Russia’s sabotage of western targets ‘could trigger Nato defence clause’
Russia’s sabotage of western targets ‘could trigger Nato defence clause’
German intelligence chief warns of Russian ‘direct military confrontation’ with Nato if the Kremlin steps up warfare
Summary
Germany’s intelligence chief, Bruno Kahl, warned that Russia’s hybrid warfare, including cyberattacks and sabotage, could escalate to the point where NATO considers invoking Article 5, its mutual defense clause.
Speaking in Berlin, Kahl noted Russia’s growing military capabilities, including battle-hardened troops and advanced drone warfare, which could pose a direct threat to NATO by the end of the decade.
Russia may aim to test NATO’s unity rather than launch large-scale invasions, raising concerns over potential “red line” provocations designed to undermine the alliance’s credibility.
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That's the point.
Russia has aimed to destabilize the US since the cold war.
I feel like I'm m taking crazy pills. The cold war never ended. We changed battlefields and everyone shut up about it.
And in the last 20 years we have gotten our balls stomped. Our enormous military is useless if they can turn it against our citizenry.
How fucking dumb are we?
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I’m now past the middle of this talk. While the points about how subversion works in general are insightful, his diatribe about unions makes no sense. He claims that unions got radicalized and became violent recently and that was helped by Soviet propaganda. That’s brutally wrong. Clashes between unions and company militias were much more violent historically and way before the October revolution, let alone the creation of the KGB. His talking points on this come straight out of Milton Friedman’s mouth. It’s straight up right wing propaganda. Given that right wing propaganda is the reason why the working class is on its knees today and has just elected Donald Trump, it begs the question whether his talk isn’t KGB subversion itself.
E: He gave the CIA coup in Chile that installed Pinochet as a good example for how to stop the process of Soviet subversion. Also straight up said that Americans should support right wing conservatives to curb this process. Restrict the rights on certain groups. Don't elect the gays into power - they're an enemy. 🤦
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Yeah, I don't agree with his position at all, just sharing an interesting talk that I think gives us insight as to some of what's been going on the past 20 years. My takeaway was that Russia gave up fighting the US with force si they just try to create as much instability in the US as possible.
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100%
There's another point that occurred to me when listening to him. The process of citizens looking over another country's regime with envy as theirs crumbles could occur without subversive action too. I don't think there's much US citizens to be envious for of Russia. On the other hand, I got shocked recently while looking at some income numbers for China. Wages in manufacturing is 104K CNY or US $14.3K. Adjusted for purchase price parity, that's $52K. And look at these growth numbers:
Meanwhile the US equivalent is sitting aroung $57.5K right now. And the growth since the 80s...
If these trends continue it may come a time when it becomes self-evident that the Chinese model is the way to go.
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Our enormous military
They have been totally defeated by a perfect storm of Putin's shoe-string psyops, Republican control of the media and the "poorly educated".
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Destroy the propaganda capability and we fall back to confrontations that the West is capable of winning.
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A lot. We are a lot dumb
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It ended. Putin re-engaged.
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America still behaves like it's in the colonial era. It is the country that has been invading sovereign nations, sabotage and economic warfare. Nobody likes a bully.
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It went to proxy wars after the cold war. There were a whole series of conflicts and interventions where USA and/or Russia were involved, sometimes more, sometimes less. Ukraine is basically the end boss of the proxy wars.
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Ukraine is basically the end boss of the proxy wars.
Russia is not a proxy.
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It's still not a conflict between NATO and Russia directly, so still a proxy war.
a proxy war is an armed conflict where at least one of the belligerents is directed or supported by an external third-party power.
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Yea, between the US and NK
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I'm just here for the ball stomping (harder pls)
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No clue why this is being downvoted, its the only comment in this thread thats going to achieve anything. (It made me laugh)
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