A school district in Pennsylvania approved nearly $9,000 ‘to cut windows into the ‘gender-identity’ student bathrooms so passerby can look inside’
A school district in Pennsylvania approved nearly $9,000 ‘to cut windows into the ‘gender-identity’ student bathrooms so passerby can look inside’
These adults want to make it easier for other people to watch your children while they’re in the bathroom. It’s absolutely mind-boggling.
South Western’s elected school board is making some strange decisions.
For the last two years, they’ve fixated on which bathrooms LGBTQ+ kids use. In 2023, officials in this Hanover-area district played musical chairs with school bathrooms in a misguided attempt to appease the loudest bigots among them — ending up with five different types of bathrooms.
After a low-turnout school board election in which several far-right members joined their ranks, they hired a Christian law firm, decided to begin banning books and reopened the bathroom issue. Board President Matthew Gelazela, who was elevated to his post after previously serving as the board’s most vocal bomb-thrower, pointed to Red Lion’s discriminatory policies as something to aspire to.
Now, upon the advice of that law firm — the Harrisburg-based Independence Law Center — the board approved spending $8,700 to cut windows so passersby can look into the so-called “gender-identity” student bathrooms.
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You've always got to show up for those school board elections now. Every. Single. Time.
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These are the people who continually call everyone on the left "groomers" and taking an unhealthy interest in kids? The same people cutting peepholes into school bathrooms?
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Anyone who shows up to a school board meeting to complain about bathrooms should automatically have the police sent to look at their hard drive. If you're that concerned about the bathroom habits of young children, the cops really need to look at your internet history and the contents of your hard drive.
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Drag wants to complain about bathrooms at schools. If we segregate the bathrooms at schools, we're teaching kids that segregation is okay. We should be preparing the next generation to have less hangups and weird behaviour than we do. The kids already all have mixed gender bathrooms at home. They won't think anything of desegregating bathrooms, and it'll create a less sexist society.
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Every accusation is an admission. Never forget it.
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Yep, the people whose entire personality is combating the "woke liberal left".
You know, the people they portray is foaming at the mouth woke crusaders. When in actuality, 95% of left voters consist of people who don't give a shit about all this besides listening to the oppressed minorities problems and proposed solutions, and showing the smallest amount of empathy.
"Oh damn, I didn't realize you dealt with that shit. Yeah, ok, gender neutral bathrooms are cool. Whatever you need, doesn’t bother me."
Right: "screeeeeeeee!!!"
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"Guys, guys... If we just hurt these kids enough, it will force them back into the closet and we'll get to pretend LGBTQ+ kids don't exist!" - These assholes, probably
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That's the plan. Ostracize to literal death and pretend it's an unfortunate side-effect that following a god (more specifically, their god) will fix.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's not the substance of the issue that matters at all, it's the taboo. Accepting these kids diminishes their kink, they're not being naughty if it's socially acceptable and wheres the fun in that.
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These are really fucking weird and dangerous people.
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Whoever approved this is clearly very weird.
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Yeah, is this not like blatantly pedophilic? Very weird
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I'm betting there is some sort of legal prohibition against creating a mixed-gender restroom, and the way they are getting around it is by declaring only the toilet stalls to be restrooms. With the window into the area of the sinks, that area is a public space, and can't legally be considered part of the restroom.
So long as the toilets are in actual rooms with floor to ceiling walls and actual doors (not the bullshit stalls we typically use in the US), and those rooms don't have windows, this isn't as terrible an idea as it initially seems.
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the windows help “[add] privacy in the toilet facility”
?????
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I don't think these school board members have enough privacy in their homes.
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War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, Republican bullshit is still Republican bullshit.
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Right, Windows never added privacy.
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War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
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I understand it now!
The window looks over the sink area where you would wash your hands after ensuring you are dressed and decent upon leaving the private stall.
The idea is by having the window in the wash area, students will be hyperconscious that this is not a private space, and they will be mindful to move into the truly private stall before starting their private business.
I think it's purely to avoid the following example;
The number of times I've stepped into a public restroom because I needed to fix something privately - my stockings are rolling down, a bandaid on my upper thigh needs replacing, my bra strap is coming loose. These are things that are private but not as private as using the toilet, so often I'll just fix these things up while I'm at the sink area, I don't need a stall.
But if someone walks in while I'm fixing my stockings, well they didn't consent to seeing so much of my upper thigh when they turned the corner, and while I personally don't care that they saw me, I can see how a teenage girl might be deeply upset if this happened because she absent mindedly forgot that the sink area is not truly private.
