Stop whining. Do it yourself.
Stop whining. Do it yourself.
there's no communities for my niche interests!!!
more like "i want a ready-made community where other people already putting effort into posting cool and intersting stuff, and all I want to do is sit on my ass and shower posts generously with """muh upvotes™""""
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As a man whose started 7 different communities I'd like to defend those people saying, if you don't immediately get a good response it starts feeling like screaming into the void.
I started a meme community !aneurysmposting@sopuli.xyz and it immediately took off and is doing well. On the other hand other my worst community got 2-3 people making one or two comments after a month of 2 posts everyday.
Meme communities do well. Niche communities require lots of people finding it and being active.
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But even aneurysmposting, the most successful wouldn't survive if I wasn't regularly posting. Partially bc people just forget a community exists. I end up posting in the same 10-15 communities since I can't think of relevant communities to post in; even if they exist very often.
I enjoy running aneurysmposting and !inmymind@lemmy.dbzer0.com since there only I can post and there is no pressure. It basically is like posting to local, but I have an archive if everything I post.
Similarly !shortstories@literature.cafe is another community I made and enjoy posting on, but my posts are like 50% of that instance and 80% of that community. But its a great community otherwise.
The other 4 have been different levels of disappointing.
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Hey fam, go to !fedigrow@lemm.ee and check out the weekly "How are you doing with your communities?" post if you haven't already. It's like a support group for people keeping niche communities alive.
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I feel you as I too struggled to keep small community afloat and alive. And it sometimes does feel like you are screaming in to the void. I was kinda fortunate in a sense that my community got atleast some trafficin votes/comments and that motivated me to stay and post.
My point is that it's always better to try to do something (even if it fails) than just whine about it.
I also want to salute you (and people like you), we are all here in part because you take time of your day to find\make and post stuff. Even if in the moment it doesen't get noticed or feels like it's in vain, know that it is never for nothing - you're making the hour\day or even week of 100s of people better
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And still, the community I started ( !dontdeadopeninside@lemmy.ohaa.xyz ) somewhat exists alongside it. Although Im afraid you've won.
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Well you started later and used a reddit import as a template which people can be a little averse to. But the community is doing really well and you've taken good care of it. Keep it up mate!
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Absolutely this. I've started a few, and after being the only one to ever post on one of them, I have practically given up. It also burned me out of a hobby.
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This is kind of bullshit. On a big platform, like Reddit, where there are orders of magnitude more users, the likelihood is that there are a good number of people interested in whatever niche topic you want. That's a draw for a lot of people. I left Reddit for Lemmy for good, but we're just not up to that kind of user base.
And it's not zero effort to get a community going and keep it active, especially with a small user base. It's perfectly reasonable for someone to want a place that discusses their niche interest without wanting to be responsible for running that place. It doesn't make them bad or lazy.
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Especially if you didn't have a lot of spare time. With an active community you can just dip into discussions when you have the time. With a community you're trying to establish yourself you absolutely have to provide a steady stream of content until it (hopefully) takes off.
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Right, exactly. And let's not forget that a healthy percentage of all online communities is made of lurkers who don't really want to post at all, but they enjoy reading stuff they're interested in.
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Genuinely... why though? Why not post once a week rather than per day? Or per month? Who is counting? If people want to join then they will, if not then they won't, but either way will one post per day for the last six months make any difference to their decision vs. one post per week?
I am no good at what I do. I try to enjoy it anyway.:-) Do with that what you will.
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You could always go one level up. Like instead of a crochet community and a knitting community you could have a yarn community that incorporates all types of weaving with yarn.
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For sure, though that really doesn't solve the problem. If I'm really into sports-themed shot glasses, making a post in a community for drinking ware, or for sports merchandise, isn't going to mean I get more content about sports shot glasses, and it doesn't increase the number of people on the site who have something to say about them. On a platform with millions of users, there might be enough other people with the same interest to generate a critical mass of content.
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I look at the nfl community here. It really only gets a handful of posts on Sunday and that's it. It blows my mind that there isn't more engagement
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Like another user said, if Lemmy doesn't have the numbers to support the niche communities you want, maybe you need to move one level up the niche.
Like maybe there isn't enough NFL activity on Lemmy yet to keep the NFL community active.... But could there be enough sports fans to keep a sports community active? Could you perhaps settle for sharing a space with NHL, MBL, and/or soccer fans in a community that sacrifices a little bit of specificity for broadness to encourage activity?
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!football@lemmy.world is the same. I'm quite surprised too, but I guess the Lemmy demographics is just not into professional sports
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The epitome of the meme.
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The problem isn't that they won't create them, there's insufficient biomass to populate them.
If I want to talk about a 5-year-old video game with myself, I'll just open Notepad.
