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Should've installed linux 🤷
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Should've installed velux
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Velux just gone through the roof!
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I am referring to Linux as ‘tilted Windows’ from now on and you can’t stop me.
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No, Mac is tilted Windows, and Linux is open Windows.
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I asked a builder why this was, and he said that the lateral forces created by a slightly tilted window has just enough force to rip the entire side of a house clean off due to houses having the structural integrity of wet newspaper, which is the preferred construction method in the States
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US people, dry your newspapers before building your houses!
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can't tell if this is a troll or not. youre telling me people outside the states think we live in wet newspaper?
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Hitting a wall and having any chance of the wall breaking isn't really a thing outside the US. Everyone elsewhere notices that a lot in movies and videos. It's not uncommon for children outside America to ask adults why Americans have paper walls. People being mad and punching a wall and putting a fist-sized hole in it, falling and breaking the wall or throwing anything and the thing getting stuck in the wall. In most of the world it's you or the thing hitting the wall that'll break, not the wall itself.
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You know that tool called stud finder that you use in America if you ever think about hanging a picture on the wall, or a TV, otherwise you risk your wall falling down with anything attached to it?
Never seen a stud finder in Europe.
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It's preferred because it's cheap.
Nobody wants to pay a stone mason to put brick on the exterior of their homes. They used timber for a long time, but now all the new houses I've seen use the metal studs, which sounds great on paper until you realize it's basically sheet metal stamped into a U kind of shape that's the same size as a 2x4. It's enough to hold up the drywall and maybe some pictures/paintings on the wall plus the occasional wall-mounted TV, but give it a couple hundred pounds of weight and it's going to crumple into itself like aluminum foil.
Honestly, most of the strength in the wall is now because of the drywall. The "studs" just keep them from falling over.
Not saying timber was all that much better, but it could at least support someone standing on the top plate of a wall without folding in on itself.
Can I get my house built from concrete board instead?
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I work in a hotel.
One day, a family comes to the reception to tell me that their window is broken, asking me to change their room. I ask if I can take a look.
It turns out, they didn't know the existence of tilt & turn windows and were scared that the window was going to fall down lol
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Jokes on you, my windows make a light breeze when shut!
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I'd settle for socialized healthcare
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How dare you. Just for one second think of someone other than yourself. How do you think the pharmaceutical companies are gonna feel about that? Or their poor shareholders? Pfizer's CEO only made $33 million last year. How the hell do you expect him to feed his kids when he's not making that much because your precious healthcare system ate into his meager earnings. The medical corporations are barely scraping by!!
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CEOChief Job Creator™FTFY
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It's the breeze, isn't it?
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Imagine not having screens in your windows.
This post was made by the flying insects gang.
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I'm in the US and have these windows. They have screens. They're also not that special. I prefer the regular windows
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I don't use windows. I prefer linux
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Try not to talk about Linux on Lemmy challenge (impossible): failed.
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In a world without borders and walls there is no need for windows and gates.
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I wonder if you can tilt windows in Linux
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Do I have an article for you: Linux is the only OS to support diagonal PC monitor mode — dev champions the case for 22-degree-rotation computing
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Probably Compiz could do that..........
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23.9 degrees is optimal.
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Put a screen in that fancy window and then we’ll talk.
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American with these windows. I have screens. I also don't like them very much.
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Yeah pretty fucking unthinkable
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Yeah I mean of course not in a prison. Which cell block is that?
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Opening from the bottom is inherently worse
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Ok, our windows can open from the sides or tops as well :D
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That window design looks like it would never seal properly. Here in Germany any window from the last 30 years or more will not let any air in when its fully closed.
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It seals. There's a small recess underneath the window lined with weather stripping that when pressure is applied from closing the window and even locking it, it becomes air tight.
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Double hung windows don't seal quite as well as casement windows, but honestly, unless you're going to the absolute best energy efficiency possible, like a net-zero house, then it's really not a big difference. Any halfway decent quality, properly installed window won't have any noticeable drafts. Plus, as others have mentioned, double hung windows are far cheaper than casement.
