Phoronix: Linus Torvalds Comments On The Russian Linux Maintainers Being Delisted

For USSR being the victor in WW2. Why these Finnish "russian death camps" not in most of history textbooks?

Most history textbooks barely mention Finland at all. They will often not even tell you they were Axis-aligned. You have to read historians writing specifically about this topic. No lazy bones.

Also it's not unreasonable to hate the aggressor.

Like I said, this does not excuse allying with Nazis. I am not arguing about whether everyday Finns might have had animosity towards Russia for a few years. I am talking about being the willing Northern front for Nazi Germany, deporting Jews to camps, rounding up tons of civilians and keeping them in starvation conditions.

So even if they were building death camps to get revenge on Russkies. It's not like tribal collective punishment isn't engrained in our blood.

This was not tribal, it was a nation state and the forces were political. Lapua members were the key Nazi collaborators and they were anticommunist ideologues long before the Winter War.

Please refrain from bullshit human nature arguments to justify Nazi collaboration.

Why do you even want to defend an empire?

What on earth are you talking about?

No need for trust, it is public record

Dude I'm not endorsing his comment, I'm saying what he means with "Liberals"

You absolutely were using it in that sense.

I was not. Please do your best to participate in good faith and not make things up, let alone make them up and then repeatedly assert them based on nothing.

There is literally nowhere on planet earth where humans live in any large number where you will not find Nazis.

That is true, but also does not contradict anything I have said, nor does it excuse those who repeat their racist and chauvinist talking points.

Claiming that Ukraine is rife with it in any meaningful sense

I haven't said anything like this. That is your insertion.

Stop repeating Russian propaganda.

Please stop lying about what I have said.

Honestly, what is it with lemmy.ml and people who love Russia?

It's not me, it is you doing a poor job at wrestling with your cognitive dissonance. My mere mention of Russophobia from liberals, borrowed from Ukrainian Nazis, resulted in you inventing entire lines of thought and arguments that were not there rather than directly engaging with the facts if the matter. This is defensive behavior intended to avoid what I said and return to an arena where you feel more comfortable.

Not ironically, that arena is one where you feel comfortable being against Russia, lmao.

I'm excited for Russia seeing justice.

Just Russia? Or all countries with the same violations that outrage you? What about those with even worse? Are you excited for justice in all cases?

And a world War?

Yes.

With Russia and whose army?

A world war would involve multiple countries on both sides, dragged in by mutual ties and a recognition of which camp would have it in for them in victory. Starting am open war with Russia would drag in all nations that have sought independence and needed to build up a military to prevent being overcome by the domjnant superpower. Eventually it would drag in every major state. It is hard to say how all of the chios would fall, but the conditions under which Russia were openly targeted for destruction would immediately create alarm in China, Iran, and most of Africa. That bloc has an order of magnitude more productive capacity and manpower than the "good guys" you would have in mind.

Because theirs can't handle Ukraine on their own.

Russia could destroy and overtake UA at basically any time but is instead choosing this status quo as achieving a strategic objective, namely bleeding UA of manpower and weapons stocks. Russia has notably not used the scorched earth approach that NATO and NATO ally countries have consistently taken during their invasions, one where mass civilian destruction and terror are the main components of victory and control, where their forces fall apart the minute theyvlack air superiority. UA does not have sufficient air defenses to prevent such attacks, Russia simply chooses not to make them.

If things turn south, I have no doubt Russia would adopt the more NATO-ie "make the civilian population scream for mercy and then push them even harder" approach.

Their missiles explode on the launchpad, their submarines sink themselves, their only aircraft carrier has more Russian kills than enemy.

You might as well just write, "I am easily misled by propaganda". Since the beginning of the war, the false prospect that Ukraine could win has been essential for manufacturing consent for every ask made by Kyiv and the US government, up to and including mass deindustrialization of regions of Europe and making the EU dollar dependent again. Just follow the sources of what you read and ask what they choose to report on vs not and who pays them. It will be revealing.

Oh, you honestly think China will save them? That's absolutely adorable.

Save them from what? If China is in a world war you can kiss any semblance of normalcy in your life goodbye. You should fear these prospects, not LARP about how much you will win. These are all nuclear powers with greater industrial capacity.

