The problem with injuring Nazis is that they tend to just recover, and then go back to doing Nazi shit.
There was a pretty extensive study done from 1939 to 1945 on how to best deal with Nazis; for best outcomes, I'd refer to the results and testing techniques uncovered then.
Too many of the wealthy nazis were let go to relocate to other parts of the world and continue their nazi bullshit. Hopefully next time that mistake isn't repeated.
two world wars boomer ass take. we have better options than your john browning .45 stoppan power target pistol bullshit. the czechoslovakians have provided! get with the times!
How dare you propose a non-violent solution? Don't you know nazis are the only violent ideologists that are incorrigible and need be killed? We should build camps for them or something...
Kill and killer and the number of killers stays the same. Kill a hundred killers and the number drops by 99. My ancestors had a lot of blood on their hands, I hope to get mine share with a damned good Casus Belli.
It still makes me giggle that the far right chose "Antifa" as their boogeyman. You can ask any of them what it stands for, half of which just say radical liberals that are trying to take over America. Then tell them it means anti-fascist, ask them what from with being against fascism, and then watch their heads spin while glowing red. Good times.
"There is no like, regulating body for this 'antifa'. It's just what the fascists labeled anyone who isn't supporting fascism. If you aren't a fascist, then you are antifa."
Lol I have to say that I've never actually met anyone that claims to be affiliated with Antifa. Plenty Proud Boys and the like, but I'm convinced Antifa is a borderline myth.
We get a new word for "people I don't like" every five years. Almost like its some kind of marketing gimmick that a handful of right-wing news outlets cook up in a think tank back room and then roll out as a fashion statement.
Antifa, Marxist, Leftist, Wumao, Tree Hugger, F-ggot, N-, the terms echo through history.
ask them what from with being against fascism
Well, everyone knows that Fascism is when you're a National Socialist. And that means the Real Fascists are Socialists, which is what the Antifa are, which means Antifa means Fascist.
As a True Patriot, I'm standing up against your evil foreign mind virus by speaking the Secret Truth that They Don't Want You To Know. And that Secret Truth that nobody will let you say is how Middle Aged Wealthy White Men are the natural leaders of society who make everything better. When they're not in charge, when they're not in control of ever facet of socio-economic policy, when they're not in a position of Strength and Pride, the country goes to shit. And that's when the Antifa Fascists come crawling out of the woodwork to spread the disease of dissent and rebellion against the Natural Order.
You either let good Christian American Men lead this country to its inevitable Utopian Future, or I have every right to murder you in self defense. That's what it means to be Against Fascism. So are you with us, or are you with the terrorists?
I hate this moment, in the book a completely different point was made - that it doesn't make any fscking sense to nuke everything around you, because warfare is a tool in politics, a means of persuasion.
is not spotting irony when it's insanely obvious also irony? the book is arguable, but the movie is absolutely satirical and Paul Verhoeven has been very clear that both it and Robocop were meant to be taken as kindred films satirizing fascism at home and abroad.
That's why I call myself "so far left I got my guns back". Even though I have no guns. If wanting everyone to have their needs met is anything other than basic human decency I don't know what you'd call it.
Conservatives are just mean people with nothing better to do than hurt others. Like people who pull wings off bugs.
My formerly conservative mother is becoming more and more "apolitical", because the right often wants to do things solely for the sake of hurting others, and the "reasons" looking more and more like just excuses to her my bullies made up to justify their actions.
First, equality in rights is not a left\right thing in the modern sense of "left" and "right". Historically yeah, it was - when "right" meant parties of aristocracy and "left" meant parties of bourgeoisie, with peasantry split between them.
Second, humans in general very rarely actually mean it when they say something like that quote by Voltaire about free speech.
Third - I take it Khmer Rouge, DPRK, Soviet Union, Kuba under Fidel etc were all right dictatorships.
Four - it's really funny when leftists act as if they've successfully managed to unload NSDAP into pockets of the "right".
Also, can you tell me the very first line of the "first they came for the..." poem by Martin Neimöller? Who was it that the Nazis first came for? Go ahead and look it up, I'll wait.
Tolerance is a social contract upheld by all who are tolerant. If someone violates that social contract, say, a nazi, then they are not governed by the social contract.
One cannot tolerate the intolerant.
Intolerance must be met with expulsion and force to maintain a civil society.
Does a nazi being assaulted bother you? If a nazi doesn't want to be assault by decent people then they shouldn't be a nazi. Tolerating a nazi is advocating for genocide.
So, I was just on Reddit (I know) and it was pissing me off again because its a goddamn misogynist hellhole over there and I was like, "why the fuck am I here? I hate this place. Lemmy is always better." Opened Lemmy up and this was on the top of my feed, which made me laugh and instantly feel better. Thank you!
Bullshit. A Nazi whose arm gets broken outside the context of someone defending themselves against them only creates an angstier angrier and more radicalized Nazi. It's more counter productive than people like to think.
he book how minds change talks about how people change their mind. I haven't finished it yet, but it talks about some fringe groups like flat earthers and such.
It does mention that one of the ways people change their mind is horrible trauma
Like, usually facts and figures don't do anything. Belief is social. Your beliefs will hinge a lot on your social groups. But if your whole life is shaken to the foundations, that can also loosen you up enough to reevaluate.
