I'm not worried you're worried

Jesus Christ. Locking down this massive shit show.

I'm not just worried, I am frightened and have nowhere to turn.

It's OK, you're not alone in that fear.
- I voted against him. Was my vote illegal? Am I going to jail?

Hope the price of eggs was worth sacrificing all your civil liberties America

You deserve everything you're going to fucking get. That includes the women and Latinos that voted for him. Your faces will be eaten eventually and you will get zero sympathy from me.

The amount of interviews I’ve seen where people say “yeah, he has some concerning talking points, but he promised a good economy” boil my fucking blood. The safety of half the population for the empty promise of jobs.

Can’t wait til they somehow spin the failed economy against the Dems again in four years.
- I have an idea! Let's put the guy whose policies partly contributed to our current economic state back in charge of everything. He'll definitely fix it this time.
- We're truly and utterly fucked.....
Please don't forget that neatly half of the country realizes he's insane and is terrified. Not everyone deserves this. Tens of millions of us out there don't want this.
I hate this as a Canadian cause it's gonna mess with our economy. But it will also stoke more support for the current conservative dickbag running to be prime minister. Also I don't want more Americans moving here.
- This is going to have a chilling effect on democracy, and an energizing effect on fascism, worldwide. The movement to try to limit climate change is now dead and buried, worldwide. There is no part of the world that is safe from the effects of this.
- Also I don't want more Americans moving here.
  
  I have a sad feeling the rest of the world feels the same way.
  
  I'm at the point where I want to leave these borders. I want to go somewhere relatively quiet and developed that has worker's rights and isn't some major turbulent player in the game of global domination.
  
  I'd respect my new home and integrate and do my best to get along with my new neighbors.
  
  But I'm pretty sure we're stuck here to endure this madness.
  
  The rich have already departed though. So you'll probably end up with less humble American refugees and more pompous real-estate moguls. And for that, I'm sorry.
I will be shocked if the cost of living comes down at a notable rate when compared to other developed countries.

Conservatives have never been better at managing the economy, yet people believe they are, for some reason ¯_(ツ)_/¯
- Are you surprised that most people are just dumb as bricks?
I heard a lot of commentary about the price of eggs tonight. I live in San Diego, America's most expensive city. I've seen at some major chains a dozen eggs in the $6 - $9 range. Most stores I've seen them around $4 or $5 bucks a dozen. I also purchased a dozen yesterday for $2.79, and that was through Doordash even. So like, I call bullshit. Americans are dumb and too lazy to shop around. The gas station closest my house is $5.80 according to Google just now, but I filled up last night about 5 miles away with cash for $3.99. So infuriating that lack of effort or stupidity is likely what drove Trump back into office.
Yeah the thing is the average trump supporter will be hurt less than everyone else (and that's the whole point)
- Oh, no. They will be hurt the same as everyone else but The Donald will just tell them that it's the Democrats/immigrants/gay people's/critical race theory's fault and they will believe him because having someone else to blame for their problems is a lot easier than fixing their problems.
- Hahahaha no they fucking won't .. they're just too goddamn gullible to blame spurious sources, like liberal policies that are fucking them with taxes....not the trillions of tax gifts given to the billionaires the fucking moron represents.
  
  The supporters will continue to be ignorant, stupid and blame all of their problems on liberals, instead of the 1% absolutely raking their ignorant asses over the coals
  
  We're fucked, the supporters are fucked too but they're too stupid to know the leopards will eat their face too.
- We all know that's not true. He hates his supporters. He just didn't realize the first time through that they were trashy and ::gasp:: poor.

About 6 2 million fewer votes for Trump than last election, which is good, but it doesn't matter since there are 18 14 million fewer votes for Harris than for Biden last election! Wher were those 18 14 million people? It can't be that all of them are in the "I don't vote for genocide" camp. What happened?

It's never been clearer that not voting gives the election to the Republicans.

Edit: Updated the numbers as more votes were counted, but the point stands.