That shock therapy? That was their own oligarchs looting Russia wildly, which is why corruption has destroyed the Russian military so completely.

Feel free to familiarize yourself with what shock therapy refers to in this context. No lectures from you about this if you don't know something so basic. But, in short: the oligarchs were created by this shock therapy, of mass privatization, and it was done by US policy in the region. Modern Russia is a direct consequence of US shock therapy treatment.

Russia has historically felt their only safety came from the perception by others that they were strong. That perception was utterly shattered by Ukraine, forever.

Silly little fairy tales.

There is no way this turns out that is not disastrous for Russia, but then again I guess they just call that 'history'. Personally I'm looking forward to it with anticipation.

What about a disaster in Russia makes you excited?

Not thirsty for blood, thirsty for justice, as are much of Europe that were victims of Russian imperialism under the name of 'buffer states'.

Justice is not abstract, it has a grounding in ending injustice, creating accountability, and making whole. Given that you seem, unprompted, pretty stoked for war, I don't accept your claim to not have thirst for blood.

Re: Europe being victims of imperialism, what on earth are you talking about? I assume you are referring to the Warsaw Pact but I can only guess at what comic book-esque brainworms are at work.

Now those states are stronger than them and everyone is desperately eager to watch them suffer.

So you wish suffering on the Russian people? Sounds pretty Russophobic.

I could make a fortune selling popcorn in eastern Europe.

Russian hatred? We call that 'being European'.

Ah, sounds like you hang out in ethnic supremacist spaces. It's all making sense now.

That is of course a homophobic insult

lmao what kind of zinger is that

If I'm saying this, and the founders and mainters of the Linux Kernel agree, it really seems like I'm not wrong here.

Believe or not both you and Linus Torvalds can be wrong. Shocking, I know. I don't know how you'll break the news to your loved ones.

Might be time reevaluate some stuff.

Yes, like you contradicting your entire previous comment and then continuing on like nothing happened.

Linus is just following the law, the law != doing the right thing.

Fediserve is US centric platform, nobody going to be saying fuck America.

You should be if you respect your own thoughts that you are sharing.

Really, you are tacitly aknowledging what this really is: national chauvinism and Russophobia. Liberals taking their opportunity to be racist and xenophobic without being singled out as problematic.

However, the sentiment here is pretty strong against the current situation both socio-economics wise and support for Israel...

It is below the bare minimum, it is just slightly less jingoistic than in spaces curated by monopolies and staffed with literal feds. Pro-genocide discourse is strong here, it just hides behind electoralism discourse and feigned reluctance.

I don' think this a mainstream opinion quite there yet but people getting wiser on these issues.

It won't be a mainstream opinion in US-centric spaces without political education of such people.

I meant decent part of US population did not larp ME wars in early 2000s.

It was a very small part of it, really. Liberals rewrote their histories about their support for wars of aggression against Iraq and Afghanistan. They pretend to have been against it when they were actually part of their version of the "silent majority" and rampant islamophobia. The protests rapidly ran out of steam as Americans don't even know how to fight against their state.

I think you are confused. Being against the genocide of Gaza is not a MAGA thing.

They keep bringing up how small the protests were and how they "ran out of steam" or w/e. It really shows how little they actually know about the US.

Russia is committing a genocide. By definition.

Of course it is not. By definition. Russia is conducting a conventional war and with far less indiscriminate bombing than typical Western "interventions". But it would be amazing to see your logic and then try to apply it consistently.

And invasion.

Like that of Gaza? Lebanon? Syria? Iraq? Afghanistan? Haiti? Are you consistent in your hate?

And mass rape.

There is no evidence of systemic mass rape by Russia in Ukraine.

And a huge litany of human rights abuses.

Well yes that is definitely true. But again, are you consistent in your hate? Because if the object is human rights abuses Russia is nowhere near the top.

I don't care for your whataboutism (a common soviet tactic, interesting).

Inconsistency in pursuit of chauvinism is so common that one must regularly try to reorient the confused and biased framings. If you have this much vitriol for Russia and thr people in it despite other countries doing more and worse why do you not hate those countries and everyone in them just as much? It more?

It reveals that, despite the pretenses and rhetoric, none of that really matters to you. It is just an excuse for getting to be chauvinist.