Spooky I think it's to constahtkt remind the students that onky the stalls are truly private.
It's a misguided, and potentially harmful way to do this though...
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Now, upon the advice of that law firm — the Harrisburg-based Independence Law Center — the board approved spending $8,700 to cut windows so passersby can look into the so-called “gender-identity” student bathrooms.
Anyone want to take a bet that someone at the law firm or on the school board, really loves to sexual assault children?
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Do all these weirdos have gendered bathrooms in their homes? Just install single person non gendered bathrooms or floor to ceiling stalls and non connected sinks and be done with it.
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I point out that communal bathrooms are the problem every time this type of nonsense shows up
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I think the problem is the bigotry, personally.
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From a local station.
"Our students should not consider the space outside of our stalls as private within the multiuser restrooms. Our current policy states 'In any facility in a District school that is for use based on Gender Identity, in which a person may be in a state of undress in the presence of others, school personnel shall provide private changing areas for use.' Areas between our stalls and sinks in multiuser restrooms are not private changing areas under that policy.
Just fucking WOW. I guess we should check their assholes next.
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Ok, I'll explain that a little better: the place where you take a shit is a private space. The place where you wash your hands is a public space.
In a normal restroom, it is permissible to be partially undressed outside of the stalls, but within the hand washing area of the restroom, as that can be considered a changing area, like a locker room.
With the addition of the window, there is no longer a place that can be considered a "changing area" outside the stalls. If they built proper walls and used proper doors for the "stalls", they just made some private restrooms next to some public sinks.
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This is to alienate or ostracize a certain group. They don't care that someone might change in that area. They want it to fail.
Since you only have a reference from tv about other places outside the US, Germany has unisex bathrooms. It is a place to shit and piss. If you want to change, knock yourself out. However in the US we have tiny doors that you can easily see around. Privacy is not high on our list.
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The discourse around this is very confusing, especially as a non American who has never been in an American school bathroom.
What you're describing sounds like a normal public toilet set up in my country
There's a hallway or doorway into an open space with mirrors sinks and hand dryers, sometimes that hallway has a door to it, but often it's just an open door frame. Sometimes they'll put a 90 degree turn in the hall to obscure looking straight in, but not always.
Behind the sinks are private stalls. At more expensive locations they'll have semiambulant stalls, some will even have their own sink inside the stall so that the full access toilet and wash room can be available to those who can't ambulate.
(full access toilets and wash rooms are entirely seperate from the sink and stalls)
The sink area is often still segregated by gender at older establishments, but anyone walking past could glimpse in and see /shock fully dressed people washing their hands!
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Yeah... Protect me from those creeps watching my kid in the bathroom.. wait..
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You only need two types of bathrooms. One for standing while peeing and the other for sitting. That's the only way bathrooms need to be divided.
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For a lot of women the bathroom is the only way to escape unwanted male attention.
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Now it can be like an attraction at a zoo
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But that's not what bathrooms are for. I lament the state of our society that has so many women scared of men and I do what (little) I can to be a good ally.
But bathrooms are for expelling biological waste from one of three holes in the human body. And for washing afterwards. For that purpose, single occupancy toilet stalls (with floor to ceiling walls) and communal sinks is sufficient.
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man from the child molester party wants windows in childrens bathrooms for totally not molester reasons.
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This seems to be a pretty blatant violation of IBC chapter 21 1210.3
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Dang I didn’t realize root beer has so many rules.
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Sassafras, one of the main traditional ingredients in the manufacture of root beer, is carcinogenic and has been banned in the US since 1960. There are a surprising number of rules surrounding root beer.
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That doesn't seem to be a code? Are you talking about the cope lintel and I guess 2104.1.1?
*oh that's some 2021 version change. PA is on 2018 and chapter 21 is masonry which got me to the other violation.
You can violate 2021 IBC all you want in PA because it isn't adopted code. 2018 only cares about privacy for urinal partitions and the enclosed stalls which weren't touched.
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Oh bummer, PA sucks
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Throwing out codes when you don't know any details about the situation is classic lemmy brain
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Hot take
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starting to think the anti trans crusaders are just paedophiles looking to legitimise paedophilia.
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Pedo-con theory is a "theory", like the theory of Gravity is "only a theory."
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In case anyone else was wondering how they came up with 5 types of bathroom:
bathrooms for males assigned as male at birth, females assigned as female at birth, males based on gender identity, females based on gender identity, and private, single-use bathrooms for all students to use.