It’s very strange to me that turnout is lower, purely because when I went out to vote there was a line goin out the building, which I have never seen before in my area
Maybe sexism and racism are not isolated to the right wing, possibly a lot more in the centre than assumed. Maybe just enough in certain demos to affect turnout.
- It's weird because I even noticed this among liberals. The presidential candidates are always referred to by last name. But both times a woman tried to run, people referred to her as her first name whether you are conservative or liberal or what have you. I have found it a bit disrespectful tbh, and all sides have been guilty of this. The US will never elect a female president, let alone a female president of color. It's bizarre.
Not all have been counted yet
- They just called Wisconsin for Trump which puts him over 270.
If Biden hadn't insisted on running despite his declining mental state, she wouldn't have won a primary, not very likely anyway. She is uninspiring and she carries the baggage of the struggling/non-existent middle class, housing market, 12 million border crossings etc.
I don't know what the final turnout figures will be, but if it is a lower turnout, I can think of a few:

2020 was the easiest year to mail in a ballot ever, and it got harder again as states reinstated various difficulties with mail in ballots.

So many people didn't have to go into work in 2020, they had more flexibility to vote however they needed to do it.
The honest truth is that the Harris/Walz campaign did not motivate their voter base. People were talking about doing fucking vote swaps with people in swing states because they didn't want to vote for Harris.

I have no idea what the fuck the whole "courting the right" angle was, but it failed. Maybe it was the stance on Gaza, maybe it was the stance on immigration, maybe it was just feeling spurned by the party for caring about alot of issues like trans rights Harris left to the wayside while campaigning, but it didn't motivate people to cut through the bullshit and go to the polls.

Meanwhile, Trump stayed in the news 24/7, constantly doubling down on his rhetoric, and his voters mostly all turned out again.
It's not just the "I don't vote for genocide" camp; there's also the "can't this fucker at least campaign properly" camp and the "I'm not voting for this right wing nonsense" camp, among others. Harris was just that bad at this.
- So you're saying people decided to avoid voting for right wing nonsense, and let Donald "Dictator on Day One" Trump win instead?
Ƿ did it Pætcrik! Ƿ ſeıvd Pælistuın!

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We did it Patrick! We saved Palestine!

Uı æm roıld ƿið ðoz pıpėl, b u̇nfoṙtcunetlı, Ðı aṙ tu ſmal ė kėntindjint t hold riſpȯnſibilitı ðiſ tuım.

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I am roiled with these people, but unfortunately they are too small a continent to hold responsibility this time.
- I have no idea what you are saying, I can't read this.
- Based thorns
- The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine explicitly called to boycott both candidates.
  
  "Oh no, 18 million people stopped voting the Dems! Surely it's the voter's fault, not democrats being genocidal ghouls who can't offer a shred of progressiveness!"

When Trump was first elected, it made me realize how stupid most of the US is. The results of this election were not surprising, I even linked to the sort of self-serving articles that preceded just before Hillary-Trump's elections to people who were doing the same in this election. At least in this election, it's sort of like Israel, they are leaving no doubt about who they support. I don't even care if Kamala gets the popular vote, most criticize the electoral college word only and refuse to consider gerrymandering as electoral fraud, leading to it occurring in greater and newer ways this election.

Why are americans so stupid and yet manage to export so much smart stuff from tech to podcasts to scientists. Is it some sort of dystopia where 1% rules, 20% live in a bubble and 79% are just brain dead idiots?
- 1-America imports smart people from all over the world.
  
  2-Technical smarts and don't-vote-for-fascism smarts are different.
- Why do people from Europe go and build monuments and luxury in Saudi Arabia?
  
  Money. Same answer in the US.
  
  The US is an oligarchy, as attested to by this Oxford study. To answer your question, mostly yes, hence places like "Silicon Valley" and institutions like the electoral college.
- Yes.
  