So, beating the shit out of a Nazi does have a chance of making them change their mind about being one.
Not necessarily. There are a lot of neonazis, that stopped their political activity after an attack and even if they continue to do nazi shit they will become more paranoid. What most militant antifascists are trying to do is to scare nazis out of politics. Its mostly psychological warfare
"not necessarily" is a very low bar to excuse violence which we know radicalizes people. If it's mostly psychological then I don't see the need for arm breaking.
And before people give me shit about this: I hate Nazis, neoNazis have bothered me and my family on a personal level in the 90's. They made us feel unsafe, and continue to make me feel unsafe where I live now whenever I randomly encounter them.
But fucking hell if I saw someone attacking a white power skinhead and breaking their arm unprovoked, I will be on their side and I will defend them.
Then it becomes a question of definition, who is a Nazi? I don't know any government body I trust enough to not misuse that term to strip uncomfortable people of their rights.
A person self identifying as a Nazi should be treated as a pariah and a threat to society.
A person who has been but are no longer should be welcomed back into society.
A person someone at a desk somewhere classified as a Nazi to strip of rights and humanity should not be persecuted with bo other proof, instead it should be the actions of the individual that should be the basis of judgement.
Just compare to the amount of LGBT people who got branded "communists or communist-associayed" just to prohibit them from being full members of society in America during the red scare, also known as the Lavender Scare
They're often so hateful, you start to wonder if they even capable of love. In their ideology, harm to those that are allowed to be harmed are more important than doing good. It's also ultimately a quite self-destructive ideology.
Those who actually care about good things will ultimately be so disillusioned with the movement that they can either be convinced to leave (might be a long process with some potential fallbacks), or leave by themselves like me. I thought I was helping people by pushing for right-wing programs, but the more I learned about them the more I was disgusted by it. Wasn't an easy job, since I was fed with a bunch of lies, especially on how "leftists" (anyone left of Benito Mussolini) should avoid "political correctness" and "communism", so early on I was an edgier liberal (after being disillusioned by libertarians like a week in), then a boring liberal, then I found a YouTube channel named "Libertarian Socialist Rants".
Can someone explain who the nazis are? I know what they are but I don't live in Europe or NA and I don't understand if it's just referring to right wing fascists or just nazis.
My intention is not to deny anything or defend anyone. It's simply a question. I also see some comments calling for violence in a very direct way, doesn't it violate rules?
Nazis are a subcategory of fascists. Not everyone knows what it means to be a fascist, but most people know what it means to be a Nazi. Often times people will use Nazi when they mean fascists in general. It can be hard to tell when this is happening though.
There are Neo-Nazi groups in the US. They can go all out with the look and vibes too. There isn't much difference politically between Neo-Nazis and Nazis. There are way less Neo-Nazis then fascists in the US.
Disregarding people who use Nazi as just a slur for people they don't like, Nazi are people who support Nazism, also known as National Socialism (it has nothing to do with Socialism, BTW), which is deeply associated with Adolf Hitler. It's a form of fascism with a sprinkle of anti-democracy and pro-dictatorship on top. Think antisemitism + racism + white supremacy + anti-communism + social Darwinism. It's attributed to far-right, but using a more modern political compass far-up would be more appropriate since it's more about control than economics.
For full background on why it's so universally hated (if the aforementioned wasn't enough), Hitler was a dictator who ruled over Nazi Germany back in the first middle of 20th century. Under his rule, millions were inhumanely slaughtered for not fitting Nazi's standard of a human being. Then, under Hitler, they went on to create a war that involved nearly all of the continents (from the top of my head, at least Europe, Asia, North America, and Africa), hence the name World War 2 (the first one was in 1914-1918, this one went on from 1939 to 1945). They killed combatants, they killed civilians, they killed children, they worked people to their deaths, they humiliated them, and they tortured them.
All in all, the Second World War took away around 80 million people. The vast majority were people from the Soviet Union (~23-24%) and China (~19-20%). The third place took Germany with less than 8%. About 62% of all deaths were civilians.
That's what they did. They practically wiped out one huge country because they didn't see them as humans.
Every 5th-6th person was dead in Poland. Every 7th-8th in Soviet Union, every 9th in Germany.
That's why they're not just hated, but despised with burning passion.
On a side-note, what's insane to me is how little attention is given to the atrocities Japan caused in China. Soviet Union is at least getting talked about, but Japanese people have no idea their ancestors did this. As a Russian, I knew that China had it rough, to say the least. But I didn't know it was to that extent! And 80% of those were civilians.
Edit: Re-reading the question, I may have taken it too literally, thinking "what's a Nazi?" instead of "what exactly do they mean by "Nazi"?". Whoops, but I guess it doesn't hurt anyway.
This what liberals say because they can't define fascism themselves, sure.
And it is a fairly broad accusation, by literal design. Mussolini himself said fascism can be anything convenient for the state in the moment, that's why when it comes down to a hard definition they're either descriptions of the actions of fascist states, vague listings of terms like xenophobia and authoritarianism, or pointing to things like Umberto Eco's description.
Idk if it’s some reference to real life events lately but I generally hate violence as anything other than self defense.
Violence is a tool and not some kind of point in itself to pleasure yourself with. There are way too many bloodthirsty people all over the earth tankies and nazis alike that yearn for a bloodbath