reasonable

Hating both is the only based take. All billionaires are evil, even if you really really like their music.

You're fuckin dreaming if you think this silly airplane meme is equivalent to the hate we send Musk's way all the time, constantly

I didn't see many memes about Swift's plane usage till she threatened the kid tracking her flights. If that's not just me, then she deserves it for making a stink about publicly available information.
- they did exist before, but not nearly as prevalent
- She only threatened legal action after those memes started and when her flight movements got the attention of the right in an attempt to make her less credible of a voice speaking out against trump.
  
  And knowing how batshit insane trump cultists can be and how she's basically the single most hated person of his base I'm not surprised that she feared for her security.
  
  Those records were public for years but the legal action only happened after someone created those memes and even fox news suddenly cared about plane emissions...
I think hating equally based on a single metric is never a based take. If being a billionaire makes you evil then surely having 205.2B makes you a whole lot worse (185 times worse) than having 1.1B.

Also you can like things people do while disagreeing with their ways. Sounds like Swift donates a decent sum while being shitty for having a private jet.

Not trying to stick up for Swift, just trying to add nuance to the conversation.
- Sure, and I would say we send at least 185 times more hate towards musk. This is a meme about airplanes, nobody has been calling her a nazi or an apartheid nepo baby or anything.
- If being a billionaire makes you evil then surely having 205.2B makes you a whole lot worse (185 times worse) than having 1.1B.
  
  You're assuming evil is a continuously increasing function. It's possible that evil is binary, meaning one is either evil or not, or that evilness "flattens off" at some point. I suggest a (non-experimental!) study.
  
  Also, your math is off.

What if I hate both?

You… you cant… you just can’t do that.

I hate Elon because he is a capitalist crushing the working class, an alt-right con artist and takes credit for things he didn’t do.

I hate Taylor because she is a performative liberal who espouses progressive politics but doesn’t follow through making her a hypocrite.

I hate both because they are billionaires and neither should have been able to accumulate as much wealth as they have.

The fact that Musk is shit doesn't make Swift not-shit. But it's like comparing her cup of shit with Musk's olympic swimming pool of shit on a warm summer day.
- Good analogy there bud
But how is making money off the music she created unethical?
- It isn’t inherently unethical to make money off of music.
  
  If you’re implying that she is an ethical billionaire though then I have bad news for you.
I hate Taylor because she is a performative liberal who espouses progressive politics but doesn’t follow through making her a hypocrite.

I'm curious, I thought she wasn't very political (just basic human decency stuff). What does she espouse and doesn't follow through with?
- Basically she says climate change is a really big issue then flies two private jets while buying carbon offsets that are, at best, greenwashing
While I believe that nobody should be able to wield that much wealth in the first place, arguably being a world-famous artist is among the least unethical ways to become rich as long as the artistic work isn't bought from ghostwriters. It takes $10 in net profit from 100m fans to make a billion, and I could easily imagine a sizable crowd of her followers genuinely wanting to give her money like that (whereas, for example, I never would have willingly agreed to give Nestlé's leadership money, even when I used to buy their brands still).

I don't care about her specifically, but from a "owning the fruits of your own labor" perspective, I think it makes sense for the art itself to be a big part of that.

Can't I be upset with both of them for different reasons

mf no. no u cannot. Pick one.

Oops

Public shaming worked, on to the next!

Those carbon credits won't do shit to save the planet, but at least flying less is a step in the right direction
Interesting how it worked before the whole shitstorm with all the memes started.

I wonder if those were not really about her flying but somehow related to her speaking out against trump and that was just the angle of the smear campaign to make her less credible for left people...
Man, do carbon credits work?
- Very murky. Problems with even the best carbon credit companies.
  
  Carbon recapture seems promising.

They both billionares. Feed them to the orphan crushing machine.

She only sold her second jet on the 14th of this month.

And we can hate both, shit we hate Musk far far more than Swift but both are capitalist billionaire shitheaps.

