Disaster is nearing. Mass displacement. Mass starvation. Mass death. It is all imminent. Do you understand?

Did you miss the memo that current AI is already using more power than everything we've managed to save with green energy in the last decade? We ARE fucked, the only thing we're still debating is the exact timespan. Which is asinine, the result will remain the same either way.

The only way I see to a path to salvation is a huge pandemic or world war, becausing nothing else will convince people. We've been trying (and failing) for decades.

If solving the problem becomes impossible, the backup plan should be retribution, not complacency. That way they have an incentive to work with us.

The fiduciary responsibility scene from the new Fallout show hit hard.

And honestly, would that be such a bad thing? 8 freaking billion of us is at least 7.5B too many.

Speak for yourself.

New Zealand and Hawaii. They're already doing it.

I think part of the post is the implication that there is no more call to action, only a downward spiral that no action could solve.

Yeah there's a good chunk of this country that would react to this kind of message by heading to the gun store to stock up. Not exactly helpful.

If we take it at face value, it would seem the audience they are targeting would not care to participate in xyz and would not care to ask the congressman to vote abc, probably because those things are not in their own financial interest. But that’s not actually who this is targeting. It’s targeting the rest of us, who are already aware of those people. But we can’t do anything about it.

It's a consulting firm, with a very bad history. The post is a job ad.

Maybe it's time to take suicide seriously..

(Looking for this image has definitely put me on a watchlist)

If your bucket list is "travel the world" then sure. If your bucket list is "enjoy a lot of chill times with my friends and family" then I don't really know what you expect to change.

I mean think of how many people know someone who died young and live with the very real knowledge that they could die at any moment, what do you expect them to change knowing that climate change might make life hard at some point in the next 2 - 100 years? Does that meaningfully change someone's life when they already know that they could be killed in a car accident the next day?

Do you think preparing for collapse now in a remote location is really the sensible thing to do? I sometimes wonder myself how fast it will happen. I think the planet will be uninhabitable within 300 years and chaos will ensue within 30 but i'm not sure the chaos will be without warning unless we hit an environmental tipping point and there's sudden major temperature change (like earth becoming 20 degrees warmer or cooler within a week), which could happen.

Or more nefariously, doomerism.

You'll have time, but not fossil fuel electricity for your TV. \s

You have time, but watching it still counts as part of "everything" so you are going to have to drop it.

Seems like the authors doomerism is working. Look at some of the assholes in the comments. It feels like they get off of the negativity.

Is shit bad? Yeah. But giving up helps no one and is a punch in the face to all the people that are fighting tooth and nail every single day.

That graph is 4 years out of date and still shows the same thing, if we don't make radical changes, we're fucked.

100% this.

The problem isn’t X. Or Y. Or W.

The problem is A+B+C+D+E+F+G+H+I+J+K+L+M+N+O+P+Q+R+S+T+U+V+W+X+Y+Z+A1+B1 … etc.

We need to change everything. Everything needs a reduction. AND we need to build massive nuclear CO2 extraction facilities that generate synthetic fuels for the places where we need energy density, seeded with carbon captured from the few places where we still release.

And we can do it. It won’t even be that expensive, certainly not as expensive as we fear, once we get going.

But we lack the will. Things need to get a lot worse before we will get our asses in gear.

My point is less regarding the fact that it's a big boogeyman... The point I'm trying to hit on here is that everyone is focused on personal responsibility with their own CO2 emissions and entire sectors have made zero progress, and they're left completely out of the conversation.

We're not going to solve the problem with a single solution. Its simply too large of an issue for that. We also can't be entirely complacent on any factor. While consumer vehicles are a nontrivial contribution, it's the same for global shipping; while there's still a lot to do with personal vehicles before we're on the right track, it seems to me that there's been zero effort from global logistics to curb their diesel engine vessels on the open seas.

In addition to this, I'm always curious where the data for sites like the one you linked, actually comes from, not because I think it's wrong, but because I'm wondering if it's incomplete. It's easy to simply ask each country for their emissions numbers, do a bit of addition and call it a day, but does that include emissions created in international waters? I don't know. Do you?

