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Trump suggests giving Vladimir Putin whatever he wants

newrepublic.com Trump Suggests Giving Vladimir Putin Whatever He Wants

Donald Trump continues to suck up to the Russian president.

Donald Trump continues to suck up to the Russian president.

If Ukraine were to suddenly surrender to Russia, everything would be “much better,” at least according to Donald Trump.

During an afternoon press conference Wednesday, the Republican presidential nominee urged the Eastern European nation to submit to the foreign power, claiming that any deal, no matter how dismal for Ukraine’s freedom, would have been better than the current state of affairs.

“Ukraine is gone. It’s not Ukraine anymore. You can never replace those cities and towns, and you can never replace the dead people, so many dead people,” Trump said. “Any deal, even the worst deal, would have been better than what we have right now.

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Trumps plan to “solve russias war against ukraine” is to “give up”.

Is this the man you want leading your country?

Imagine FDR “solving ww2” by surrendering to japan and the nazis
- "Don't worry, men—I have a plan."
  ...
  "TAKE WHATEVER YOU WANT!"
  
  The Shart of the Deal.
  
  That's not even a "concept of a plan"
  
  Well, concepts of a plan
- This was his strategy in Afghanistan too!
  
  Arguably that was always going to end with a Taliban takeover, but we could've done that without giving them a leg up.
  
  If only we'd continued our brutal occupation of Afghanistan another 20 years, maybe the regime would've lasted another two weeks after we left.
  
  Y'all are completely hopeless, enjoy your forever wars.
- No need to imagine when we have history to reference.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain
  
  To his credit, Chamberlain wasn't as bad as he's made out. When he implemented his policy of appeasement, Britain was not actually capable of meaningfully resisting nazi Germany. He basically brought time to bring Britain back to a war footing. When it became obvious to the public that war was coming, he fell on his sword. This cleared the way for Churchill to take charge, without significant infighting. He also inherited Britain on a far better war footing, and even then it was a close thing.
  
  Basically, Chamberlain knew his plan wouldn't work long term. He took one "for king and country", likely knowing how it would be perceived. I can at least respect him for that.
- If Chamberlain can give up Czeckoslovakia for “peace for our time”, and be remembered as a great man (or at least as a garage door opener) surely Trump can be remembered for all time by giving up Eastern Europe for profit for his time
Appeasement doesn't work. Appeasement never works. It didn't work with Hitler and it won't work with Put-ler. This piece of shit is a useful idiot and I'm saddened that quite a few people today lap this shit up and see this as the best path forward. Ukraine may be scarred now but they can and will rebuild when they win this war. Slava Ukraini
- Appeasement can work, just not in the obvious way. It's like throwing steaks at a pack of hungry wolves. It won't slow them for long, but it might give you enough time to find the shells, and load the shotgun.
  
  What Trump is doing doesn't even rise to the level of appeasement. He's just begging like a whipped dog to his master.
  
  To be clear, even if it was appeasement, it still would accomplish nothing since the US does not need to buy time to build up their military.
  
  That's a damn good analogy. Appease for long enough to grab a big stick. My original thought on Dementia Don saying just "give Putin what he wants" felt to me like a "if we do this now he won't ask for more later and the war will stop" kinda thing. As I read it now I'm willing to bet you're more correct. There is no nuance here. The orange cheeto is angling for praise from his master and dictators the world over. How fucking dumb
- a useful idiot
  
  Useful idiot has specific meaning. It is someone who is so dumb that you can convince him to betray his country for free and he does believe he is doing right thing.
  
  I am pretty sure this piece of shit is getting paid.
  
  Interesting. I learned something new today. Thanks for sharing! And no doubt he's been bought/getting paid. Everything about him screams Russian asset.
  
  Oh there's definitely kompromat on him. He's done terrible things to children on video I'm sure. He owes dark money to dangerous people.
I know a Ukrainan born US citizen with a significant amount of family still living in Ukraine who is also a Trump supporter. He hates Russia and wants Ukraine to maintain independence. I asked him a couple of weeks ago what he thought would happen to Ukraine if Trump was reelected and he said Ukraine would probably be left to fend for themselves. This statement did not come with remorse or condemnation, it was delivered in the same way you would describe the winner of a sporting event. A simple statement of fact.

I don't know how to respond to that kind of thinking. If the understanding that your vote might lead to the death of your family members doesn't break through the political polarization in this country and make you reconsider then I don't think anything will.
- I'm trans, and I'm not the only one in my family.
  
  My Dad claims he votes Republican for tax purposes.
  
  Tell him that he won't be the one getting the tax cuts.
  
  So to him the potential to possibly pay less taxes is more important than his own child's safety and right to exist.
  
  And that's not even mentioning that there is like a 99.98% chance that nothing Trump does with respect to taxes will ever affect him (positively) in any way.
  
  Your dad is a cheap asshole who is making your country worse by doing so. Please let him know
- I was going to say that maybe the concept was too abstract for him, so the thought of losing family members to war didn't even cross his mind. It could never happen to him, right?
  