I’m not even a Swift fan, and yeah I get that she is ultimately still a billionaire. But she played on Friday in my home city of Melbourne, and that day she donated $100k to a local food bank system. I know that’s still a drop in the bucket for her, but that’s not chump change.

However, if you do some searching, there’s a stream of news stories of her donating large amount like that or more. The day before her first Melbourne concert, she donated $100k to the family of the woman killed at the super bowl parade. Two months ago she donated $1 million to a relief fund for tennessee tornado victims. Heaps more food bank donations.

Like, can we seriously just leave her the fuck alone? Musk is an alt-right piece of shit, she’s just a talented musician that actually works for a living. And yeah, I know she doesn’t work as much as some of the rest of us, but stadium touring is still brutal. Musk just sits on his arse all day tweeting and committing labour violations.

She’s also not the child of an emerald mine owner so there’s that too.
- 100k to a billionaire is no more than a tip. Billionaires are a symptom of an unjust system of wealth distribution, regardless of the person. Musk also happens to be a racist numbfuck, but they're a dime a dozen. The problem is that he's part of a digital feudalism and wields enormous power.

as much as I hate billionaires, it is kinda sus how disproportionately online goobers seem to hate swift. Its even worse when you consider she's probably the only billionaire that works for a living

Yup. Tom Cruise, Jim Carrey, and Steven Spielberg have private jets too. Many more lease them.

Sure let's talk about how it's not cool to use a private jet, but maybe let's not be hyper fixated on a woman that owns a private jet. Kinda makes it very suspicious that people actually just have an issue with a woman being successful.
- None of them sent a cease and desist to a 19 year old kid, because he was broadcasting publicly available data about their private jets. Taylor and Elon did.
- Just in the last week or so Swift sent a cease and desist to the kid tracking her and other celebrities jets, aka already publicly available information. Just like when Elon tried to stop him, by trying to stop him she has Streisand effected the situation.
  
  If and when Tom Cruise, Jim Carrey, or Steven Spielberg send their own cease and desist, then we can start making jet memes about them, too. Until then, they've got other shitty things we can bring up. Cruise is a cultist, Jim Carrey is/was an anti-vaxxer, and Spielberg... actually, I can't think of anything else for him, let the Spielberg jet memes commence I guess.
Even billionaires can't escape sexism
Please don't bring misogyny into this

We shame her because unlike all the other billionaires, she actually cares about her image, and shaming her actually works
She recently tried to sue someone for tracking her jet, that's why she's catching a lot of heat right now. It isn't sus, its the same reaction musk got when he tried to do the same thing to the same person in 2022/23
It's because she is in the news more than even Elon
And isn’t most of her plane pollution due to renting it? I mean still her fault but not uh physically?

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You see, this is what I was telling some other lemmyer. All this T Swift jet stuff is distracting from the fact that private airplanes are not a major cause of green house emissions. It's industry. They love all these memes pulling the heat off of them.

All billionaires are bad.

Both of 'em

Elon Musk is invulnerable to cricitism because he cares about nothing and listens to nothing.

Taylor Swift can have her mind changed, it has already happened in the past, and she cares about her image. Criticism of her has a chance to land.

Also, it has nothing to do with the teenage girls. We hate the jet. The jet isn't even in the top 10 of things we hate about Elon.

Literally all of this started with people hating Elon Musk. It's only focused on her now because she is currently harassing the guy tracking her jet.

If you went back a year or so ago, when Elon was the focus of this instead of her, would you be complaining about how a man is getting more flak than a woman?

Fuck people who hate on Swift for misogynistic reasons, but also fuck swifties who brush valid criticism off as misogyny.

And to this blatant whataboutism I can just say: humans are able to criticize more than one person. Yes, fuck Elon Musk, he is worse in uncountable more ways than her, but this fact doesn’t protect Taylor from also being criticized.

I hate her for using Ticketmaster. We're not the same.

This is the second "meme" I've seen trying to make the point that Taylor Swift should be immune to criticism because she's female in the span of two minutes.