Again, I'm not doubting the numbers, I'm just wondering if companies have tried to find loopholes to hide their emissions... And it's 100% the companies that would do it too.

Getting rid of dirty boat fuel is likely the reason why we see this sudden rise in temperature: https://lemmy.world/comment/10570999

I agree. I said as much, but it's good to say it again. It may not be your fault. You may not be the worst offender. That doesn't mean you should do whatever the hell you want.

everyone should be doing everything they can to slow or stop the constant march that we're seeing towards higher and higher global temperatures.

My main focus is that the entire narrative that I've ever seen is basically making people mad at their countrymen, neighbors, whomever, for driving the gas guzzling F350 trucks and rolling coal on hippie EV owners and crap.... And yes, that's one problem. That's not the only problem, but it's the only one that seems to be discussed.

We can't relax on the push towards better options for everyone, but we also need to apply pressure where it needs to be, so that the very environmentally unfriendly practices of businesses also get the attention they need to be fixed.

My little sedan gets so little use because I refuse to drive several hours a day for work, so I found a job where I can work from home. It's easily one of the most substantive contributions that I can make towards the goal... Drive less. I don't have the funds to buy an EV right now, so if I can follow that first rule of "the three R's" ... Aka reduce, then that will be for the best.

But that leads me to another problem. People seem to think that recycling is as good as reduce/reuse, and bluntly, it's not. Recycle is last on the list because it's what you should be doing when reducing and reusing isn't possible. But I digress.

There's a lot of problems. I just want people to put pressure on global logistics companies that are running large diesel ships 24/7 so that we can get useless knickknacks from China, non-stop.

When is the last time politicians really did something good? please remind me with facts!

Yep, and everyone is attacking me specifically citing boats, and yeah, boats contribute, and they're an example of things that people don't think about, but they're hardly the only problem.

Even if we isolate ourselves to just consumer vehicles, if you look at what vehicles produce the most greenhouse gasses and which are driven the most, all of that is generally done by and for the benefit of companies. Whether it's Joe driving 2+ hours to get to the office because his boss won't allow him to work from home for no practical reason, or simply vintage car collections owned by millionaires or billionaires, which are true to their roots and are super inefficient... Or overpowered SUV/limo/busses (like tour busses) driving all the time to get from one place to another for a small group of people who would probably fit into much smaller and more efficient vehicles. But no, all these yuppies are blaming Jack, who works from home, and drives like twice a month because he hasn't dropped $100k on an EV that he'll never use, to replace his Toyota Corolla from 2010, which still works perfectly. Yeah, Jack is the problem (/s).

Everyone is so hung up on pointing fingers at eachother and their neighbors for continuing to drive combustion vehicles. I paid around $15k for my vehicle, 10 years ago, and I've moved into a fully work from home position. It sits in my driveway 8 out of every 10 days, at least. The days I do drive it, I'm usually on the road for less than an hour. Yet the comments here would have me think that I need to go buy an EV. Why? My car works perfectly. I would literally be wasting more resources by throwing out my perfectly working car, to buy a new driveway filler... The heck?

I don't blame religious people specifically. I would agree that a lot of the problematic people are religious, but I don't think they're a problem because of their religion specifically.

It's conspiracy theorizing nutbars who believe in crap like the earth being flat. Not specifically or exclusively flat-earth types, they're just a really good example of the climate/science denying fuckheads I'm referring to. That's one big group of problematic people. The other big group is capitalists, which are frequently conservative/right/religious types. Capitalists only give a shit about one thing, and it's disgusting. Money. If whatever is happening is not making them money, then they could not possibly give any fewer shits about it. This is the root problem in corporations. The fucking corpos who would never bother to care about anything that helps anyone, unless they can profit from it. There's very little profit in saving the environment.

Unless they're legally obligated to do something differently, and unless that difference will benefit them monetarily, they don't do it. Hell, if it wasn't for federally mandated occupational health and safety, they would still be sending folks into tunnels carrying nitroglycerin to blast open the next section (and other extremely dangerous and frequently fatal tasks). But because of shit like OSHA, they can't so much as order you to climb a ladder if they haven't met a minimum standard of safety.

