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Trump Says He’ll Bring Back ‘Travel Ban’ and Will Ban Refugees From Gaza

time.com Trump Says He’ll Bring Back ‘Travel Ban’

Speaking at an event about combating antisemitism, the former President and Republican nominee said he’d also ban refugees from Gaza from entering the U.S.

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Hey, everyone who’s claiming Harris is going to be just as bad for Gaza as Trump will be: square this circle for me, would you?
- They're voting Jill Stein because Daddy Putin says vote splitting is a communist conspiracy
  
  Jill Stein sold her morals to the highest bidder like a good capitalist.
  
  Harris sold hers to AIPAC
  
  You don't care about palestinians.
  
  Shut up.
  
  Cornell West 2024!
- The people who claim that are campaigning for trump.
  
  Some because they like him. Some because they are accelerationist motherfuckers that want to see the world burn. Some because they are useful idiots.
  
  But they are all spreading lies in service of Trump.
- Well actually several Dem congressmen vote for stuff we don't like therefore all Dems are as bad as Repubs and therefore they are worse than Repubs.
  
  My sources are lemmy.ml and hexbear.
  
  It's black and white thinking and it's stupid. There's zero nuance to it.
- That would require them being capable of critical thinking, and anyone willing to vote third party clearly lacks in that department.
  
  I live in a state where my vote literally doesn't matter. Think about that, genius.
  
  Cool. Not everyone does and advocating protest voting can have an effect outside that of your individual vote. Your move, genius.
  
  Critical thinking would lead you to vote third party.
  
  What they lack is a specific piece of electoral information about first past the post voting: https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo
  
  Combine the understanding that america--deeply unfortunately--uses first past the post voting with critical thinking, and it's obvious third parties are, for now, a waste.
  
  But if you wrongly accuse them of not having critical thinking skills, they'll use their critical thinking skills, which they have, to assume that you are not a good source of information, even though you're encouraging them in the right direction.
  
  No. Critical thinking skills preclude even entertaining the notion of voting third party, because critical thinking skills would lead one to comprehend how FPTP and the EC work, and realize the all-but-guaranteed mathematical impossibility of electing a third party president.
  
  Anyone who proudly proclaims to vote third party is one of the following, without exception:
  
  an uninformed idealist, aka a useful idiot
  
  a bad actor
  
  an entitled jackass with zero disregard for the effects of their actions
  
  In any of these cases, I wouldn’t trust these people with a butter knife let alone a ballot. But that’s not my call, so I call them out for what they are.
  
  E: forgot a word
  
  In my experience it's usually number 3. They're not at risk under a Trump administration (or so they think) so their hands are clean, no matter how damaging their actions are. Throwing Gazans, Ukrainians, LGBTQ, women, minorities, etc under the bus while claiming a moral victory for "punishing the Democrats". And no amount of explaining this to them will make them realize this, because they just bury their heads in the sand, call you a genocide lover, and start blabbering about "Blue MAGA" or whatever is the new buzzword of the week.
  
  Yeah, like I said, critical thinking is in short supply for that crowd.
  
  That seems like a very roundabout way to say that in the present in the US, critical thinking leads you to not vote third party.
  
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  Sure, but we all give them that specific piece of electoral information in nearly every thread.
  
  your video reaches the wrong conclusion. values voting is the only way to stop party consolidation. the problem is strategic voting.
- Last time I checked on those people they claimed Trump would be completely pro Palestinian and everyone who didn’t see this true true was stupid. Didn’t know they jumped right to jUsT As BaD.
  
  Yeah, their newest cope is to say the Democrats are equally as bad as the Republicans, despite that being so blatantly false to anyone who has been paying attention for the past 8 years. They're in for a very rude surprise when their plan to "push the Dems left" results in Trump obliterating Gaza and enacting Project 2025 and pushing the country even further right than it is now. And there won't be another election for the Dems to court Left voters for.
  
  No one claimed Trump would be better for Palestine, we've said Harris and Biden is as bad as Trump would be.
  
  Ohh, well here is a perfect example of him being worse.
  
  Biden/Harris still "just as bad?"
  
  Right now there is effectively a ban on Palestinians.
  
  In NO sane world is a ban worse then actual genocide
  
  So it's your honest belief that Trump will just literally, not "defacto," ban Palestinian refugees and go no further?
  
  The man who said he would illegally exile American Palestinian supporters? The man whose only comment directly on the genocide is that Israel needs to "finish the problem?"
  
  You think the half cocked, more extreme person who has already called for more brutality to Palestine and Americans who support Palenstine, who is clearly playing politics by not stating his exact concept of a plan for Palestine, is the better answer here?
  
  They saw the rhetoric against Haitians in Ohio and were delighted. There's no point in attempting to reason with them, unless it is fun.
  
  There are only three kinds of lemmy.ml denizens. The first are MAGA and want Donald to start pogroms in the US. The second are "leftists" who love state capitalism like China or straight-up oligarchical kleptocracy Russia, they want the US to fail so China-style authoritarianism can spread. The third signed up for the wrong instance and will eventually leave when they find out the admins are deathly frightened of facts.
  
