obesity

I couldn't remember where the quote came from, thank you, I tried to search for it but it was surprisingly difficult

Is one of the other words associated with 200 years of chattel slavery?

Non-American here. I also didn't get this, thinking it's just puritanical bullshit. Some Americans seem obsessed with auto-censorship.

Anyway, I finally understood while watching Django Unchained. It's an extremely dehumanising word, meant to separate people (who have rights) from things which do not. It's a tool to be able to do this distinction and then do unspeakable evil to specific people because they don't count as people and so it's alright.

Now remember that slavery was ended* only relatively recently, segregation was a thing during the lifetimes of many people and this mindset of black people not being even human is still prevalent...

The word is meant to be always used in hostility and it's still being used like that today. That's why you want to steer clear of it.

There's an equivalent for homosexuals

The OJ Simpson trial. No joke.

Absolutely. I moved from urban Southeastern Wisconsin to the upper peninsula of Michigan in a rural area. I love visiting that spot, and I got a job offer five years ago while on vacation. I snatched the opportunity to move to my favorite place and uprooted my life in under two months. I didn't last two years before coming back.

The amount of times I got into verbal altercations with strangers and acquaintances over their use of racial slurs, most often the N-word, made me become a homebody. I was a bartender, though, so you can't exactly hide.

That's not to say I haven't heard it in public all throughout Wisconsin. The difference was how comfortable people felt using these words and sharing openly racist views and stories like they were bragging about it. It felt like an area where people breathed a sigh of relief and took their hoods off. I couldn't stomach staying in a place where certain friends of mine couldn't comfortably visit.

Still, all that is nothing compared to what I saw and heard living in Tennessee. It's sad and frightening how many communities are like this.

it changed with the OJ trial

Ok I looked her up, I had to know.

She's a "fat-affirming" dietitian and her PhD is in "body positive medicine"

Her name is a blatant pun.

I don't think I'm reaching when I say not only is the account fake, this person doesn't exist, but that it was made to make fun of fat people.

Sooo you're saying it's understandable for someone with a PhD to not have basic common knowledge?

That's the way these things have always gone and probably always will. Retarded, imbecile, idiot, these were all effectively clinical terms (or whatever best approximated clinical practice in their eras) - they didn't hold an insulting intention initially. People co-opted the terms to make fun of each other, as we do, and so professionals had to shift the clinical vocabulary so they weren't using commonly hurled insults when discussing patients. And that means new words people can use to make fun of each other, yay! Which of course they did, necessitating another rotation. Pretty hilarious if you ask me.

The most recent example in my own life - my wife is in her mid 30s, and is pregnant - some medical professionals call this a "geriatric pregnancy"! But because some folks are getting offended by that term, they're starting to use "advanced maternal age pregnancy". Bit of a mouthful, I think they'll get to keep that one.

Anyway. Carlin had a great bit on this phenomena, he's the one who pointed it out to me.

As were "idiot", "moron" and "imbecile", largely used to describe the same or similar conditions but somehow considered OK today for general use.

As was "negro" - and that's kinda the point; just because a word is "official" doesn't make it not discriminatory, just that the discrimination was backed by the power of institutions.

I don't 100% buy the argument that the two words are equivalent, but I can see how "oh you can't come here you are obese" could feel similarly arbitrary as "oh you can't come here you are black"

Apparently you do?

I do agree that if you are obese and have unrelated medical issues the doctors will very much say "you need to lose weight", and call it done. And that is x10 if you are a woman, for some reason. Yeah, these problems may not be so bad if I was not obese, and they may not have existed is I wasn't (bulging disks my back, in my case etc.), but the truth is, I am fat, I still need my problems fixed, go ahead and do the surgery to trim the disk that is pinching my nerves to fix my back because otherwise I can't move and I will just get fatter and my back will just get worse. Perpetually.

It is just laziness and they have a blanket scapegoat to use to get out of doing their job if you walk in and are overweight.

Look I'm a fat American and here at least nobody I've ever heard has used "obese" as a slur. You hear actual insults, "fatass" comes immediately to mind but there's plenty of others; I've heard plenty of them personally. The OP in the pic is a fucking doctor according to her obscured user name and needs to be far more responsible. Obesity is party of a medical status - being called a land whale is an insult.