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As @Zombiepirate@lemmy.world said in a comment here, we can use general communities to find "biomass needed" to populate small communities
Although I can see the point you are making, and I agree to some extent. I still think it is better to try
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I totally agree, and I did try. It was just some kind of soul reposting things from Reddit and me.
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Feel free to drop a post on !oldgamers@lemmy.world if you want to talk old games.
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!patientgamers@sh.itjust.works has a larger population
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Just how much biomass does a subthread really need?
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Well, the sub in question had one person copying the articles from Reddit and me commenting on them. That was decidedly too few :)
Philosophically, I think you need enough engagement that there's chat at least a few times a week in the group. Anything less than that and it's closer to a search engine result than a community.
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"Why complain about lacking a community when you can create your own ghost town"
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Is there any way we could talk about the niche communities, and promote them all at one place. I know it's already there but I don't remember where, it's clearly a broken system.
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I did. There's almost zero engagement. My most popular thread is a meta narrative about me being in there talking to myself. There were at least two other attempts that are even more inactive. Not enough of y'all are into synthesizers.
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I'd never seen this community before. Subscribed!
I'm terrible at keyboards, but I do like to play with 'em.
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Same! On all those things
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Welcome to the club!
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We need better discoverable tools. I subscribed to the community
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For curiosity, where did you advertise the community? In the "new communities"/"find a community" communities? In music-related communities? Or both?
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Hmm. I made no effort to advertise at all. I came during the Rexodus last year after the API kerfuffle. Initially, it seemed promising, and I didn't think I'd need to, but activity died down quite quickly. I've never moderated a community before or anything like that. I certainly don't want to it to become a full time job. I have enough of those.
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I've moderated communities before. No thanks.
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Yeah the level of effort to keep the community engaged and to moderate the content is a tough job and really only possible for people who are really dedicated.
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On PieFed, although I'm not sure what I think about it, posts with more than one user-defined threshold will get auto-collapsed, and then a second such threshold allows it to be hidden entirely.
So two people with opposing preferences could browse the same community but see it differently. The one wanting to see everything being allowed to do so - rather than that being the arbitrary decision of a mod (team), and the content hidden away in a mod log somewhere else, mostly inaccessible. Whereas the one who didn't want to "waste" their time, and rather trusting the feedback of the community, could have those collapsed or hidden if they so choose.
This allows democratization of the modding process: every voter is equally a mod as the next. Or maybe some trusted members more so than others? (But if so, it can't be TOO much higher than the others, or it could become overwhelming)
The major pitfall I see is if votes are allowed outside of the community, then it's vulnerable to being brigaded easily by a larger outside force.
Still, it's fascinating to see these experiments actually happen in that software that is available right now! e.g. on PieFed.social.
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Making the community doesn't mean it has any activity. There's tons of communities already made for a bunch of niche topics. None of them are being posted in. There's also communities that aren't niches that also lack activity.
!eldenring@lemmy.world only has about 3 active users, not including myself. The DLC is still pretty new and it's a massively popular game.
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Yea, I really want to see Elden Ring community thrive.
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Have you promoted it on !newcommunities@lemmy.world ? Seems strange to have such low activity while !stardewvalley@lemm.ee and !factorio@lemmy.world are quite active
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I wish instead that people would post in the general communities first, then spin off into a new community if there is interest.
Like, we don't need a whole community for the new Dragon Age game or whatever, but we do have a games community that would benefit from the post. Then if there are 20 Dragon Age posts every day it could obviously support it's own community.
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This. All of us Reddit Refugees (me included) fucked up when we arrived and put the cart before the horse. Lemmy is like a small town; you may simply not get all the specific communities you want, but there's probably somebody with a similar enough interest that they'll talk to you about the stuff you like, and they probably have things that you would like to talk about if you saw it. Higher-level categories should do fine unless and until a certain type of content starts to annoy other users by its sheer prevalence.
As someone else said, Lemmy is the niche community.
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So true, we were trying to shape lemmy into reddit so much that we skipped few steps like this which even reddit had to go through.
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Hey speaking of, while !games@lemmy.world is a great example, if you're not finding similar communities for your interest, feel free to post over in !general@lemmy.world for what Zombiepirate's describing.
Hobby without a community around here? Just not really sure if an existing community is open to non-news posts? General's got ya covered.
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!casualconversation@lemmy.world as well
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Maybe the answer is a better search engine to find the communities.
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I don't even know how to find new communities that aren't part of my instance. Is there some place that just lists them by date created?
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Lemmy Explorer will do it...I think. "Newest publish time" sort is what you're looking for, I think.
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That would certainly help.
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whining about whining. classic!
