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Had to go looking, but I found the image this comment is in reaction to.
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It's a cartoon from "Liberation" newspaper in france, and the caption is "Ramadan in Gaza" (published just after the hunanitarian aid blockade and famine crisis started in Gaza, for which Israel is now being accused as an act of genocide)
The woman in a hijab is slapping the hand of an emaciated Gazan chasing after a rat, presumably to catch and eat it, and saying "Not before sunset"
It's a pretty openly Islamophobic joke about Gazan's starving during the month of Ramadan where muslims traditionally fast from sunrise to sunset.
I don't think it should need to be said, but even orthodox Muslims recognize exceptions to fasting during ramadan for starvation and bodily injury.
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I see it as a joke on how religious fundamentalists would rather condemn their children to die over their own religious choices (which includes waging religious wars)
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Religion is all these people have left. Can't condemn them for their last semblance of hope in a hostile environment. Nor can you place sole blame on religion for the conflict. It's a lot deeper than that
(They are allowed to eat during Ramadan. that is if Egypt and Israel didn't withhold international aid, such as flour)
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I'd suggest they find something better than religion to put their hope in.
Claiming this conflict isn't about religion is like claiming the US civil war wasn't about slavery. In the end it's jews that wanted the territory to be jewish, and muslims that wanted the territory to remain muslim. If judaism and islam hadn't existed, all of the 'deeper' reasons and divisions just fall away.
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I think you can argue that for every single conflict in history
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WW1; WW2; Korea; Vietnam; the Gulf Wars; Russian revolution; French revolution; US revolution; US civil war; ...
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Claiming this conflict isn’t about religion is like claiming the US civil war wasn’t about slavery.
Err, I actually kinda like this comparison to the civil war - not because the war in Gaza is 'about religion' - but because it's about Israel's right to occupy/subjugate Palestinian territories and Palestinians within the West Bank and Gaza, which is similar to the South fighting over their right to own/subjugate people of color (though not entirely, since Israel doesn't claim racial superiority (at least not explicitly)).
What's strange about this comparison is that it inadvertently casts Israel as the slavers, even though it seems like the intent is to indict both Judaism and Islam equally
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Religious fundamentalists do not encourage or instruct fasting during an ongoing famine (not even Islamic ones).
Thinking that they do (and laughing about it) while they starve at the hands of their colonial occupier is honest-to-god nazi-level genocide apologia.
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You'd be hard pressed to find a cartoonist more fond of mocking neo-nazi's than the one who drew this
It's mocking adults who'd prefer to die for their religion for condemning their kids (and their kids) to do the same. If you believe they're starving their kids directly then this newspaper is too difficult for you
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If you believe they’re starving their kids directly then this newspaper is too difficult for you
Of course they're not suggesting they're 'starving their kids directly', but what they are doing is sidelining the colonial power actually responsible for their starvation and instead holding up an inaccurate and bigoted portrayal of their religious practices as a stand-in for Israel's culpability.
To blame Muslims for Israel's sustained genocidal bombardment of innocent Gazans is a level of depraved racist bigotry I honestly never thought I'd witness in my time. The Nazis blamed the Jews for their own extermination, and that is precisely what you are doing here.
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Don't call others Nazis. Not allowed.
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What about when they're actually a Nazi?
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What makes you think they're a nazi?
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I don't, but you stated that like it's an absolute community rule.
Do we need to report suspicious antisocial behavior to the commissars or can we say someone saying actual Nazi things is a Nazi?
Does "don't be a dick" still apply to justified accusations based on evidence, in other words?
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Point to where I called him a Nazi and I'll disavow communism and join the IOF.
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why disavow communism?
The Nazis blamed the Jews for their own extermination, and that is precisely what you are doing here.
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That Nazis did blame the Jews for their own extermination, and that is what that person was doing.
Nowhere did I say that he was a Nazi.
Close, but thanks for following directions.
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That Nazis did blame the Jews for their own extermination, and that is what that person was doing.
lol
'I didn't call him a nazi! I said that he's being a nazi! completely different.'
@nonailsleft@lemm.ee, do you feel as if he called you a nazi?
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Lmao I didn't even say he was being a nazi, I said he was using the same rhetoric the Nazis used
He could think I called him a platypus, that wouldn't make it accurate.
edit: conspicuously absent is your opinion on if what he was doing was blaming the Palestinian Genocide on their Islamic beliefs, and if (to your recollection) the Nazis also blamed the Jews for their own genocide. Fair if you don't think so, but you've so far avoided elaborating on your opinion on Islam.
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I don't think it should need to be said, but even orthodox Muslims recognize exceptions to fasting during ramadan for starvation and bodily injury.
Pretty sure that's the joke. It'd be real absurd if a cartoon acted otherwise.
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The joke only works if the reader holds the Islamophobic view that Palestinians were starving because their faith forbids them from eating, and not because Israel was starving them by blockading humanitarian aid.
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Nah, that's the commentary. If "starving because of religion" is a silly fabrication, what's the reality?
Israel was starving them by blockading humanitarian aid.
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Israel wants them dead or gone so they can have their land.
Religion is what they use justify their lack of humanity, but its simple greed and depravity that motivates them to abandon it.
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Exaclty, it's not a complicated cartoon
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Strange way to evoke Israel's motivation to starve Gazans by pointing to the religion of the victims.
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True! The absurd misdirect almost makes the joke clever, in an underwhelming kind of way. Bit of a groaner really
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