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In my experience people who are against more Ukraine aid think that the dollar amount we send is actual cash that can be spent in other places, rather than pallets of munitions that don't keep forever anyway.
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And a part of that is old stuff that would be decommissioned so the cash is to make the new products. Or so I have understood it.
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nah that's right. we've sent ukraine a shit ton of basically decommissioned shit. and even then we've been weirdly stingy, and unresponsive to their non military aid requests (their biggest ask is glass)
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Uhh.. why glass?
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Probably on account of every window in every city being broken by shockwaves from bombardments
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also ukrainian winters are notably brutal
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Wouldn't plexiglass be a better thing to ask for during war time in that case?
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I am guessing that outside of the frontlines bombings are still fairly rare events. Risk is low enough for installing proper windows, but high enough to ensure there are not enough.
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Seems weird to ask the US for glass when they can get it from a lot closer, assuming we're just talking about normal glass.
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they've been asking literally all their allies for glass. it's been a constant struggle for them to get aid, especially as the western countries they used to rely on shifted focus to helping Israel
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And we're also saving a bunch on disposal costs for the old stuff.
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It’s literal economic stimulus, US sends them old shit, and buys new and more expensive shit from local military suppliers. This is the “creating jobs” thing the right likes so much, except when it’s against Russian interests
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Yes, but it is really inefficient. If we simply ignore the nuke threat it would probably take the US a month of bombing to restore pre 2014 borders.
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Even for new weapons and ammo it is usually just spending on the local weapons manufacturers so basically just supporting your own economy.
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Good point. Chuck Norris-style thumbs up.
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This is the most obscene attempt to understate the US’s involvement in the war in Ukraine I’ve ever seen.
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Da comrade, USA always fault. Very fault.
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Not always, but it’s the fault of the USA far more than it should be. Like a pants shittingly stupid amount of the time. Almost as pants shittingly stupid as Americans who pretend that isn’t the case.
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It's USA's fault Russia annexed Crimea? and now attempting to annex more?
How's that?
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sponsoring a coup d'etat that threatens the russian Black Sea Fleet's command center. but you know that.
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Got any evidence... Of said sponsored elements involved in coup
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The Department of TrustMeBro is immune to FOIA and rarely releases documents.
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Yeah, the Ukrainian people threw out Yanukovych multiple times for being a Russian puppet.
Yanukovych argued in favour of economic modernisation, increased spending and, initially, continuing trade negotiations with the EU. He pledged to remain non-aligned in defence policy. However, his years in power saw what analysts described as democratic backsliding,[10] which included the jailing of Tymoshenko, a decline in press freedom[11] and an increase in cronyism and corruption.[12] In November 2013, Yanukovych made a sudden decision, amidst economic pressure from Russia,[13] to withdraw from signing an association agreement with the EU and instead accept a Russian trade deal and loan bailout. This sparked mass protests against him that ultimately led to his ousting as president.
How or where is the US involved in this? and why would they care?
Or you know Occam's razor,
pressure from Russia clearly indicates they want Ukraine and are upset that their puppet was thrown out by the people.
Dude was jailing his opposition, and the people rose up against it.
That doesn't sound like the actions of a person that has Ukraine's interests as their primary goal.
After Russia lost their puppet, they invaded Crimea.
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Please point to us where in the timeline you linked is the evidence of the coup being backed by western agents. Thanks
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Where in the time line is the evidence for foreign western intervention, as is your claim?
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Eaglestan has been known to start weird unnecessary wars, but this is not one of them.
(I personally can't really comment on surplus vs. new in detail, though)
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