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You don't even really have a good look at where the window meets the sill. This is like claiming a car could never reach a certain MPH just from looking at a picture.
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We actually have the opposite issue. Windows here seal so well that indoor air quality slowly drops if you don't run the central fan all day.
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While I agree that our windows are generally superior from a functional perspective, the Americans have us beat in the fact that you can't install a window AC unit in our windows.
Hence we get to just die in the increasingly common heat waves. Not great - we've got to figure this one out.
Before portable ACs are mentioned - I'll point out that they have terrible efficiency, and connecting the tube to blow out the hot air is still terrible with European windows.
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Mini split heat pumps.
All you need is a 3cm hole in the wall to run a refrigerant line from the outside heat pump unit to the wall unit.
Window AC units are pretty poor efficiency too, IIRC
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This is likely going to be the answer, yeah, but I believe we need to see some improvements in installability for the average person - a window AC unit does afaik not require a specialist to install, while a mini split, while possible to tackle for a handy person, is a lot harder, leaving the average person to have to pay for someone to install the unit.
Window ACs are not the best from an efficiency perspective, but they do beat portable units by a large margin.
EDIT: looks like it might actually not even be legal in the EU to install a mini split yourself - you need to be certified to handle the refrigerants.
Installation is also more than 50% of the total cost of acquisition, so we're hitting upon an affordability issue here as well.
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Not true, modern window units are very efficient
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Window mounted units are still terrible for comfort. External AC unit is like 300 euro + 300 euro for installation. It's not a big investment and you get totally silent unit. In Europe people will use portable units if it's short term and install external one if it's permanent.
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The quoted prices I saw for installation were a lot higher, more like 700 euro, but that probably depends on the cost of labour where you are.
There are also non-monetary aspects to this issue - I'm not allowed to make any modifications to my facade on account of it being made out of asbestos, for example. I'd have to get a specialist to cut the hole to make that work. It's also a bit tricky to fit in an outside unit - or inside unit for that matter - on my walls.
I'm in complete agreement that mini splits are superior, but the downsides do exist and need to be acknowledged.
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Integrated AC ftw bebeh
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I admit I'm an American and my windows don't open that way, but I'm not sure why whoever made that meme thinks that means a light breeze can't come through them. Because... a light breeze can come through them.
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Yeah while the European windows are interesting I don't really get why having a window open 50 different ways is useful. It seems like an over-engineered solution to just cracking the window. I also can't imagine it's more reliable than the good ole vertical/horizontal sliding windows which are just a window in a track.
Many houses in the northeast have the old school vertical sliding windows with an extra glass pane that can be dropped in front of the screen. This creates an air insulated barrier between the internal and external glass panes and even on the 100+ year old windows I've seen they insulate very well.
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Keep in mind, they usually don't have central HVAC, so opening the window 50 ways is their temperature control. They're not necessary in the US, but I still think euro windows are neat.
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The main purpose in my opinion is that when the window is tilted open, it's still almost as safe as when it's closed, while still giving you a breeze inside the house. Keep in mind that this windows are sturdy and quite heavy with often triple glass so is not something you easily brake or force.
Newer model have crazy good insulation.
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I get it's all memes and fun, but I am so tired of this constant 'Europe does this better', 'USA is supreme for that'.
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Masses divided are easier to control
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They don’t have that problem in Australia.
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Imagine not having AC like much of Europe
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Sometimes you just don't need it
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Or you live in Minnesota, where half the year it used to be unbearably cold so you needed central heat. Then half the year it was so goddamn humid and hot we needed central AC, or at least a window unit.
We do get the benefit of having homes with a basement implied to protect both the pipes from freezing and our necks from tornadoes in December now
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The amount of energy wasted in America for all the houses with AC they have, could have propelled an entire society to Mars.
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They aren't standard in the US, but I promise you these windows exist here. My parents installed them in their home
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Yep. Source: am in Colorado and have triple pane tilt turn windows, and know several others with them. They are super nice and slowly growing in popularity.