Further, the N-word has centuries of racist cultural weight behind it. The word "obese" is far more recent and isn't used as part of the systematic oppression of an entire ethnic to group - one that makes up an enormous amount of American population.

This isn't even apples and oranges. This is cantaloupes and blueberries. Not watermelons though, that has racist baggage too.

But neither is your skin colour expressed in Latin.

Niger is Latin... removed is not.

While I'm generally not sensitive to these things, claiming something that's factually not true as a defense of the word is just not okay. Use the word if you really want to use it. If you use it in any other way other than academically (such as discussing the word in of itself)... don't surprise pikachu when people shun you for it.

Shut up.

I never used or seen used 'obese' as a slur.

Fatty, yes. Absolutely, all the time. Obese, no.

If you're 'triggered' by being called a fatty, stop being fat.

I think there's a danger in oversimplifying.

On the one end, some people do have a hard time or maybe even actually impossible time to fight their obesity.

On the other end, a lot of people are dismissive of trying to lose weight and hide behind "body positivity" and "obese people can't help it" when they could really get a lot of results if they actually took it seriously. A relative of mine has been obese for decades, even as the diabetes came on the general take away they had was "apply medicine, keep living how I like". Then when their liver started failing due to the fat and got the prognosis that they were probably going to die in a matter of months, they found the motivation to lose 40 pounds, in the goal of extending their life a little. Now they have what is, by all appearances, a healthy liver again. They also have much better mobility, reduced joint pain, blood sugar that doesn't need medication anymore. Though they are still stuck with a lot of the damage already done, losing weight has been a great boon to their life, and something they always had dismissed as being something other people could do but they were just stuck that way.

At the end of the day, alcoholism, depression, and obesity, they are unhealthy states of being.

They are not something people choose, and while there are treatments, it's not something everyone can control.

That doesn't mean we should simply accept this state of being. People living with depression deserve better, people living with alcoholism deserve better than for us to say "it's out of their control, they can't help it, so we shouldn't judge, let them be" when what they need is better support and better treatment options.

Likewise, obese people deserve better than "eat less, move more, fatty!" but they also deserve more than "all bodies are beautiful, just let us be"

I say this as someone who was a fat kid, and a fat teen, and a fat adult. I had a BMI of 50 for a most of my life. In my mid 30s, I got it down to 28, and still going.

So I say all of this is as someone else who was fat, obese, and morbidly obese. Obesity should be viewed the same way we view depression and anxiety, though depression and anxiety also need some better PR.

Being obese may not not always be a choice, but the the ultimate end goal of how we view obesity as a state of being is to find ways we can all manage our weight. Because obesity is not healthy, for those who can't easily control their weight, life sucks, they are patients in need of treatment, not morally failing people, but also not "perfect plus sized activists who are healthy at every size"

Because while bodies and sizes vary and we can do healthy things at every size. Obesity is inherently unhealthy. Obviously being bullied won't solve anything, but neither will society politely ignoring how hard it is to live a full life while suffering from obesity.

Being black isn't an inherent health issue. It genuinely is just a different state of being. 99% of problems unique to black people are social issues, not medical issues... So the comparison between obesity and substance abuse issues is more helpful than trying to compare being obese to being BIPOC.

Are you claiming that depression, alcoholism, and other psychological issue cannot be treated? Are you saying that to someone who went through severe depression period twice in his life and on his path to recovery for the second period only recently? Or are you saying people will become severely obese even when eating the same healthy amount of healthy food as other non-obese people?

Just because something is hard doesn't mean your out of control. And I know hard - nothing comes easy.....

I mean medical intervention is a common way to try mitigate mental health issues. For many people it can never truly go away, but the effects can be lessened. Similarly, there are avenues to help with obesity, whether it be the psychological or physiological aspect.

MJ turning white is because of Vitiligo, he use makeup to cover up the skin condition.

Also he's black by birth, not a choice he made either.

Try staying fat while eating nothing.

Try staying thin while eating a whole cow each day and injecting fat into your veins.

If both are impossible, then you can control your weight.

Retard isn't the same as the n word either.