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Can't wait for 0 people to join my Haibane Renmei community that I don't have the experience or patience to mod, nor the understanding of the source material to justify creating it in the first place
ETA: I just searched, and found out one person already has made a Haibane Renmei community. It has one subscriber, the person who made it, who has been inactive since 2022. There are some things that simply can't be replicated in a smaller platform.
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Modding a niche Lemmy community is a breeze, honestly
Not much is happening, but not many troublemakers, either. Modding is pretty much zero effort.
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Post something and see if you can stir up activity?
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Going against the post's spirit, but...If you're not finding a community for your interests (or only finding abandoned/inactive ones), and don't want to create one (or try to get existing ones going), you're welcome over in !general@lemmy.world. Post about whatever, find likeminded folks, then if ya think there's enough of ya, you can make a separate community without it being one person posting into a void.
Also there's !justpost@lemmy.world. Similar vibes.
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This probably has a much higher accuracy rate.
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!casualconversation@lemm.ee can help too
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Who gonna operate the sinkpissers community
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That one comment on the asklemmy post radicalised my man.
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Yeah im furiuos!!!!!!!!!
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i think we'll be feeling the ramifications of that one post for quite a while...
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Which one?
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No one is gonna engage lol
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Doesn't matter. Even if it get only 3 or 4 upvotes still doesn't fucking matter. Just create a community and flood it with content.
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I'd call that a "webpage" though, one with an ill-fitting name. One person with a sandwich board and a megaphone yelling at a few passers by who at best smile, give a half-hearted thumbs up, then walk away.
To me, for it to live up to the name "community" that implies several people sharing stuff and a bit of reciprocity.
Of course that might take time, the first poster might be one of those proverbial people planting those trees that they're never going benefit fron the shade of. Theres no harm in just creating it making a few posts and leaving them there- it might become active eventually. But it could be never and it will inevitably take a lot longer if the platform only has a million users a day total than if it had a billion.
You can probably do some sort of critical-mass / chain-reaction / markov chain type model to get a handle on the chances of a niche community becoming active in small population. Like that 'Drake equation' for trying to stop people wasting resources on SETI.
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How about no, that sounds super depressing
Why would I do that? That doesn't get anyone what they want
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Pretty much what I'm doing at !amiga@sopuli.xyz
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During the initial mass migration from Reddit I got the impression a lot of people were starting communities on Lemmy that had been successful on Reddit but put no effort into them. I'll bet there is a statistic yet to be figured out that says you need a million platform members before you can have enough members to sustain a niche community like c/gothcountry.
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Problem is that Reddit won't let people talk about alternatives, so it's difficult to tell people about it. Lemmy also does not lend itself to following links if you're not logged into that instance. So if you find a link to a community on a different instance you can't comment or engage with it unless you go back through your own instance.
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You can with ! links:
You can also paste a post link in your search bar to find it in your own instance
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Even those that did, remain invisible. This link doesn't work /c/books
Until the link /c/books shows any user, with only one click, the aggregate of all "books" communities in a single place, without subscribing or even logging in. Then lemmy will stagnate because it is failing to live up to its promise of federated decentralization
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Both Mbin and PieFed have "categories", so that you don't need to search for and find communities at all - you can simply join like "memes", underneath "Chillin", and it'll show all of them. You can fine-tune further, but hunting through All can be a thing of the past. So... it's happening, not in Lemmy per se (yet) but in the wider Fediverse it's already here. See it yourself in action at e.g. https://piefed.social/ (3 horizontal bars -> Topics).
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Sure man, lemme just real quick create a whole ass community, spend countless hours striving to attract people and moderate it when these guys try to post some horrifying shit... all that to find the location of the one missing collectible from the game that I'm currently trying to complete.
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And then do that for 15 other things you are into but don't have their own community. So you can go take a dump and scroll through dump-time after which you go back to work. Or alternatively, to managing the 15 communities you now are responsible for.
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The thing is, communities need people. People who post in the community. Most new communities get a few members, a handful of posts, and then just die.
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Counterpoint: Sometimes you can kickstart a community that you want to see just by consistently posting content. !science_memes@mander.xyz is my favourite example -- it was essentially one person who created that entire community (and it's since been diversifying somewhat -- at least there's traction in the comments).
But to reinforce your point: I did !spacemusic@lemmy.ca and tried to do the same thing, but it sort of petered out. But it's way way more niche.
Rome wasn't built in a day. Just engage with the content you like and build some places for content you'd like to see.
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We're complaining because we don't want to be the ones to post, lol.
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A phenomenon I've seen on Lemmy a lot is all of a sudden the All feed will be pages on end of the same user posting in the same community I've never heard of before. They get blocked. Spread that traffic out. You want people to go "oh there's a community for that now" not "Oh my god will you comprehensively shut up?!" Lemmy.nsfw is often guilty of this.