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Anyone who has worked in high-end construction can tell you that they're very common in rich people's houses. The reason you don't see them more often is that most people don't want to pay for them. Americans tend to value the size of their houses more than anything else, and since McMansion developers know this, windows are one very easy way to cut costs.
They're also a lot more common in older homes (like mine) because if you're going to replace all your windows (which you should do for energy reasons), you might as well get the good ones.
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I have a middle income home with these windows. I prefer regular windows that go up and down.
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It's not like our windows don't open, they just don't tilt. I frequently open the windows and get a breeze going when it's nice outside!
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With the weather outside today in my Australian town a nice 24°C temperature I have a window at each end of the house open.
At one end of the house the window tilts (bottom out), the window at the other end other slides.
The sliding window has much more space — half of the viewing area — open to the breeze than the tilting
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People act like you can't just order these kinds of windows in the US. It's not the default, but you can just ask about them if you know about them.
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If you're in a position to replace your windows.
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You're right, when replacing your windows, it's all about form. Remember: lift with your legs, not with your back.
(In case it isn't clear, I'm trying to spin a joke on the meaning of "in a position")
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They're also like three times the cost of standard windows, which is why most buildings don't have them.
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Bruh many old homes in Europe don't have these fancy windows.
Source: WHERE ARE MY FUCKING TILTING WINDOWS!?
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this is how we do out here in the heartland
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Ah I can hear that rattle now...
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Lite breezes were great maybe 30 yrs ago. With modern heat waves and obesity you gonna sweat like a mofo 'les you figure out how to put an AC up in that tilt.
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Smog does it for me. Can barely ever open my windows to air out, I just get sickly car fumes mixed with rubber and asphalt particulates.
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Jokes on you, average heat wave in Europe is 25C (77 Freedom units)
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From June to August 2022, persistent heatwaves affected parts of Europe with a confirmed death toll of 24,501
The highest temperature recorded was 47.0 °C
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It's not the mean that anyone remembers.
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Southamerican living in Spain here.
First time I saw those windows my mind blew to pieces.
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I live in south america and have those windows in my house...
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Lol wtf? Why can't you get a light breeze without tilting windows?
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Yeah I'm a little confused too. The thing with windows is that you get what you pay for. It's ridiculous to think that there's some kind of window design that's magically available in Europe but not in the US. There are probably designs that are more common in different parts of the world, but it's absolutely not the case that if a homeowner wants to pay for it they can't get whatever they want in the US.
I have to think this post was made by someone who knows nothing about construction.
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The idea is protection from crime. You can have the window tilted and thieves theoretically cannot climb in through that window, where a swinging or sliding window while open allows someone to climb in through it
Of course in practice they're less safe where they're popular as there is a tool, a hook, which allows someone breaking in to hook the handle, pull the tilted window shut, and open it again in swinging mode, allowing them in
My understanding is sliding windows are the easiest to secure as you can bolt lock them at any point of openness. My sliding windows have bolt points at closed and at 5cm open
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Ah, but that classic wood-on-wood sliding window, where all that stands between a destructive crash is an irreplaceable rope installed inside walls when the house was built.
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They aren't that difficult to repair if you have basic carpentry skills. All you have to do is take the sash out and open the side of the frame and you'll have access to the weight and pulley. They're designed to be pretty easy to do. YouTube probably has hundreds of videos on it. You just want to be careful about lead paint if it's an old house and you're producing dust or disturbing old paint.
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If your windows are 40+ years old, then sure. But that's not a thing anymore for modern windows.
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I'm fine. Central HVAC, no need for a breeze
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Imagine not having screens on the windows and letting every single bug in the nearby area take up residence inside and being okay with it cuz "it's only a few months out of the year".
🤢 it's the fucking worst.
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I tried finding a company who sold those windows in my city here in the USA and failed.
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You need to go through a window company and have them custom-made. They'll come over to your house and take measurements then build them at their factory and then install them. It will take a few weeks and will be expensive, but for my money it's worth it.