  Then there's us smart ones who see what's going on, but we're outnumbered by idiots.
- I fear you may have hit the nail on the head
- Silicon Valley is full of programmer bros who voted for Trump. Same with Wall Street, probably all finance bros voted for Trump. They are just selfish and want a lower tax bill. Just because they are an expert in their field doesn’t mean they have empathy.
Gerrymandering is clearly electoral fraud, but

it’s not black and white. There’s no clear line between fraud and good

the people benefiting the fraud are the ones in control of it

gerrymandering does not affect presidential or senate elections

I am fucking gutted, I am so sad and angry and I don’t know what to do. I am overall a happy and positive person and believe in humanity but this win feels like it’s stripping me of a piece of that and I hate that! I hate that I feel so much hate right now, it’s exactly what I preach against, yet here I am. I can’t believe this is happening

Ikr... I don't even own a car, I walk to work, take the MRT everywhere etc. and the Americans are electing a president who says "Drill baby, drill". I'm not an American, but it will affect us all... I live in Taiwan now and I'm fucking afraid of what his presidency will do to the geopolitical balance with China.
- While I have no idea how to handle China’s ever bigger presence on the world stage, I know the spiteful antagonism is not it.
That's how I felt here in the UK when I woke up to see the majority voted for Brexit. Before that I thought people can't be that dumb. Apparently they can.
I feel as you. I wanted to believe we're better than this.
I m an atheist but I pray for you , it will be only 4 years , hope you stay safe.
- Thank you, I really appreciate that. I’m essentially an atheist too (I don’t even give it a label for myself because god and religion are just not a part of my life, and I don’t need them to be). And yet somehow I feel I have exponentially more compassion and value of morality than a large swath of these people voting in a monster, acting under the guise of being “good Christians”. Maybe I’m delusional, maybe I’m the one missing something, I don’t know. I still believe in humanity, but man I’m just sad right now. Anywho, I’ll take all the prayers and positive energy for everyone that I can get right now, so thank you

Fuck. I hope Canada has some open slots for immigrants.

Canada has an increasing anti immigrant sentiment right now. They've announced big cut backs to the number of immigrants allowed. Furthermore, moving to another country is difficult and expensive. It's not a realistic option for most people.
- Tbh most of the ire aimed at immigrants here is specifically targeted to either Indian or Ukrainian migrants. Infrastructure is genuinely buckling under the weight of migration but it's a case of too little investment and not entirely the result of immigration.
  
  I can say as a white, western immigrant to Canada that I've never had anyone complain about my immigration however I've had locals complain about immigration to me forgetting that I am indeed one of the immies.
I'll marry one of ya's
From what I can gather, Canada seems to be following the same trend as the US just shifted back a few years
Seconded
Until a trumper does something fucked up and the border gets closed off.
Sucks here but welcome
Ok just hurry up and get your citizenship so you can help us vote against the guy who's trying to be like Trump, thnx.
Their country has a severe housing crisis.
Canada will soon be electing a conservative government.
Fuck off. Stay out of our country, you people have done enough damage to us.

Downvote me all you want, idgaf, you made your bed, now lie in it you fucking cunts. You collectively let trump win now deal with the consequences you stupid fucks. Fuck america, you cunts are gonna be the downfall of us all.
- Kinda douchey to be a dick towards those who fought against it, don’t you think?
- I n voted for Harris but agree with you. We need to stay and clean up our mess. Because were are we going run to. America doesn't just affect America but whole world. We need to fight not run.
- Fellow Canadian here and I don't like being overly harsh with my criticisms ...... but I'm with you on this.
- I'm in that country and can't disagree. I was just paraphrasing the line from the Joker movie to a friend of mine,"We're going to get exactly what we deserve."
- You should build a big wall and make them pay for it!
- The people fleeing it are exactly the people you'd want to see.
  
  Actually, given the senseless over-generalization, you might prefer seeing your spiritual brothers, the republicans.
- Permanently Deleted

Looking at the bright side:

-no more vaccines (never liked needles anyway) -no more fluoride in the water (who likes nice teeth anyway, plus you can get fakes installed) -never need to vote for president again (think about how much time that'll save) -no jan 6th revolt in 2025 (maybe they will just for fun though, who knows) -perhaps Trump can fill the remaining seats of the supreme court and get a properly conservative suite of justices -Elon Musk will be our super-cool tech daddy

No more environment (hate the outside anyway)

No more Ukraine (the weather in Kyiv sucks and I have a gluten allergy who needs grain anyway)

More refugees into Europe (yeah Europe is totally prepared for that and won’t cause more fascists to win European elections)
- Yeah fascists in Europe turned out great the last time
- No more environment
  
  That won't be a problem. America will simply be towed outside the environment.