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the fact they have the space for all of that means they have the space to eliminate communal bathrooms altogether
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It sounded like that's their current "problem.". Since it's the adults with agendas that are doing the only complaining, the kids are just using whatever bathroom is most convenient, so CIS kids are using the Identify as X bathroom because they don't care, they just need to use a damn bathroom. I took it as that's why they want the windows in the non CIS bathrooms.
I feel stupider for having to try to explain this like it makes any sense. Just have single, unisex bathrooms already like everyone has at home!
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....those don't even remotely work to serve all genders.
I still wouldn't technically be able to pee anywhere if I was a student at that school (other than the single stall room....why not just have a bunch like that?)
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Perverts and child abusers, the lot.
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They're so concerned about what's going on inside children's pants that they now was to watch them in bathroom.
Sounds pretty fucking weird to me
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I can't believe this isn't illegal. What the thru idk fuck.
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I daresay no one thought we needed a law against cutting a hole in the wall of a school bathroom. I certainly didn't have it on my bingo card for this month.
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Conservative Christians increase their involvement and within a year the children's bathroom has a viewport for pedophiles installed.
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Ah, this takes me back to my own high school days back in the 90s where none of the boys' toilet stalls had doors on them. I assume as some sort of anti-masturbation tactic. I've got nervous bathroom issues already so I basically held it in until I got home most of the time.
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I went through 4 years of high school without ever taking a shit at school for this very reason.
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It wasn’t because the bathrooms were disgusting?
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We had a bunch of stalls in the 90s without doors, but the janitors told us it was just because asshole kids would break the doors for fun and the school would run out of money to repair them.
Even just partially damaging a door can make it a dangerous enough that the school would rather take it down than risk a lawsuit.
Made more sense to me than some sort of anti masturbation strategy. High school kids are fucking dumb as shit and I can definitely imagine them breaking stall doors for fun
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Yup, at my highschool by week 5 they'd be swapping all the gender signs on the bathrooms because the girls were wrecking the mirrors and the boys would bust the doors, and they only had the budget to fix each once so they'd rotate who used which bathrooms to even out the type of damage so even though boys were constantly smashing the doors the first door wouldn't come off the hinge until the end of first term (versus within the first week, which was the damage rate before faculty started the sign swap system).
There was one year where in Term 4 we had a row of porta-pottys because some one's dad owned a shitter company and that was cheaper than fixing the real bathrooms.
I don't know why those degenerates were breaking the bathrooms knowing they'd be stuck pissing with the normal door... Why they couldn't just set fire to the grass behind the woodshop like normal delinquents. Grass grows back for free.
I work at a community education centre now, and the soap dispensers appear to be what everyone likes destroying these days.
We can't afford to replace them so we currently have bottles of hand soap tied to the taps with string that I replace every other day.
Also I've had to put signs up reminding teenagers that poo particles from flushing will land on every surface in a bathroom, so stop kissing the mirrors.
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Kids slamming bathroom stall doors and kicking them with their feet seems to be pretty common from my vague memories.
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During that TikTok toilet stealing thing that happened, the schools here removed all the stall doors.
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They go on and on about how they don't want the dangerous transgenders in the bathroom, but now anyone can peek in to confirm... What, exactly? It's not like the windows are in the stalls, so just for them assume someone gender? "You look too feminine, no boys room for you. Sorry, too masculine, no ladies room." What's next, strip searches? Wtf is it with them and the bathroom...
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What’s next, strip searches?
Hardly "what's next". This has been a fixation by conservatives since since the Obama Administration
Aimee Toms was washing her hands in the women’s bathroom at Walmart in Danbury Friday when a stranger approached her and said, “You’re disgusting!” and “You don’t belong here!”
After momentary confusion, she realized that the woman next to her thought — because of her pixie-style haircut and baseball cap — that she was transgender.
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Longer than that, even! Circa 2003/04 my 14 year old ass was getting chewed out by shitty Karens because they couldn't fathom the idea of a young teen girl sporting a pixie cut and wearing baggy metal tees, skate jeans and vans. I've actually resorted - more than once - to showing my used menstrual products as proof. Well, more as a way to harass them back, but. You know.
Joke's on me, though, I guess, since I'm actually genderfluid lol.
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Wtf is it with them and the bathroom…
They really love people's gentials. The younger the genital, the better.
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It's to ensure people remain on the outside and excluded.
