Anon casts a healing spell

I wish my DM would accept this. I was born with this power but I might fail to cast it? Why am I not rolling to see if I walk properly since that was a learned ability.

That is a mechanic in some other games where spellcasting isn't a guaranteed thing. But not in core Dungeons and Dragons.

Like in warhammer fantasy, where a guy i've played with managed to cast one spell during a fight that took 30-60 mins irl

didn't dnd 2e have you roll a d20 if you cast while wearing armor? too low of a roll and the cast fails? No crit effects, just simple pass/fail, right?

I guess since in many cases you do actually need to roll a dice, like when peeforming a touch or ranged touch spell, people just assume it always happens.

And even in this case. Cure wounds is a spell like any other and it is subject to a will saving throw. So to be correct the pc that was targeted by the spell would indeed roll in order to save from the unintended heal - but thats really just assuming the spell could be used like this, which in my interpretation it cannot.

So again, even if the caster rolls no dice in this case, the target could. I think this leads to people thinking there must always be a roll.

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Even with regenerate, what exactly are you regenerating? If the necessary neural pathways for the legs to work never developed in the first place, they couldn't be "regenerated". If this was your goal I think you might need to true polymorph a guy into "the same guy but his legs work"

It's explicitly within the capabilities of a Lesser Restoration, but also I would not allow a player to cast that spell on another player if that other player didn't want it

Edit: also as another person said, the adult who has never used their legs before never learned how to walk, so even if they had functioning legs, it would not help

I think a lot of us get that, we're just enjoying the joke.

Their group should be setting realistic expectations for newcomers then and if they wanna do a throwaway fun session with relaxed rules they can another time.

And if people that don't partake think a session is this wacky wild shit, who cares? They aren't playing.

You might just be the target audience of the comment above.

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Should it not be up to the DM? Sounds like the players here had a good time. Srsly this is what keeps players from DND: people who stick way too much to the rules

One in every 20 rolls is a nat 20

...no, no. this is not how probability works, even if it should seem to given the way we describe the odds.

That happens in the stormlight archive books, which handle magical healing exactly that way.

Interesting question. I suppose it would in the version I laid out. And why not. Hahahah.

Honestly could make for an extremely compelling character arc to explore, but may hit close to home for some players

Exactly. If that adventurer wanted to "cure" what he saw as a flaw, he could quest for a much more specialized magical healer or more powerful spell to enable it. I mention greater restoration, but true polymorph to his original form, or some kind of time manipulation, etc. There are options, at a high enough toer of magic, to undo injury, but that power has to have been attained.

This is why amputations aren't cured by a cure wounds. You can't just grow a pile of pork by hacking into a live pig and repeatedly healing it.

It could far easier be interpreted as healing what the caster or their god perceives to be a wound, since IT'S THEM THAT DOES THE DAMN CURING.

If the caster doesnt know how Tieflings are naturally supposed to look, are they going to then heal them of their "deformities" and remove their horns? I'd very much argue the caster's intent is irrelevent. And as others have noted, there is lore of how cure wores operates to accelerate natural healing, not just reality warp into a perfect body. Splint a break and heal it, done. Cure wounds on a fresh cut, done. Cure wounds on a 10 year old scar? Thats not a wound. No effect. Otherwise no one in DnD would have any scars, even cool ones.

because disabled guy is also a prick.

You are searching hard for reasons to argue against this. Just wanting to be how you are is not being a prick.

You're in a universe of immortal gods, magic, amazing tech and telling stories. Don't you dare pretend there's any ailment that can't be healed by some random cleric of Waukeen or Kol Korran, both being deities of wealth that would approve of their priests being basically traveling salesmen, exchanging healing for money. You can cure anything for the right amount of gold, and let's not all act like we wouldn't want our walking/eyesight/hearing/whatever restored, and actively work to pay for one of these services.

By this logic, no character in DnD should ever have scars, or exist with anything but a pristine body. And yet, some of the most famous characters out there have scars and missing fingers. How odd.

Some of the traits we want to give our characters just don't translate into this magical world, and there's no ruling where a DM can still have it make sense if the cleric is in character when doing this. What you want to ask yourself before you get to this situation is, would this guy have seriously been crippled all his life and was never able to raise the few hundred gold for a healing spell?

Usually no. A few hundred gold in most settings is actually quite a large amount for a non-adventurer.

And would an adventuring party even want him on?

Because the disabled are without worth if they inconvenience the party even slightly? Nevermind that all your ranting aboht how magic could affect the body could much more cheaply and immediately apply to objects like a wheelchair, and thus make sense for them to have worked around their disability than to have afforded some of the most expensive healing that exists to treat it.

This should've been nixed at session 0 if not all players agree that this setting allows for incurable disabilities/diseases.

Yea I don't think that most see "curing my disabled friend by force" as something that session 0 would even need to touch on. Most of these spells have "willing creature" as an assumed condition.