  They're both going to be shit to Palestine because they're both owned by Zionists. And with an amount of money and weapons that the US is providing to Netanyahu, they are allowing him to finish the problem.
  
  no one is saying trump is better
  
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  Yes they are. Every single thing that Trump will do to these brutalized people is always minimized, ignored or "both sized" in these threads.
  
  Every example of his brutality is hand waved away to somehow say that "nuh uh, he can't be worse because then I would have to make a pragmatic choice."
  
  I mean for fuck sake. He just literally a week ago claimed against all evidence that legal Haitian immigrants were eating American cats and dogs in front of the whole fucking nation, and we are still playing this very stupid game? People want to pretend this evil, racist, vindictive fuck is somehow the right option and still want to argue about this?
  
  By saying Biden is "as bad" they're effectively saying "Trump is better than IRL Trump" which is an objectively false position. Its effectively a campaign to whitewash Trump's clearly awful positions.
  
  Its not hard to say "Biden is bad and Trump is worse for Palestine"
  
  Trump told donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests, deport demonstrators
  
  So we should completely ignore what's going on by something that he has said. If we're holding people accountable by what they've said, should we not also be holding Harris accountable by saying that she once supported livable wages and universal health care?
  
  If we're holding people accountable by what they've said, should we not also be holding Harris accountable by saying that she once supported livable wages and universal health care?
  
  Yes, now you're starting to get it. People, especially politicians, should be held accountable to their words.
  
  And no one does, if they were held accountable people like Biden and Trump would have never been considered as viable candidates. Biden in 1988 was a prime example, he was held accountable for his lies. If people were held accountable no one would consider Harris based on her past.
  
  So hold no one accountable and don't try to model future behaviors based on past actions and statements? I guess it's better to grab performative notes from Twitter.
  
  At the end of the day, the likelihood of survival for any given Palestinian drops dramatically with trump as president as compared to Harris. Does this mean Harris is doing everything or will do everything she should? Absolutely not. But if you actually give a shit about people's lives, then, yes, strategic voting, particularly in this case, is necessary mitigating action. Or maybe you don't actually care about humans living or dying and are, like I said, just engaging in social media fueled performative bullshit to justify apathy and laziness.
  
  I am voting strategically, against both shades of fascism. Continuing to reward bad behavior by electing them creates worse behavior. Republicans have gone from Nixon, who even Obama said was to the left of him, to total garbage like Trump because Republicans wouldn't hold their politicians accountable. Democrats have gone from someone like Carter to someone denying there is a genocide happening in the ME because they wouldn't hold their politicians accountable.
  
  How are you holding them accountable when one of them is still going to be in power? You're just sacrificing one of the few concrete mechanisms you have to actually make things better. Yeah, a Harris victory doesn't mean immediate victory in the fight against this atrocity, but a Trump election does mean defeat.
  
  This is a blatant lie.
  
  I mean it does look a lot like Trump will not only aid Israel genocide of gaza but will join in on the murder. Maybe the time for false equivocation is over ?
  
  You mean exactly like what's going on right now? They are both owned by AIPAC and will do what AIPAC wants.
  
  Israeli settlers are naming an illegal settlement after Trump in the Golan Heights after his administration recognized them as part of Israel. Why would Israeli settlers, Netanyahu and the larger Israeli ethnostate project all be supporting Trump if he's exactly the same as Joe Biden?
- Yeah, well some people draw the line at voting for genocide you heartless monster!!!!
  
  There is no logic. Best case scenario? They are a stupid and emotional child who is doing nothing for the Palestinian people. More likely? They just want to feel morally superior while justifying their own lack of critical thought. And a few are just straight up tankies trying to destabilize The West in the name of china and russia.
  
  Removed, civility.
  
  Gotta protect the children
- They were never serious
- The people employing bad arguments and/or who just turned 14 are not likely to be able to do that.
  
  Yeah they’re probably still learning their basic geometry
  
  Clearly none were paying attention in Civics class.
  
  They didn't pledge enough allegiance to the flag. Didn't bootlick enough cops to support one for president.
- Basically his ideas are automatically the good ideas, and since Harris isn't gonna do the exact same thing as him that means she'll be bad. Same logic in saying she'll be bad for Israel, the southern border, etc.
- Yes, genocide with a smile is super awesome. Much better. \s
- Refugees from gaza are not currently accepted by the us, smart one.
  
  They have no response to this, because it's completely factual and they're more concerned with Trump's rhetoric than Biden's actions.
- Sure! The Muslim ban will be defeated in court again, and the Biden administration will not accept refugees from Gaza in any real number regardless.
- Exactly. Meanwhile privileged ass college kids talking about voting for this guy because Biden wasn't being a baby. Fucking idiots.
  
  Wat
- Harris is happy to keep killing them over there so they don't come over here
  
  Check the latest from the Biden admin: https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0c608e65-1a84-4707-8124-06620a4c567c.png?thumbnail=1500&format=webp
  
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  Really? You can't bother to look up these completely true facts? Would rather call it a nazi conspiracy? That's how this pipeline works: smug liberalism -> willful ignorance -> complicit with genocide.
  
  Who's upvoting this trash?
  
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  Lol none of that is true. Prem Thakker isn't a Nazi 😆
  
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  Nah I'm good. Why don't you do us all a favor and fuck off?
  
  For what? Bursting your positive vibes with reality?
  
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