Married people, where do you land?

"I don't care that it's in the shape of a whale!" is now my new favorite phrase and I now plan on 3D printing that to hang on my wall

One of my good friends got really deep into the woodworking hobby. His house looks like a cowboy resides there.

Reading the fucking manuals, no less!

if you put sweet baby rays on a $50 cut of steak

Monster!

Grabs Heinz 57

Yeah! You're supposed to use mustard.

You might be right, but I don't envy your wife.

Hey I’m the good cook husband with a car problem too.

My wife never wanted to help cook though, she loves that I take it on by myself most times.

And I get the kitchen mostly to myself (though I’m sharing it with my son more now, which is slower, but pretty fun).

I'm the primary cook in my family, and my wife loves it. But she also is a fantastic sous chef. She helps me out with everything.

It's awesome having an extra set of hands in the kitchen and is also great bonding time.

Andrew Tate and all that shit.

The best explanation I've heard for it, which also dips into the why, is:

Once upon a time, there was the patriarchy. For men, this meant they had the purpose of being the breadwinner, for the price of massive mental health issues, since they were never allowed to show weakness.
Nonetheless, a whole culture and identity evolved surrounding this struggle, with beards and alcohol and it being totally not an expression of missing personal closeness cool to have sex with lots of women.

Then came along feminism with the ultimate goal of fixing this. It didn't intend to take anything away from men, but it kind of requires allowing women to also be breadwinners, which slims down the purpose of men.
Suddenly, it's potentially not enough to bring home money, you need to help out in the household and not be a complete mental health wreck. You need to be able to show weakness.

And while this is great for many men, it's also where a lot of men get kind of left behind. They've lost their manly identity or their breadwinner purpose.

And that's where the whole mansophere stuff comes in.
People telling you everything is exactly like 50 years ago, and you should be wearing a beard and drinking alcohol and having sex with lots of women.
In a weird sense, this is good for men. But the whole community is also massively misogynistic, and blaming feminism rather than appreciating it as a potential proper solution, and of course, you've got right-wing "thoughtleaders", i.e. white dudes with microphones, to round it all of.
We desperately need better solutions for these men.

My guess is listening to bro podcasts and bro websites.

Haha even porn as a hobby (wtf) wins that

If you like rabbit holes: https://youtu.be/BgO25FTwfRI

Fuck you, those can be hobbies! *drains shot*

But you can combine those two hobbies, it unlocks some form of super power!

One of my hobbies is “drinking”. I love craft cocktails and craft beer. I collect craft liquors and share them with my friends. I even make my own cider and beer sometimes. Maybe home brewing doesn’t fall into the “drinking” hobby as much.

til i have hobbies!

My friend, if you rephrase "arguing online" as "debating", you will see your love-life improve dramatically.

"ArguingOnline" you mean, don't you?

Hell yeah tell your husband to keep rocking on.

Hasn't he heard? Collecting cards are cool now with a huge community, and bonus points he has an amazing partner who loves his confidence.

He shouldn't be embarrassed even if he wasn't autistic. You don't need autism as a "free pass" to enjoy any hobby in your life no matter what it is.

Is he seeing anyone?

The secret is couch co-op

Apparently so is porn and traveling, so I guess it's a pretty inclusive list.

Why are you constantly doing it if it's not fun for you?

Ah! I see you never did competitive porn!

The random callout of the Dutch is pretty funny. Dodged a bullet there.

I met a guy whose hobby was painting vulvas. It was a very active hobby and his apartment was covered with his work. He seemed very proud - his gf not so much lol

I did a informal survey at work a few months ago where we as a team play archery or play bowling. And 100% of the women staff said archery and then talked about Hunger Games.

Evolutionarily speaking this is attractive because people that are good archers are good hunters, can provide for a family, and also drive off marauding Mongols.

Huh? I think archery is a pretty cool hobby. Then again I might be "slightly" biased..

It's the long shafts...

You tend to kinda get very strong doing that so...

Almost all of the hobbies that I have and that are listed are in the "least attractive" column. Explains a lot, I guess.

Wait.... So the fact that I walk 5 miles a day means that I go on a hike every day?

I actually have a bias against the forest hikes. Had a gf that loved going on nature walks. I probably wouldn't have hated them so much if smartphones had existed back then, but nope just flip phones.

That means that of all the stuff on top, I don't do gardening, or travelling..... Mostly.

Yes, because you need to be rich to do that.

Oh. I didn’t know we were doing math that way. I have 8 of these on good and 2 bad. Averages to 561% attractive! One of my bads is arguing online, prove me wrong.

Yes. One of my coworkers has done exactly that.

Hobbyist blacksmith here.