  But then again, Ukraine has been at war with Russia for some time now. Surely he knows people who have perished in the war?
  
  Did he give you a reason why he supports Trump? Is it maybe a misogyny thing?
  
  I've known this guy for a long time. He's grown up in rural America so he has all the same reasons for supporting Trump as those people typically do with the added oddity of being more impacted by the negative outcomes of those policies. Guns, immigration, general economic stuff. At least those are the reasons they'll state publicly.
  
  It seems more like an in-group thing than anything else to me. I would have expected some sort of expression of disagreement with Trump on this particular issue but he says he thinks Democrats will do the same thing despite all evidence to the contrary. That is how he's chosen to rationalize the situation.
OF COURSE HE DOES
Remember, that Putin has ambitions way beyond Ukraine. He will likely want the EU and NATO to pull out from CEE at minimum, if not those countries to join his empire in some way or another.
- He has said he wants this back. And I think, especially this bit.
- He won’t stop heading west until he regains control of alaska
  
  Ask the japanese how well that goes over.
- Where does that idea even come from?
  
  Ironically it's the same logic Israel uses against the Palestinians. They want to destroy us and can't be reasoned with, so it has to be total war.
  
  Difference being: here it's attributed to one man, Putin. Israel applies it to all Palestinians. Difference couldn't be more obvious.
  
  Huge difference, Ukraine military operations were for a long time purely defensive, only engaging in their own territory. Now they are starting to target military facilities in Russian territory more with no evidince of excessive collatoral damage, which is still understandable. If Russia withdrew offensive forces, Ukraine would not be trying to 'wipe out' Russia.
  
  Versus Israel where just tremendous indiscriminate operations are inflicting more 'collateral' damage than what would be considered understandable targets for deliberate damage. I think the world might have been pretty fine with surgical incursions against Hamas and Hezbollah, but Israel has not displayed that discipline.
Fuck that, but also notice "Ukraine is not Ukraine anymore". This is a dangerous part of propaganda.

People will rage against the headline and who knows if he will eventually back track on that, but he already sold the underlying message without any serious risk of backlash.
Crazy that these reporters can understand what Trump is trying to articulate around that mouthful of Putin's dick.
- To be fair it is a rather small dick.
  
  And a rather big mouth.
“Any deal, even the worst deal, would have been better than what we have right now.

And this just shows how uninformed Trump is.

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and took Crimea! Ukraine did not attack.

Russia then invade in Luhansk and Donbas and illegally annex both regions in 2022

So what deal is Trump talking about that would have left Ukraine alone? 2014? Nope. 2022? Nope.

The only deal Putin is willing to accept is total control over the sovereign nation of Ukraine.
- The only deal Putin is willing to accept is total control over the sovereign nation of Ukraine.
  
  Trump: "Sounds good."
- Nah, he and the Duma have stated their victory conditions: total control over Ukraine AND the destruction of Ukrainian national identity. He doesn't want Ukraine thinking of itself as a sovereign nation, only a Russian state.
Well, he might be on to something.

I'm studying world history for the first time and I've so far gotten to 1938 and while I know absolutely nothing that happened after that, so far it looks like this suggestion has worked with this Hitler fellow.
- The person Europe appeased eventually went on to go and shoot Hitler, afterall.
  
  Spoiler
  
  What happened with Jenkins?
- I found and old encyclopedia at a car boot sale from around that time. Looked up Germany and it mentioned that 'Herr Hitler had done wonders for Germany's economy but wasn't very popular in some circles as they considered his views and policies were extreme.'
  
  Another fun fact - Nazis were very popular with a lot of the British Royal family and the 'upper classes'. They were also supported by The Daily Mail newspaper, some things never change do they?
  
  Don't forget the American robber barons!
- You’re not going to believe what happens in 1945.
trump embodies pretty much every single negative adjective you can possibly apply to a human being
- I'd consider "being alive" to be a very positive trait in a human. Not so much in him.
  
  That's not what they said.
  
  "Embodies every negative attribute" is not the same as "every attribute embodied by him is negative".
The Art of the Squeal
Who really believes Russia will stop at their current claims? Once they achieve their current goals, they'll attack for more, and more, and more. The killing doesn't stop.
- Hey, they're been doing it for 500 years straight, they gotta stop some day!
  
  "Trump, I think that dictator is an imperialist! His Siberia is colonised, his Chechnya is colonised, and I'm pretty sure that Belarus is colonised!"
  
  "A dictator who has lots of colonies is less likely to invade countries than a dictator whose colony supplies are low"
- We could find you some .ml users if your question wasn't rhetorical.
"Launch codes, ownership of the United States, the souls of America's first born. Ya know, just being reasonable here..." - Donny Turnip
Of course the perennial misbehaver thinks that misbehavior should be rewarded.
It makes sense that Trump wants to surrender. He’s a pussy.
- He lacks the warmth and depth to be one.
Donald, you bitch, you are the biggest coward. Go off yourself for humanity's sake
I mean, he’s already given him countless blowjobs, so yeah.
It didn't need to happen. It's your fault. Your skirt was a finger too short, Ukraine.
- I know we promissed to protect you from Russia explicitly when you gave up your nuclear deterents but that was like soooo long ago.
- Trump was happy enough to sell Ukraine a ton of weapons back in 2018, when Grimmer Bolton was whispering in his ear about playing both sides against the middle.
  
