Baby boomers are fleeing Donald Trump and switching allegiance to Harris

Harris moves to the left on domestic economic issues, and boomers switch to her.

You might be making a classical correlation is not causation mistake here. There are a lot of separate reasons to prefer Harris over Trump.

What else are centrists full of shit about?

They're full of shit about being "centrist". Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Every word.

What aren't they full of shit about?

Literally everything.

Started in `16? I think you meant '81.

Sooo many boomers I know were so annoyed with Trump v Biden, saying "Anyone but these two."

They got their wish.

I really hate these headlines. 1. The actual shift is tiny (don’t get complacent). 2. Soon enough the media will be bored and cherrypick some numbers that are good for Trump generating new headlines. Anything to ensure the debate is not about policy.

“oh, it’s porridge and word salad again, fuck me, will we ever get anything more than empty promises.”

same with democrats and the ones of us who have escaped the Matrix are ridiculed by both parties for speaking against either corpo party

As an old person, I approve this message. It's exhausting to keep screwing things up for everyone that comes after us.

That's what you get when fox news spouts outright lies and deception 24/7, when facebook controls the algorithm and gives zero fucks about content moderation, when campaigns are able to spend millions on attack ads, etc.

The U.S. election system is a joke.

He's nationally unknown. As people get to know him more you'll see his favorable grow. Vance's won't.

The larger number of 'not sure' may be due to having three extra weeks of knowing of Vance. Some people either are truly not sure or at least want to sound like they are carefully evaluating a candidate they only heard about in the last couple of weeks.

I can’t believe Walz and Vance have the same favorable view.

A lot of this is generically partisan. Walz has a 10% higher "Never heard of him" figure, and that's going to change depending on how the media frames him. I'm less worried about what actual Republican media tries (they've been pretty ham-handed with their early snipes) and much more worried what we're going to see out of the Papers Of Record, given that the NYT/WaPo Op-Ed boards were seriously gunning for Shapiro and now they're all being pissy about it.

But I also think Trump's kinda-sorta right, in saying that people don't really care about your VP. These are going to be hyper-partisan elections. The idea that you're going to have Republicans break ranks for Harris because of Walz feels overly optimistic. Not when they're still stuck on the FOX News bandwagon, and they're inevitably going to get an earful about how Tim personally lead a delegation of illegal Chinese Muslim Immigrants to a factory town in Ohio to hold up the jobs factory and steal all the jobs.

Overall favorability is going to decay as the parties go hard into the negative ads. And I fully believe this is going to be one of the grossest elections of my lifetime, what with Dems finally deciding to be mean to Republicans and Republicans being even more desperate and hysterical than usual.

Those numbers are such bullshit. 538 has just a solid line of 39% or whatever the fuck. Literally nothing makes a difference. You know, we used to put world events on these graphs and see how the populace responded. Now… just line. They’re not human.

You can make a poll give you any result you want. Just like with elections and gerrymandering.

I mean yeah, the only people who could feasibly remember are starting to forget stuff.

What do you mean

I mean, or it's just true that no group is a monolith and that even the misguided can change course. It's a good thing that was never impossible.

Republicans are coming for their old people benefits. They want to gut Social Security and Medicare. Any old person that has a scrap of intelligence hearing that is simply following their own self-interest to vote Democrat. Also helps that most young people in their lives are probably talking about Harris positively. We'll see if that pans out at the polls.

You paint with a broad brush. The numbers are around 50%.

I give a lot of this to Trump not performing well on stage. He was always rambling, but now it's not even on topic.

And it used to kinda "hopeful" rambling if that makes any sense, now it's just sad rambling.

Generations are mostly a fiction anyway.

Shhh, don't jinx, long way to go.

I can guarantee you that in a few years there'll be at least one sci-fi story about someone going back in time with some kind of future vaccine that makes Biden totally immune to COVID, preventing him from dropping out of the race and causing a fascist dystopia.

I mean helping seniors is important too. 1/3 have income below 200% of the poverty level, and the average SSI is $600/month.

But yeah, universal healthcare is a no-brainer.

This comment is proof a certain segment of liberals just can't be happy.

"just Medicare expansion and lowering prescription drug costs" Just?! Oh you mean just two issues which voters have been demanding for over 2 decades? Just what democrats have tried to accomplish forever but Republicans have blocked?

Political parties are capable of having and achieving multiple policy goals at once. Jesus christ.

we need a party for the younger people at this point that would fight for living wages and universal healthcare for all

Bruh, younger people couldn't even show up to vote for a Democrat primary candidate who was fighting for those things. If they can't do that, they're sure as hell not going to be able to make a party lmao. And I say that as someone who was one of the younger people in 2020 and voted for Sanders in the primary. Young people needed to get their shit together, and based on 2022, it looks like they finally are getting there.

Oh, and lowering prescription drug prices helps a lot of people who aren't geriatric, you fucking ableist. It would've helped me save a thousand or so over the last few years, at least. And that's not accounting for my surprise medical emergency early this year. If you aren't going to get off your high horse, then get out.

Yes, fuck the seniors dude.

I'm convinced.

Left-Center? The independent is a neoliberal tabloid owned by a Russian oligarch and former KGB agent.

What a fucking joke.

Idk man, I think it's risky engaging in this kind of essentialism. Votes are votes and, when the alternative is Trump, I'll take progress over perfection.

I like the idea of not having to hear trumps mouth. Short term win. What's bugging me is these articles together though, headline after headline proclaiming victory at getting Republican votes. Are there headlines championing how many leftists have come back since Harris' candidacy?

Maybe I'm missing them. But what i mean is... It seems like with every article they're showing what they want, that this is what they're planning, that pulling in right wing voters is the goal. This raises concerns, again, of the Democratic party's ratcheting-right.

Ya get what I'm saying? I'm uncomfortable with how happy the dnc is to dismiss the left of their big tent and embrace the right. If they continue this process, only this process, the platform they show their constituents will move right to reflect their voting body (hypothetically lol).

Like that's the best case scenario of this trend. And where that leads is away from leftists. Im not going to ratchet right, my legs are churning leftward, and me n folks like me are clinging on with our fingertips to a party that appears to want to be the nuGOP. How can a party acting like that currently respond to us, its current members?

To be honest, there is some hope in Harris and this election, even if her platform could move much further to the left. If Trump gets whacked electorally, he might make the GOP implode, and there might be a slight chance of a swing over where the next major challenger of the Dem status quo would be one from the left.

But for that to happen, the Reps and Trump must be fucked up beyond recognition this election.

Unsure what that even means. That generation did a lot to kickstart a great many good things.