Again, angry at the right people here.

Now, IMO, the conspiracy people need medication and therapy, and the capitalists need to be given a long walk off a short pier, while being told there's money at the end of the walk. Some people we would just be better without. To be clear, I'm more civilized than to take any physical action against them, but that doesn't stop me from wanting someone to do it. They're environmental criminals, every last one. The problem with their crimes is that everyone will suffer for them.

My main focus with my statements is that people shouldn't waste time arguing with their neighbors and countrymen (those who have no authority over anything outside of their personal lives), and focus their efforts on enacting systematic change. The former is kind of a waste of time, and who gives a shit if Walter believes that corpos can do nothing wrong, driving around in his F350... If we change the system and ban ICE vehicles, Walter's next vehicle will be an EV, whether he likes it or not.

Just don't look up!

The al-ighty-ollar?

You can have all the Ketamine. Please pass some LSD and MDMA this way

ME? I KNOW WHO I AM

I AM DUDE

I don't disagree with you, having walkable infrastructure would be great.

It just doesn't really seem achievable in any meaningful way.

A few hundred km from here a gargantuan hydrogen facility is being built - using solar to cracking hydrogen from sea water. It will take decades to build, and is a big undertaking.

I offer the above as an example of something difficult but reasonably achievable.

Lobbying local government to favour walkable infrastructure just doesn't seem like a viable pathway to meaningful change in a reasonable time horizon.

Yes I should take 15 minutes every election cycle to vote for the right person. Beyond that though my input wouldn't be very valuable.

what? it's too late for that.

we are all actually going to die. changing a zoning rule? you think that's going to help?

if there's an avalanche that is seconds away from enveloping you in snow and killing you, do you suggest walking a few steps to the side? it won't do anything. the math is too much at this point to change with recycling a can or planting a tree. the only thing that will get the world to finally believe in math is massive amounts of death

make peace with death, it's coming for us all

Lets ditch politicians first...

I'm pretty sure the only way to solve this is by an extension of politics though another means. Are you ready?

TBH this is the answer. If govs are willing to sell themselves and all legislature to the highest bidder, then it's time for mass protests, strikes, and molotovs.

The world is burning, start more fires!

Great idea.

It does provide some promise though because if we want to live good, peaceful, sustainable, educated lives, the technology is right there, but there is an external and only barely human force that is imposing a malignant culture on us all.

Skeezix’s Law: The purpose of the economy is to extract as much value from the populace as possible, but whatever means possible, in any way that offers an alibi.

In your grandfather’s day, choice, privacy, and leisure were humored by the economy. As the decades have passed, the economy has advanced to become a machine increasingly fine-tuned to extract value. As the world burns and resources run out, the economy attempts to adapt by strengthening its extraction methods further.

The average human sees 2000-5000 ads per day in one form or another.

When I arrived on earth the first thing that struck me was just how fickle, shortsighted, gullible, and inconsiderate the bulk of your species is. As this planet burns your noses are stuck in phones watching YouTube shorts.

We’ve decided to leave. You’re not worth conquering and certainly not worthy of joining the stellar empire. Expect no more crop circles or foo fighters.

Your people is a beast.

It's not quite true. It's very unlikely the planet will become completely inhabitable to humans anytime soon. There's going to be a tipping point of enough extinction to completely stop any more damage and return to a balanced ecosystem. Once that happens, it's very likely the people with the most power will be the ones in the remaining habitable zones.

Yes but they’ll probably stockpile enough macbooks to last a long time.

How does that even go together? Being anti-vax and at the same time condemning people for not being vaccinated?

With the textbook example being "national socialism".

Perception of Germans: mad scientists

Germans: burn the coal

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"Trees suck up all the oxygen."

-Aunt Vera

Every single thing we are fighting for and does get through has prevented stuff from being even worse than they are now. Don't ever give up.