  So much of this anti-war Trumpism is deeply cynical. He says this shit because the war is unpopular, but as soon as he's in the driver's seat he's going right back to the Nixon in Vietnam and Obama/Trump in Afghanistan strategy of dragging that shit out forever so he doesn't have to admit he lost.
  
  People wax poetic about Trump being bad for Gaza. But this guy would be a nightmare for Europe more than anything. He's erratic, untrustworthy, and easily swayed.
  
  I think Harris is shit on foreign policy, but I have no illusions about Trump immediately kicking off more conflicts internationally because one of his Beautiful Generals told him it would look cool to drop another fuel bomb or three.
- They were basically asking for it
sure give to him one piece of lead at a time. high speed
I'll take things that will never happen for $200, Alex!
- God I wish I saw and end in sight, though.
Ah, the negotiator /s
Alternate headline: ~~Trump~~ Neville Chamberlain suggests giving ~~Vladimir Putin~~ Adolf Hitler whatever he wants
- I could have sworn at one point Russia claimed to have annexed certain parts of Ukraine due to ethnic Russians, very similar to Hitlers Sudetenland claims.
  
  Central Ukraine suppressing russian language\culture in Donbas, Luhansk and Crimea were their talking points right before 2014.
- Comparing Trump to Chamberlain is a pretty big disservice to Chamberlain. History at least shows that Chamberlain was correct about Britain's ability to combat German aggression, and his appeasement bought Britain the time to properly arm and ready themselves for war.
  
  Trump's just a sniveling sycophant who wants to give Daddy Putin everything he wants because he hopes Putin will be proud of him and treat him as a big man.
- No - Chamberlain bought us time to stand up to him. But only just. Trump is just a whining lapdog.
"you can never replace the dead people, so many dead people"

Jfc this guy somehow made it? How about, "we can never replace the countless lives lost in this war, or repair the families that have been broken"

Idk. Is it great? Nah, but I can type a thing in like 20 seconds and this orange potato just fuckin speaks like a middle school student. How the fuck
Why don't we just give up, Pardner?

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Very beta
Of course he does. He is his puppet.
I have no words
This is the art of the deal: give them everything they want, say it was the plan all along, and then brag how you won the negotiation.
What a tool.
- Tool or fool? It can be argued that all tools are fools which would most likely make all fools, tools.
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- Hey, here, take Alaska back to!
You can never replace those cities and towns

For someone who nominally has a fortune in real estate, he clearly doesn’t understand how construction works.

You absolutely can replace towns and cities, and someone is going to make a shitload of money doing just that once the conflict is over. The only question at the moment is whether they’re going to be Russians or westerners.
He's plainly asking for Russian interference on his behalf.
If Poland were to suddenly surrender to Germany, everything would be “much better,” at least according to Donald Trump.

During an afternoon press conference Wednesday, the Republican presidential nominee urged the Eastern European nation to submit to the foreign power, claiming that any deal, no matter how dismal for Poland’s freedom, would have been better than the current state of affairs.

“Poland is gone. It’s not Poland anymore. You can never replace those cities and towns, and you can never replace the dead people, so many dead people,” Trump said. “Any deal, even the worst deal, would have been better than what we have right now.

It's scary how few words I had to replace to make that work. Appeasement of a genocidal dictator does not have a good historical track record.
Trump doing his best Chamberlin impersonation?

So Kamela Harris is Churchill?
I keep upgrading what kind of leverage putin has on dolt45. I'm now pretty sure trump must have choked his male prostitute of the night to death on camera.
- You really think he has the strength to choke someone to death with those tiny hands?
  
  Smothered to death, maybe.
He's Putins pretty lil puppet. 😊
Ah. Another sterling strategy from Donald "Neville" Trump.
Power of the pee pee video
Gobble gobble
Donnie has concepts of a plan.
Harris suggests giving Israel whatever they want. But, one is far more effective at killing innocents than the other.

Giant douche or turd sandwich? I'll endorse neither.
- And you'll get the worse one.
  
  So you'll happily vote for Trump if he's running against someone worse? I feel like eventually you have to draw a line somewhere
  
  It's not worse for me as a brown individual. That damage is already done.
  
  It's worse for MLK's white moderates because they can't ignore the issues the rest of us have been suffering our whole lives.
  
  I'll choose justice over order and principle over comfort. It's the only way forward.
- Where exactly did she do that. Source...
  
  That sounds like a Facebook statement where eople like you just keep coming up with increasingly absurd comments until you forget what the truth is (like those anti EV people on Facebook who have somehow convinced themselves that petrol is cleaner and EVs constantly blow up, because they just keep upping their own comments).
  
  So I'd really like a source on that one

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