I think that one guy with the folder "Memes if Donald Trump wins" is gonna have to bust them out.

Trump is not going to create a better economy. We're gonna go into a recession and he's going to blame it on democrats and COVID restrictions.

He's going to increase immigration, lower wages due to cheap labor, and cause wages to go down. He said this and the retards that live in rural America think he's going to benefit them. He's going to reduce the power of Unions.

It's clown world.

It it bad that I think that's a best case scenario? Things aren't looking good.
- We’re going back to child labor in factories and brood mares barefoot and pregnant. Trans and brown folks are going to have a real bad time. I’m a white dude and even I’m afraid of what’s going to happen
Clown country
Yet what they’ll remember is the stock market skyrocketed

As if the world hasn't collectively had its head up it's ass recently...

More than anything I’m depressed by the precedent that this sets for the world on attitude and actions. He literally attacked and abused his way to the top. And a majority of Americans support it. Holy fuck.

This has gotta be fraud, there's just no way America would choose a convicted felon over a woman... right?

There’s no way any number of women would choose someone promising to curtail their medical rights.

There’s no way any non-white would choose someone so racist

There’s no way any immigrant would choose someone scapegoating their culture and promising to deport them even if they are citizens

There’s no way anyone who has listened to his speeches would choose a gibberish idiot

There’s no way anyone who witnessed the mess last time around would want to repeat it

There’s no way anyone who older person would choose a known real estate grifter

There’s no way a parent would choose anyone threatening their child’s future

I’m sure we could go on, but I just read an article that Trump did better than expected with every demographic except college educated women. How ?

There's no such thing as an undecided voter.

They've either decided, or decided to do something bad and don't want you to judge them.

Yep, we did it. We are Homer Simpson. D’Oh

They've done it before and they'll fucking do it again.
All these young new potential voters! A fresh wave of idiot!

We deserve a nuke.

0 empathy for americans. You deserve what you get for either not voting or voting the baffoon. Even dems deserve it for stupidly changing the candidate and AGAIN acting like they already won everywhere which makes people think "oh then I dont have to vote"

My desperation is not foremost about sympathy for the US, but for the consequences for international politics.
This is certainly an enormous turning point for America, but it's also a very dark day for the outlook of the future of... well basically everything.

The continuation of our species on this earth are facing problems that are more complex than can be put into a slogan or a headline, and both Trump and his voters are to dumb to understand such matters. And that's not said in hate or anger, it's just an observable, testable fact that they're literally unintelligent.
- Yeah its terrible for everyone else. Especially Ukrainians, Taiwanese and Palestinians. Though the last group I feel less empathy for now since they called for not voting either so they are as responsible as Trump supporters.
i dont think swapping biden out was a bad move. i think it could have been someone better though
How about all of us who aren't members of either party and just tried to stop Trump from getting into office? Zero sympathy for us too? Because I had nothing to do with any candidate that the Democrats chose. I just voted for Harris to stop Trump. And failed. But how is it my fault?
Unfortunately my country loves to copy America in everything they do so we will be walking off the cliff soon too
- Mine also has fascists getting 20-30% a lot of places. But we have more safeguards
I voted but I will still have to endure four more years of stupid self serving idiot.
- I’m most afraid of all the hangers on plotting how best to expand their agenda. At least his first term had the incompetence to prevent some of his worst ideas but that may not be true this time.
  
  My biggest fear is for the environment. Only the EPA and California are allowed to set environmental standards and the rest of us can only pick which to follow. Hopefully my state politicians will remain steadfast, but I have no way of supporting California when they come for the environment. If California can hold and the dozen or so that follow that remain true, maybe there’s still a hope for the environment my kids will live in
you all need to learn to distinguish between the people/the government/the country

Ah shit. c/all is full of US election stuff now. Give me a break, just tell me the result in january.

The world: literally doesn't care

Shouldn't have supported the genocide of Palestinians, huh?

@lemmy.ml was all I needed to know.
- Bit of a tangent, but this pains me every time I read this in threads.
  