Yeah fuck her. I'm a girl, and a feminist, and all the things, which is precisely why I dislike her even more. My marxist feminism kicks in. She's rich, she's a rich asshole like the rest of them, but if anything it seems that some fans don't want her to be criticized because she's an appealing woman... rather than a sack of tards like Trump.

Luckily enough I'm not that goddamn shallow. Eat the rich no matter how glamerous they are. Eat 'em up good.
That is because you're not reading properly then. I don't give two shits about this subject, but the meme states "popular with girls and women", it says nothing about her being a woman.
- Ah yes we all dislike her not because she makes talentless repetitive music or because her farting makes the news on any day... no, we totally just dislike her because she has a mainly female fan base. ROFL. How blind can people be?
But there are lots of rich people who fly private jets. Why her of all people?
- Because she has recently been in the news for suing the plane tracker guy. She Streisanded herself.

You honestly think I don't have enough hate in my heart for 2 rich assholes flying around in private jets?

Porque lo nos dos?

On a more serious note, this is actually a perfect demonstration of why intersectionality is vital, and how classism and sexism intersect - this isn't, and shouldn't be reduced to "either/or", we can hate and fight against billionaires for being exploitative oppressive capitalists, and misogynists who only hate Swift for being a woman singing for other women..

its weird how this is implying that there are people who don't hate elon musk.

newsflash: there are. tons of them
- There are dozens of them. DOZENS!!!

I think Taylor gets a lot of hate because many people want her to be a role model for young adults.

When she inevitably fails to live up to everyone's standards, this is what ensues.

It's hilarious to watch.

Also, nobody is holding musk up as a role model. At least, not for young adults.

You know. Except his followers, who are primarily young adults.
- I'll just point out that there's a significant difference between wanting someone to be a role model for others and having someone as a role model for yourself. IMO, more people view Swift as the former, and most who hold musk in high regard are the latter.

‘Hateing’ this post for that horrific spelling

The internet being disproportionately angry at a woman rather than a man?

That can't be right.

The idea we don't hate on Musk is genuinely insane. His hate subreddit even got brought over (!enoughmuskspam@lemmy.world).

You could've chosen literally any other billionaire and you would've had a point.

Why not both?

they only meme on her because she might prevent trump

They are both bad people for different reasons. Taylor is just a corporation in human form. She regularly fucks people.

Literally or figuratively?
- Probably both but I meant figuratively

of all the places, you posted this on the fediverse?

I mean we don't need any more convincing to hate Elon. I don't dislike Taylor, I just think the memes are funny lol

If people don't notice how much more society hates women for doing the same things men get away with everyday, they simply haven't been paying attention.

If they're only just now having it pointed out to them, after participating in the latest hate campaign, they're motivated not to understand because they don't want to recognise their own behaviour as misogynistic.

Talking about how they "hate both" might be true for any one person, but that doesn't change the wider trend.

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Hateing

I'm fine with all the billionaire hate, although I'm getting a little tired of people beating the now unrecognizable, gooey pile of horse vicera that is photoshopping airplanes into pictures (or just having ai generate a picture) and posting it as "Taylor Swift doing x"

It's like half my feed these days.

Hateing

doing both

What is hateing? People from hatei?

We hate all rich people equally

I'll believe she wasn't targeted by far right chumbuckets when far right politicians get the same exact treatment for doing the same thing, usually even more.

Swift is evil, one of the most vile humans to ever exist. So is musk, buffet, bezos, rheinheart, Norman, whatever.

you have to be pure fucking filth, degenerate scum, hateful selfishness given ghoulish form to be a billionaire.

The difference is, Elon Musk sometimes thinks that it would be pretty neat if his private jets were electric. When has Taylor Swift ever done that??

Yeah, but for every one time he thinks about making his private jet electric, he thinks 500 times about getting random women pregnant with his DNA.
That's the difference?

It's more about usage rate than quantity. Although I could not tell you the usage rate details for either person...

The hate for tay tay is cray cray.

You have ruffled some features for sure.