But spreading panic is counterprodictive

A lot of places in the global south are already using solar and wind because it's cheaper than trying to get on the oil competition, cheap Chinese solar is increasing this. What would really help is western governments investing in designing open source solutions that make staying off oil easier but apparently the only thing that matters to us is short term profits

No we don't need to accept that, they can be better off by the end of this century than we are now.

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Meh, humans will survive, literally, unless Antarctica heats over 200 degrees from now, we can survive somewhere on the planet. We won't prosper, there will be billions of deaths and an unimaginable about of loss, but short of planned deliberate nuclear war or large asteroid, we'll survive a little.

How about you go fuck yourself and jerk off to doomer porn?

In world war 2, did people think "ah fuck defeating the nazis. They already killed millions of people. We should just five up"?

If your kitchen is on fire, do you just say fuck it? And let the rest of the house burn too?

What is it with you cunts giving up on every single setback?

You sound like you would let yourself drown because "oh fuck it my pants are already wet.".

Get YOUR head out of the asses of the people destroying the planet. You're literally on their side with the constant calls for giving up.

Fuck. You.

What if we, and I realize this is heretical to day: try big things and promote lifestyle changes in advance being coerced towards worse ones

That's what matters❤️

Geo-engineering is a rabbit hole we do not want to dive into. We have the ability and knowledge to fight climate change right now, the only thing we don't have is the political willpower. Geo-engineering is a distraction, please don't give it the time of day.

doesn’t this mean that geoengineering is also effective at giving us extra time?

I have zero faith in governments nor societal leaders actually maintaining any geoengineering efforts consistently which is what would be required. Any time geoengineering buys would be squandered by inaction. I do not expect any significant action to occur until it immediately threatens businesses and governments in ways that cannot be ignored by even the most head-in-the-sand deniers

If we geoengineer, it will be half-assed, and the moment the scope shrinks (as funding naturally grows and shrinks depending on who's setting budgets for administrations) every bit of climate change effect that we held off will come crashing down far more rapidly than the slow crawl we've been experiencing for the past century or so

We’d start using safer gases that have the same cooling effect

If I, as a rando on the internet we're to guess, the most cost effective tactic would be very large pumps firing ocean water into the air either to evaporate naturally or artificially evaporated to create more clouds. Clouds reflect sunlight and artificially creating more would slow ocean warning, and therefore slow global climate change. I'm certain the salt and other crap in the water would have difficult to predict downstream effects, at best creating more rain, at worst salting the rainforests

I don't think the issue is whether it's effective in isolation (clearly we can alter the environment), it's the fact that it's likely to be used as a shitty band aid to continue emitting carbon and it's likely to have unforseen consequences. We need to stop burning fossil fuels, all of them, immediately.

But doesn’t this mean that geoengineering is also effective at giving us extra time? We’d start using safer gases that have the same cooling effect while we try and go carbon negative worldwide

Personally, I think that'd actually have an overall negative effect. Governments and corporations desperately don't want to do anything about climate change, and giving them more time with cooler temperatures will (my opinion) just allow the world to further delay doing anything about it, allowing them to bake in even worse temps if they ever had to stop geoengineering for whatever reason.

This is a really morbid take, but all these big heatwaves, radical weather, and rise in weather related deaths cannot be ignored, and that's unfortunately damn useful. It makes it harder to be a climate denier/skeptic, makes people more angry when nothing is being done about curbing emissions (hopefully leading to more climate protests), and really forces society to place a skeptical eye at all the new fossil fuels being brought online around the world, all because they can personally feel it.

If it could be made to be business as usual, I think we'd see the "Gosh darn it guys, we reaaaallly should do something about all this. Eventually." mentality just continue until it once again becomes too hot physically to ignore.

It's less terrifying than the initial graph since it at least suggests this is a temporary period of rapid ocean warning while the climate rapidly reaches where it should have been. I'm (overly-)hopeful that the brief period of rapid climate change will finally spur more meaningful action by governments, but probably not. It's going to take an entire region of a western nation being unmistakably destroyed by climate change before that happens. Unless a powerhouse like China or potentially India decides to force the world into meaningful climate action