  I wanted to join Lemmy after the Reddit exodus, found out that ml was "the main one" made by the devs and joined it. Last time I carefully tried to pick an instance was Mastodon, and I hardly ever found any content. Decided to check back in the other day, and every account except for the admin's (like less than 50) was removed for inactivity.
  
  I'm not some far-right or Russian troll, but because most of them are on that instance everyone on it gets this reputation.
  
  Signed, European who's afraid that the far-right movement on his continent will turn into an ultra-far-right turbo-movement now
- If your "gotcha" is that your enemies are against genocide you should do some introspection
can you actually shut the fuck up right now. women and minorities have there lives on the line and all y'all can talk about is this. if kamala wins we can protest her stance. if trump wins and we protest his stance he's already said he'll deploy the national guard. y'all are so smug about ruining your chances of helping these people
- Maybe you shouldn't have supported genocide.
  
  Never again means never again for anyone. Remember what you sold your soul for and try to redeem it.
If you honestly believe the situation in Palestine will be better with the Cheeto in charge of the US, then you are insane.

The US is a deeply flawed democracy, and like it or not, any choice other than voting for the Democrats, including abstaining is a vote for the Cheeto.

But you are a .ml user, so you are either trolling or a useful idiot.
- Oh look, the very-serious Cheetoh dialog has arrived.
  
  Focus on self-reflection and redeeming yourself for accepting genocide. Go do some work in your community and for humanity.
Haha, yeah that'll show em!

Now instead of having a president that supports the genocide of Palestinians you'll have... checks notes .... a president that supports the genocide of Palestinians. Wait there's more here.... doesn't believe in climate change, a guy who actively wants to prove that vaccines don't work actually in charge of health related shit, enabling the genocide of Ukraine (hey a whole new genocide!), pulling out of alliances and what's this last fun one, threatening the already flawed foundations of US democracy by, among other things, threatening to deploy the military against political opponents.

Is that what winning and being morally superior looks like? Because it looks pretty awful from here.
- Now instead of having a president that supports the genocide of Palestinians you’ll have… checks notes … a president that supports the genocide of Palestinians.
  
  Yeah maybe you should have demanded better instead of tolerating genocide. Your camp lost. I know I didn't tolerate it.
Oh man, if you think it was bad under Biden...
- Oh, man. If you were happy with the genocide under Biden...
- It will be the same but liberals will be less asleep during atrocities.
Don’t you worry now, Trump will make sure that the suffering of the Palestinian people will end quickly
Please say:

The Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989 happend.
I guess we'll get to find out if there is such a thing as "worse genocide"
- Not in terms of American support, you won't. Biden is already the maximum.
Seriously? Fuck you. This supports the genocide of every LGBTQ+ person in all of North America, be it directly or indirectly. No one wants what is happening in Gaza. But, I have to say the potential genocide (in the complete erasure of culture as well as open murders with little to no consequences sense) here is even higher.

I have the unfortunate circumstance of being a trans woman in GA. I already have had to completely shut off most contact with people, both work and personal.

I've already had rocks thrown at me in an attempt to kill me (this was years ago, even). I already feel like I have to carry a gun. If things go the way they seem, I will even have to order in groceries because it will further empower the people that hate my existence.

The foreign policy is shit, no question. However, I don't like the possibility of being raped and murdered by some asshole that thinks he understands Co² emissions after watching some video.

I have a lot to say here, especially as a very blue collar machinist. I will refrain, though.

In conclusion: by "avoiding" the genocide in Gaza (which may have been resolved), you have also doomed people like me to maybe live in fear for the rest of our lives.
You're sitting in a throne made of shit, and you're feeling right at home.
No this only proves the misogyny ingrained in the US. We will never allow a woman to be president.
- Honestly I'm wondering if that's why the margin Trump is winning is so "huge". The US will never vote for a woman president. Both times Trump has gone up against a woman, he's won. But against a man, he lost.
- This proves that you need to at least pander to the left to win, i.e. the only consistently anti-genocide group in the country. Maybe you should join them instead of tolerating genocide.
Geez if you wanna get blocked so bad just say so.
They're still gonna die under trump though, i don't get your point