Cause I for sure don't want a cleric in my party that "isn't allowed" to remove curses or heal. Oh, he's wheelchair-bound? The party exits the pub, you are unable to catch up to them as there are some stairs in the way. This is life without wheelchair ramps, better get used to some boring sessions ahead. Unless you wanna explore a dungeon and see if falling down stairs while stuck in a chair is gonna be easy to survive for your lvl1 wizard.

This whole paragraph again is some hateful ableist shit with 0 imagination. I'm not even going to bother listing the dozens of simple creative solutions to "omg stairs!" that escape you, and simply point out that, again, cure wounds is a low level healing spell not even a greater restoration. And long-term scars and illnesses canonically exist in DnD. So get over yourself. If the player doesnt want "cure my legs" to be their whole fucking quest, then let them have their magical wheelchair with equivalent mobility and move the fuck on.

Jesus its not even hard. "The wheels of my contraption have a minor strength buff so i can push it easily, and some years later a kind enchanter cast a permanent low grade spider climb on the wheels so i can go up stairs and uneven terrain fairly easily now. It's not strong enough to climb walls, unfortunately. But I appreciated it immensely all the same. I get around as well as most now, I suppose. Still can't see over countertops all the time though."

Hehe, indeed. Although they moved onto "vaccines put microchips in you to let Bill Gates control you" so who knows. (Side note, autistic people are chill, significantly less likely to ruin my night with bullshit, lol)

I cast heal on my muscles to make them stronger than they were before, since I guess that's how it works now?

Taking away someone's intentional, roleplayed disability definitely falls under "infringing on someone's fun", though. If the player (not just the character) is also disabled and trying to represent themselves in the game, this goes beyond infringing on fun straight into lowkey offensive. I would never let this nat 20 work. Maybe it fixes the wheelchair or something.

I have had players make persuasion checks against me before when they want to do something that's explicitly outside the rules but I think it would be cool. Depending on how cool I think it would be, the DC can be anywhere from 10 to 20, and the player doesn't have proficiency

What gave you that idea? Games make other players do stuff they don't want all the time.

The rules and scenarios do that all the time lol

I don't know, but i would say you can't restore anything since his legs never worked. This is more like a deck of many things situation

It's worth reading the whole series of you're interested. They aren't awesome, but they are fairly quick reads, and the way he resolves the story is interesting.

You're assuming there are enough >2nd level casters around to cast Lesser Restoration (or whatever the equivalent is in your campaign). As far as I'm concerned, magic should be extraordinarily rare. Does every preacher get cleric powers? Does everyone with draconic ancestry get sorcerer powers? Can anyone with an instrument kill a commoner with an insult?

In my campaigns, very few NPCs are even 1st level in a class. Maybe one in every 20 villages has a 1st level cleric in their church. It takes a 130 IQ to even start learning to be a wizard. Basically everyone can trace some line back to a dragon in their family tree, but maybe 0.001% ever get strong enough powers to even cast a Light cantrip

Your words are poorly chosen. This is a very low effort response.

First of all its just inaccurate. Many heros in many fantasy settings have some kind of limitation/disability

Not usually MC but sometimes even MC

I have a character idea for a cleric that idolizes the god of pain.

They focus almost entirely on healing because you can't keep suffering if you're dead, if you're alive you can grow stronger, and therefore, in their own twisted mind, if you're suffering you're growing stronger.

They don't heal people right away unless not doing so would cause them to die and end their suffering. Instead, if the battle is over, they pull out a chart and start asking about how painful the wound is. This can be excruciating for the one who has to sit there and answer questions until they get healed.

The other portion of their build would focus on fighting the undead because they are abominations who cannot feel pain and cannot grow stronger because of it

The god goes along with it because their normal clerics may be into torture, which is great for pain, but they tend to get hunted down because of their extreme methods. This cleric causes pain indirectly by being surrounded by a bunch of murderhobos.

Tenser's floating wheelchair

Legit, it would depend on the chair.

Assuming no rubber or equivalent, the ride would be bumpy as hell, but doable on a well packed road, or relatively well laid stone. I've pushed patients over both surfaces, and seen plenty of patients do it themselves.

Gravel is the real pain in the ass. You get a fresh gravel path, and good luck with most wheelchairs that aren't powered and/or have narrow wheels. Way more effort.

On something like cobblestones, you might even have an easier time moving yourself without rubber tires.

For short distances, even a poorly packed but dry dirt path isn't bad.

Remember, wheelchairs annually predate asphalt by a good bit, and existed before sidewalks and such were evenly paved. Some of the older examples from the Victorian era were used on city streets that were unpaved entirely, and impassable when wet, but managed to work over the dried ruts.

Same with unpaved dirt paths that would be poorly maintained. I've had patients in chairs push themselves down paths in the woods while hunting, with things growing in the path, rocks not fully cleared, etc. That's modern chairs, but the fundamental design is more robust regarding surfaces than you'd think

Its an off road all terrain chair with enchanted wheels.

THERE'S WEREWOLVES YOU FUCK

Now you're talking! That's the kind of stuff I can work with right there. We can spin an adventure out of this. This is fun! Rules lawyering and ooc arguing are not fun.