I'm not gonna lie, I miss the R word so much. Everything else I totally get and can self censor. But when I see someone cut across 3 lanes of traffic without a blinker... They're just a tard!

Neither of those things are something you can choose to be. Similar to race, its something you're generally born with. (Or a tragic accident could cause brain issues as well)

They are not the same as obesity. Some people don't have a choice, and it can be genetics, but the VAST majority it is a life style "choice".

Diet determines someone's body weight. If you don't eat, you don't gain. Once you gain it's incredibly hard to lose. Once you lose it's incredibly easy to gain.

I have lost 21 pounds in 2 months from calorie counting. I gained 60 pounds in 3 years by ordering a ton of delivery. I yoyo'd many times in the past 2 years trying to lose the weight using various programs before finding a routine that works for me. All weight gain was due to me making choices that increased calorie intake. No one forced me to eat anything, I did it to myself.

Genetic factors may make weight loss more difficult but it is never impossible. There is no possible way that if you do not eat you will gain weight. Unless you have a handful of extremely rare conditions it's going to be the things you choose to eat and how much of them you eat that determine weight gain, alongside exercise. Some people swear that they do everything right with calorie counting but still gain weight but the reality is that if the average XXX pound person needs 1800 calories to maintain and you eat 1600 and still gain, perhaps your unique body really needs 1400 or 1200 to lose. Or maybe you're blessed with a great metabolism and 2500 calories will be burnt for you so you can eat up to that without any issues.

Mental health challenges make it hard to stick with a routine diet for some but it's still technically possible to lose weight even if your brain won't let you stop eating. If someone gave you an appropriate balanced diet and there were no other possible source of calories for you, you're gonna lose weight. You might go crazy because you can't have dressing on your salad and perhaps even wish you were dead instead of eating less, but you would lose weight.

Beyond weight

In terms of height, diet can influence height somewhat (especially in terms of deficits causing stunted growth) but your maximum height is almost entirely due to genetics. You get very little choice in that. You can't choose to drink more milk and gain a foot of height. Once your body stops producing the right growth hormone you just stop getting taller.

In terms of skin color, there's very little you can do about that beyond genetics. You can paint your body with fake tan or sit in the sun to get darker or hide indoors out of sunlight to be "lighter" than if you went outdoors but there's no way to will your body to stop producing melanin.

In terms of "cultural behaviors" that you seem to call race based on how you describe it, you can choose to behave like someone from any walk of life if you learn how to do so. You can learn other languages, social norms, customs and beliefs and act on them. You are not born any more "white", "italian", "irish", "kenyan" or "thai" culturally than anybody else. You learn the local culture from your experiences. Switching between the cultures has nothing to do with genetics. We're just most likely to be born into cultural groups that have the same genetics as us, the exceptions tend to be when you're adopted or your parents happen to already be a different culture than their genetic heritage's or your parents have different cultures.

I can't believe I had to write any of this out. I'll probably get downvoted because no one wants to hear the absolute truth of whatever thing they can't do that they want to blame something else to feel better for their lack of discipline, but we can choose to behave however we really want to. I don't give a shit how fat or skinny someone is, I care about the content of their character, their beliefs and their actions. I'm not going to point this shit out in polite company because it's not my business and I believe everyone should be able to choose to do to their bodies and their lives however they wish. Doesn't change the facts though.

STEP ONE, INSTEAD OF ASS, SAY BUNS

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The reason is bigotry. If you really want to get into it, a big reason for the stigma against autism is the damage done by Autism Speaks.

We're taking it back at !autismplace@lemmy.autism.place

If you hadn't said anything I'd still be thinking this was a still image. Thanks for ruining my day

I went from a perfect healthy BMI to gaining 50lbs over the course of a year (lockdown wasn't great for my mental health). I'm obese now, and I need to stop stuffing my face. There's explanations for every behavior, especially addiction, but there's no "cause" or solution for something like skin color or other genetic features.

I understand the level of willpower is different, I have an eating disorder myself. But the fact remains it is something that can be willed. Changing myself to be a different race or sexual orientation isn't a willpower issue, it's simply impossible. Hence why the comparison in this tweet is ridiculous.