I read a book on blacksmithing, built a small forge in the backyard, and put my tools in the garage. It's fun, fascinating, and surprisingly approachable.

To start blacksmithing you need a space to pile up some charcoal, hairdryer and a tube, a hammer and tongs + something that can be used as an anvil(i have used a piece of old railway on a log

Yeah you can easily set up a home forge.

you should watch forged in fire. the best competition show ever

I have friends that 3d print and woodwork, plus one who was setting up a forge to smith when life threw some bad stuff at him (fire, car accidents, etc). It doesn't seem strange to me. Lots of people like hobbies and smiting/knifemaking seems relatively popular, if a bit expensive.

On the other hand that woodworking friend had a whole lathe so a small forge doesn't strike me as odd. A bit of googling suggests you can get some backyard forges between $70-300, and can just DIY and make your own. By contrast my camera (OM-D Em1 Mk III) cost me somewhere between $1.5-2k, with just one of my lenses also costing $1.5k.

My GPU also cost that.

My brother-in-law does smith knives for fun at home

Knifemakers typically.

"Metal Fabrication"

I've played MTG with my wife. Try switching to a green deck, the ladies love it.

yeah aint no way that hollering hag is that high.

What's with the anti blacksmithing sentiment? Most people just find someone's genuine passion to be an attractive quality, wherever their interests lie.

I think it's more of what kind of people women are imagining as a blacksmith. They're probably imagining a rugged man in their 30s/40s with practical muscle definition and enough financial stability to have the time/land for their own personal forge.

Likewise Travelling is just a proxy for "a ton of disposable income, and willing to take their partner to nice places".

My wife loved the idea that I was into wood cutting. What she didn't realize was when I said woodcutting, I meant I studied the blade and practiced chopping wood with my anime sword.

I wonder if hobbies here may mean what people talk about primarily, because some aren't hobbies unless it's all you do or something. Like arguing online.

I've always made the distinction that traveling is just going to average tourist stuff, beaches, camping, hiking, stuff like that, while traveling as a hobby is more like actually immersing yourself in the culture

You absolute tool noone wants to argue online, why should anyone engage in an inrelevant time wasting discussion???

So about elon

And comics that are absolutely amazing, like Sandman and Persepolis

Way ahead of you. I already play the triangle at an expert level, and am native-speaker fluent in both English, and Busted English.

Italian and guitar. Working so far

Source

4% margin of error, is my guess.

Maybe they didn't know what it meant

They actually have internalized misogyny.

incel fetish

or "i can fix him"

or both

Had to Ctrl-F to find a comment about manosphere

So wtf is manosphere

according to women. Says so right in the graph title!

/s

*whom

"Top 15 Least" or "Bottom 15 Most". You can't have both.

Could be similar energy to women who proudly want to be trad wives. And those who think that because they had it shitty, others should also have to go through that.

On another note, I wonder what the divide looks like for women who start with that mindset naively and then end up a) getting lucky and not getting burnt by that mindset (and stay naive about it), b) consider it a rite of passage or the way things should be (and continue supporting it despite no longer being naive about it), or c) change their mindset after enough wake-up calls. There's probably also some that start out as b) but then changes to a c) when they see the same shit happening to their daughters or nieces or other loved ones and decide that's too much. At least I'd hope so.

It's actually below the lizardman constant.

In 2013 a Public Policy Polling poll found

four percent of Americans believe lizardmen are running the Earth", which Alexander attributed to people giving a polling company an answer they did not really believe to be true, out of carelessness, politeness, anger, or amusement

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slate_Star_Codex

I'm not sure how the survey was phrased to participants, but to me a "hobby" is a regular thing someone does, as their way to pass the time/have fun. I've smoked before and have no problem with it, but I do think I would find it less attractive for it to be someone's hobby, as opposed to an occasional social thing they do.

Similarly I have no problem with people watching porn, but if it's gone far enough for it to be considered their hobby, then that is less attractive to me, which also matches the chart.

I might be misunderstanding the word hobby, but so might many of the survey participants.

It's mostly the "hobby" bit, which implies that this is one of your favorite, regular free-time activities. If you are someone who smokes weed a few times a year in social situations, that is a different situation.

A lot of people would find it difficult to be around someone who spends their time smoking unless they are really into it too. The smell especially can be really grating/annoying, and the person smoking often doesn't realize because they have become smell-blind over time (similar to tobacco smokers).

I guess it's like drinking, I don't think the casual drinking is an issue but if you start calling it your hobby it becomes more problematic.

You might want to consider stepping outside your social circle just for the sake of broadening your horizons.

In my sphere, very few people use it. And it is mostly frowned upon. Primarily, if it's smoked. It's regarded as crude, and gross. I'd say edibles are more accepted, but you don't talk really talk about it.