Where I live Andersen is probably the best as they come with a forever warranty on everything including the glass itself, but they may or may not be in your area. There are plenty of other reputable companies as well. Again, this is not a cheap option.
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Tilting you windows is a nice option that i rarely use. Most if the time its STOẞLÜFTEN as we germans like to say (opening the windows wide up to really let in all the fresh air).
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Is that not something that Americans do too? As far as I know the need for STOSSLÜFTEN is because we're building our buildings so air tight, that there is little circulation.
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Yeah, being able to open the window just slightly from a different angle doesn't seem like that useful of a feature. Also in the US we mostly have a different style of window (see below).
It's rare that I want to open a window, but only slightly open it. Normally it's all the way open and I probably put box fan in the window to pull air through.
You're correct that many houses these days are built too air tight, but for older houses that were built before AC the house was often designed so that you could open windows on different sides of the house to create a cross breeze. So for example, you could open up windows on the East and West side in the morning and the temperature difference should create a convection breeze through the house.
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Or, know, we could just crack open the bottom (in the case of the popular double hung, the top) of the window a little bit. But it is-3c (yes, we Americans understand metric) where I am now, so I have no interest in doing that. No Gulf Stream keeping us relatively mild in winter over here.
Listen, you want to brag about health care, public transit, intercity high speed rail, or historic buildings, fine, you got us there. But stop with the air if superiority about everything else.
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Correct me if I am wrong because I really don't know. But if you crack the bottom open can't someone just slide the window open?
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They would have to break through the screen first. Us Americans prefer not to let bugs in. And if it’s really a worry, there are stops or locks that can be put in. But honestly, it’s nice sometimes. Saved me a locksmith call more than once.
Of course, both windows could just be smashed. You want to tell me European homes are some kind of fortress that thieves can’t get in?
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they have a lock that stop them from sliding to far up. un do the lock and they slide all way up. most of one i have seen the lock locks when you pull the window down so you don't have worry about for getting it.
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That isn't even a concern in a place like Compton (I lived in South Gate which borders Compton and Watts). Because even in places with a lot of violence, you don't often get someone just coming through a window in the middle of the day if they see it open a crack because it's pretty easy to defend yourself against someone trying to come through your window.
Now sure, if you leave them open like that at night, it's a bigger risk. But even then, home invasions mostly happen when no one is at home. Which makes sense.
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We DO have some fine historic buildings.
They all come with tilting windows btw.
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Honestly, I think the verti slide windows make for a better breeze infrastructure than the tilt windows , because the tilt windows can be force shut by sudden strong winds.
And in the summer when I need a strong breeze at night and have to fully open the windows, I have to hold them open with a chair or something because they will slam-shut in the middle of the night.
I complain a lot about silly american building stuff but in the case of breezes, I think the verti slide is superior.
Also, they're more adjustable. Euro windows can do tilt or open, but the vertical slide windows have a range.
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Yeah, it may have a sliding range, but only for half the window. The top part just stays closed all the time. The euro windows can open fully. That, to me, makes all the difference.
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That is a good point.
What about a double window, one EU and one US
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Never seen a tilting window in Finland
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Yeah but our specialty is triple panes. Insulation supremacy
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You realize we have AC in Merica right?
Like, have you been to half of Europe in the summer?
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I love EU windows, and i looked at them when i redid my windows recently... but i just couldn't justify the increase i price.
Of course, my windows are horizontal sliders
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Tilt it baby
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Over here in the USA, we “tilt” our windows on a vertical access, minimizing the effort involved to friction. We call it “opening” the window, because ergonomically it’s identical to opening a door.
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I’m not sure why this would be an advantage? Does the tilt cause more draft than opening it a different way?
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It is a security opening. People cannot climb through a tilted window
There are, of course, tools to defeat those windows since they're popular.
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My windows can tilt. Not in the same way, but you can either slide them up or tilt them in. And besides, is being able to tilt your windows really that great?
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Imagine being a European and having your head so far up your own ass you start to disappear
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Am I the only American with tilting windows? We definitely have them
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What kind of klien bottle shit is this
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I visited Bosten before, and if i can remember it right. Some of their windows can do that
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Why would you post this while Americans are sleeping? These posts are clearly about flexing on the yanks.