If someone's preferred bathroom in the men's room, but they are forbidden from using it, they have a special bathroom to use. However we can't have them privately using a bathroom. We have to put them on display. EVERYONE needs to know they are different. The goal is to exclude, the goal is to make them feel different, the goal is hate. It's disgusting.
As students, hopefully, they just start to use the bathroom normally. If all students use it, then it's not weird. Now that's unfair to push on middle school students. But it's an option.
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After a low-turnout school board election in which several far-right members joined their ranks, they hired a Christian law firm, decided to begin banning books and reopened the bathroom issue.
Fucking VOTE you dumb sons of bitches!
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This won't help much, hard to tell much just by someone's face. What we need here is a window specifically for viewing the children's genitalia. And then we need a dedicated monitor to watch all the children use the bathroom.
John, the repressed religious fundamentalist, has already volunteered. We've designed a room where he can monitor the genitalia from the holes we've cut, and we've also installed cameras inside the urinals and toilets with a feed that goes to the monitoring room, in case anyone tries to defeat our system.
The monitoring room has no windows or cameras in it, and the door locks from the inside, so, I think we've finally solved the problem. Consider the liberals owned!
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What fucking law firm approved this? Must be one Trump uses. Because letting people look in on underage kids in the bathroom must be unconstitutional not to mention illegal? If that was going on in my kids school I be suing.
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So, we've created the Toilet Safety Administration. Wonderful.
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Seriously though, what the actual goddamned fuck.
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Gorilla glue and posters. Repeat Ad nauseum.
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That's weird as hell.
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The only way to stop a bad guy with a window in your child's bathroom to watch them pee, is a good guy with a window in your child's bathroom to watch them pee
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Sorry isn't "gender identity" the most common public restroom type in America, and also the opposite of the one they're concerned about? They aren't putting windows in the boys' room or the girls' room, which are segregated by gender. These are the gender neutral restrooms that they want to peek into (or really, discourage anyone from using). Up is down with these people.
Edit: Wait, I just looked at the picture again. The caption says gender neutral, but the actual signage on the restroom says "Boys" and then below that "Gender Inclusive" and I'm not sure how those two things go together.
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Time to retrofit some staff bathrooms and save them 18k doing it themselves
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so they can watch kids defecate? what is wrong with these inbred fuckups?
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Well no, they're monitoring who is using the bathroom. It's 100% just so they can make lists and check them twice to number who's naughty who's nice.
Ed: to be cheese I don't agree and this is dumb but I do love a dumb rhyme
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Looking at Children Pee is NOT what Pedophiles do! Pedophiles are the ones NOT Looking at Children's Genitals!
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Conservatives are cockroaches.
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They are out of their minds
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Does $9,000 seem a bit low for the cost of adding windows to all the relevant restrooms in a school district?
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It looks like the district has 6 schools, not sure how many of these bathrooms are in each school, but I'm going to assume they're probably only adding one of each gender identity bathroom per school, or 2 each, 3 if we count the unisex bathrooms.
I have no real frame of reference for what kind of windows they're installing, so I'm not sure how much they cost, and of course windows can get as expensive as you care to spend. But after perusing home Depots website, let's just say $500 a pop for materials.
Depending on how competent their district maintenance personnel are, they may be able to install it themselves and not need to bring in contractors, pay for overtime, etc so esentially free installation.
6 schools × 3 bathrooms × $500 per window does come out too $9000 on the dot.
Don't know how accurate my estimates and assumptions are, but it's potentially within the realm of possibility
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And the school board president ran as a member of the "Libertarian Party".
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I'd love to invite a board member to urinate into a jar in the middle of a meeting since that should be perfectly acceptable.
I'm sure they'll all run to the jar like some halfwit version of political saw...
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passerby
No.
passersby
NO.
Passers-by.
Yes. That's the one that is valid at all.
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I prefer to have open bathrooms. The only secure room is the stall itself (along the wall) and once you’re done, you step out to the bank of handwashing stations across from the stalls in the open. You’re never IN the bathroom with others as it’s out in the open.
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There are always gaps in the doors. You can clearly see in the stall from that cut out.
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That seems to be what they are going for here. Instead of using the space as one shared restroom with a hand washing station and 4 stalls, they are converting it into 4 private restrooms, with a shared hand washing station in a "public area" outside the restrooms.
So long as they build actual walls and use actual doors on the
stalls"private restrooms", this isn't a completely terrible idea.
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