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Pete Buttigieg Thinks ‘We’re Still Underreacting to Project 2025’

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Y'ALL ARE LETTING IT HAPPEN WHILE IN CHARGE OF EVERYTHING
- "Letting"? How do you stop people from making plans?
  
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  “Put up safeguards” isn’t really actionable. What is required is that people VOTE. Democrats have been losing these elections and it’s pretty hard to enact laws when they’re out of power.
  
  Putting up safeguards is literally an action. We have them all over the place. You could put in laws or executive orders that prevent the actions of p25 from being put into place. Maybe even consider expanding the supreme court if that would help. If it's literally a threat to our democracy then it should be treated as such. The federal government stops nefarious schemes all the time, why is this any different?
  
  What do you mean VOTE? THE CURRENT PRESIDENT IS A DEMOCRAT. P25 has been out for ages and what have they done about it?? They could even give us their plan to stop it! But as it stands, yes we might win this election or even the next one, but if they don't do anything about the threat that p25 poses all it takes is one slip up and WHAM we immediately live in a dictatorship. The democrats aren't treating p25 as the very real threat that it is or else they'd be doing something about it other than using it as a guilt trip to make us vote.
  
  I would be able to let out a sigh of relief and a deep anxiety would be lifted if they could give us a plan to stop it, but as it stands all they have is keeping the dems in power which let me tell you we've already lost multiple massive multi decades long precedent while under the biden administration and not a word on how we're going to get it back. Somehow the republicans win whether they're in power or not but not for the democrats oh no we get nothing
  
  "Putting in laws" requires that Congress (Republicans aren't about to get on board here) get things passed. Things like 'expanding the court' are what really would drive Republican voters to the polls, which is why they haven't done that. The President has less power than you seem to be giving them credit for. Do you think that Biden should just go slap a pair of cuffs on Trump? Trump would win in a landslide if that happened. The Democrats have certainly been asleep at the wheel for a while, and it's going to take a long time to get P25 out of the government for sure. There are no quick fixes.
  
  You have multiple levels of government dude
  
  It would help if you could give an example of a safeguard or two that is within Biden’s power to put in place. The only actions I can think of (that couldn’t be instantly reversed by a new president) all depend on Congress, which makes them virtually impossible. But maybe there is something I am not thinking of?
  
  I see so many things like this and when push comes to shove they suggest they do things not legal like which is what we are trying to prevent. Making a precedent that the president can do things they can't is not going to help. I agree that we need to vote this shit out. Being a republican or any part of the maga/qanon/etaparty type things should guarantee loss.
  
  Cool. So what specifically could Biden do right now? More specific than just saying "safeguards" as if that's a fucking response.
  
  Throw the Toupee in prison. Make it an Presidential action to disallow felons to run for political office, since they legally cannot vote. Expand the Supreme Court and fast track term limits. Throw all of the GOP in prison; treason is a felony.
  
  And who is the one that throws him in prison, specifically? Do you know how sentencing works?
  
  I know it's not working in this case, since it hasn't happened yet.
  
  Right. So you don't understand how sentencing works. Got it.
  
  You should do (like the most basic possible) research on the US justice system.
  
  We're on the same side here. I am a trans person. If a republican gains the presidency the consequences will literally be devastating to my life and liberty. Every single day republicans are crafting and putting forward policy to make my life harder. I am not a politician, I do not craft policy, but it seems like asking for a plan from people whose jobs are to craft policy to stop the plan that is currently underway to erase my existence and gain permanent capture of the US doesn't seem like that much of an ask does it? If no such plan is crafted, then the second a republican wins the white house it's over, there's no going back and we can kiss our freedom goodbye. Please I am begging for just a shred of empathy here
  
  Please look at my comment history, I've been nothing but an ally. You've misunderstood my point.
  
  The term "safeguards" is extremely vague.
  
  Trump belongs in prison, but just declaring that "they should put him away" or whatever, isn't an actual solution. That's not how the justice system works. He hasn't been sentenced yet.
  
  My comment was one of realism. It's easy to just say, "put him in jail," but that's just simply not how it works here (and for very good reason). Hence the request for specifics.
  
  We have separation of powers for a reason. The head of the executive branch cannot (thankfully) unilaterally put their political opponents in prison.
  
  So I ask again, what specifically can the executive branch do in terms of "safeguards"? This is an honest question.
  
  What do you mean, we can't throw him in prison!? IF we had a functional justice system he would have been hung as a traitor to the United States. He tried to overthrow the government and kill the vice president. There should have been no coming back from that. This isn't just hearsay we saw it happen live. Then he sold documents to any foreign government who showed interest, which is also highly, HIGHLY illegal.
  
  If the justice system is so broken as to not penalize a man who is attempted to take down our democracy multiple times, than project 2025 is inevitable. If it not illegal to overthrow the government, than why does it matter who we elect?
  
  hung
  
  He's definitely not that.
  
  But in all seroiusness... Are you purposefully missing the point? This is how the justice system works, you don't get accused of aiding the enemy and then instantly hanged. That's not how it works. We already execute innocent people all of the time in spite of a robust appeals system.
  
  I understand that this is a pretty cut and dry case, but that doesn't mean we get to just completely bypass the rule of law and hang suspected traitors. They still need to follow the law, and that means sentencing after a guilty verdict. He has not been sentenced yet (nor was he convicted of treason).
  
  Shit moves slow, and yes there are people in this case that have been dragging their feet (such as Trump appointee Aileen Cannon), but that doesn't mean we just skip a few steps and execute people.
  
  Throw the Toupee in prison. Make it an Presidential action to disallow felons to run for political office, since they legally cannot vote. Expand the Supreme Court and fast track term limits. Throw all of the GOP in prison; treason is a felony.
  
  The problem is the Federalism. Individual States have legislatures of their own, with, AFAICT, unchecked power to pass whatever laws they want within their borders. Congress, when it works, can only pass laws that regulate commerce between States, ensure citizens can move freely between States, collect taxes from those States, and other things.
  
  But again, when a State with a conservative legislature has control, they can enact parts of Project 2025, but only within their borders. They can't force other States to follow suit unless they want SCOTUS involved.
- They aren’t in charge of Congress, who actually makes laws (i.e. the crucial one here) or the Supreme Court (maybe you noticed this at some point?)

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