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Good morning
VietnamEurope -
Today you chose violence
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How well do these work in strong winds? Wouldn’t they just turn your light breeze into a strong breeze?
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What the fuck? This is witchcraft.
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That's funny you lot said the same thing in the 1600's!
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Fucking witches stole my garden gnomes!
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Americans:
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Until a surgery
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I used to work for AT&t and it was all to common get someone cancelling while crying because their life is over and their credit is ruined because of the cost of a surgery that could never afford to pay. Sometimes we'd give them a couple months or something but a system like that shouldn't exist
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Ya'll ain't seen the economy lately?
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Unfortunately windows in the UK generally cant tilt, likely since opening them wasn't really meant to be common anyways (unfortunately climate change is making that more important)
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When do you think our bedtime is?
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i leave my window open like this every night, even in winter
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This is not a flex, these are just worse then sliding windows lol. Something like bidets are clear upgrades, but this ain't it.
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Agreed. A sliding window can be securely locked partially open. Tilt swing windows aren't secure enough to leave a window open while away
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We are awake and present.
Plz send your windows here during the summer
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lots of non-house buildings in the usa have tilting windows.
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If you want to really confuse Americans show them European showers. Imagine a shower with fixed pressure only...
Edit: I see people are confused. I meant that typical shower in US doesn't have adjustable pressure:
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TIL all Americans have showers with multiple pressure settings
I've only been an American for a few decades, still kinda new at it
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They do? Practically all US showers I've come across, have this stupid shower single handle bullshit. Leave the shower on your preferred temperature between showers? Adjust the pressure of the water? Nah, that sounds stupid; why would anyone want that...
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Wait, what?
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There are plenty of options in the US for adjustable pressure. Mine has pressure on the big lever, and temperature on a smaller level. It even has pressure compensation when somebody flushes a toilet, so there's no temperature change. But the type you show there does seem to be the default selection for new construction.
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European here, I've had showers with multiple pressure and flow levels since... ever.
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That's not true at all. The ignorance in this thread is absolutely astonishing. It's like you went to the US once, spent a week in Florida and now somehow think you're an expert in American homebuilding techniques and practices. WTF?
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It absolutely is true. I have a PHD in early XXI century north American showering practices and I know for a fact that 65% of showers in the North East and 66% of showers in the rest of the US look like this, thus, making it a typical American shower. I will admit that there is a debate within my field of research as to how public and hotel showers should be counted but most experts agree with my position that what should be taken into consideration are the shower units, not the number of uses they get per year.
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In case of fire, I rather have a window that doesn't include an instruction manual.
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It's easier than it looks like really
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European Window frames are heavy and sturdy, many times with thick wood or metal. The window is double paned, sometimes tripple Most window frames I've seen throughout Canada, USA and Mexico, are mostly flimsy aluminium frames that can warp super easily, most of the time with a single window pane in it
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I can't help but notice Phoenix in your username, you from the south? Because up north, you'd freeze with those kind of windows. Most here are wood or steel framed, and double paned.
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As someone with nearly 30 years experience in various types of construction, I can say for a fact that this is objectively incorrect. There's a trope about any kind of social media content that touches on a subject about which one has real expertise, don't remember exactly how it goes, but anyhow, let's just say that the ignorance in this thread is absolutely astonishing.
Go down to your local big box hardware store and try to find a single-pane window, for example. You can't because nobody makes them. If you want a single-pane window you have to buy a sheet of glass and know how to install and glaze it yourself.
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Aluminium frames are actually the most long-lived, also, in case you didn't notice aluminium is a metal.
Cheap European windows tend to be plastic, expensive ones wood or aluminium though the latter aren't generally used in domestic settings. The plastic ones often have wood in them for structural reasons but it's so ugly noone would ever expose it.
Generally speaking the frames could hold longer if built better, but then you'd pay out of your nose for window panes that don't fail earlier those inert gases aren't easy to seal in for decades on end.
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