Right now on the community for the Satisfactory game, almost all of the traffic is a guy posting "Day 44 of posting screenshots every day until I get bored." That community is as good as dead. When it's almost entirely one guy's vomit pile, it's as good as dead.
Don't over-post.
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Lemmy is my niche community
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The problem is that the niche community exist. In fact it probably exists several times, one in each instance with a small number of followers. Which makes really hard to go and decide in which community you want to invest.
It's one fundamental problem of federative systems and to be solved some of the federal nature need to be partially given away, but I think is necessary. I propose two solutions:
- Automatic merging of communities. All communities with the same name within a federation are de facto replicated. So a post in any community just replicate in all. It will make it seem like there's only one community.
2 Discourage. Everytime you try to create a community that already exists in other instance a pop up appears that encourage you to just go to the other community. For already duplicated communities messages are sent to concentrate in the biggest one.
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I like it, but that's not the model Lemmy was built around.
It'd be neat if, instead of posting to a community you posted to your instance and tagged your post with a topic, and then instances could contain topic aggregators with moderators that moderated their local view of the topic.
But even that comes with challenges around protection at-risk people like kids, where nobody is fully able to control the discourse around them.
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That popup idea is something that could work, and something that one could suggest on Lemmy's github for implementation.
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Kbin had a cool feature where you could see other subs where a link was reposted to, was great for finding what's active or dead.
Wish that one made it to Lemmy.
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That's already the case on the Lemmy web UI and lost og the apps
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I don't agree with either of those. Just not what federation is. A bettet solution would be to implement a category section that you can edit or automatically parses similar names.
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Yeah I don’t agree with that either considering that any Joe Blow could essentially snipe a community either with an unpopular instance federating and posting garbage (which mods on other instances can’t even remove) or by using a popular instance to create that duplicate community and then posting content there that even more people are likely to see and siphon away from an already established community.
Second option is also a bad idea, the less guardrails the better.
My solution is one I’ve discussed with many people on Lemmy now. What we need are topics or in other words, the ability for reposts on followed communities not to be seen more than once. If that feature also allows for federating the actual repost to where by default all comments to to the same thread, that would be perfect.
This enables people to post to a main community and a niche community at the same exact time without spamming members who follow both communities. Then the main community gets alerted of the niche communities existence and the niche community benefits from the content.
That way we develop this sort of hub system that’s really nice where the general communities like a gaming community aren’t just generic, they feature posts from all niches in that sphere and alert you to new stuff you might enjoy. That’s my rant.
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communities require people. if ur the only one posting its not a community
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If you are consistently posting content there is a high probability others will join
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Like you've been shown that there's no simple answer over and over again here, but one problem I face hasn't been mentioned. What if I want to subscribe to communities that I can't participate in? Not every community is about hobbies, some is people talking about their life which is totally unlike mine and I like to read that. One I always pick as an example is r/arrangedmarriage. I love(d) reading that subreddit to explore a world that is so foreign to me. I'm a white woman from Europe as far removed from marriage as one could be on this earth. Why should someone follow an c/arrangedmarriage I of all people created and mod? Not everyone joins niche communities because they are directly relevant to their life.
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"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder, but don't nobody wanna lift no heavy-ass weights."
Ronnie Coleman
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Can recommend. Sometimes it does really well, sometimes it doesn't. Its worth a try anytime anyways
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Yes! It is worth a try!
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stop lying to yourself. lemmycels only wants linux and american politics
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Fuck outta here with USAmerican politics. That shit is hella mid. Now, American politics though... what Maduro up to nowadays?
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biden kill maduro
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New user here. Where should I create my community? Are there servers or groups or something that I should review first? I don't know the difference between a server and .world or .ml or whatever.
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.world and .ml are servers. I’d recommend choosing a server related to your topic (programming.zone if it’s comp sci related, for example), and try to avoid piling into the largest ones (.world and .ml, etc.).
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Thank you very much for the response
Is reddthat a server? Should all of the communities inside a server be related? I'm asking because I want to create communities but I don't know where it's appropriate to do so. For example, if I want to create a sub for venting about family, is it okay to do that on any server? Or do I have to go digging to find the "correct" server?
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Come to !fedigrow@lemm.ee , it's a community dedicated to community growth
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Making a community also implies moderating it, doesn't it? I would understand that there are people who just want to see and post things they like and not have to be aware of banning users or deleting unwanted posts.
I say that because I am part of those people, moderating content is hard.
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I don't want to say that it is easy, because it is actuall effort you have to put in, but moderating a community, especally if it is very niche and small is not that hard.
I can understand people not wanting to do some stuff, but I much more respect "I don't want to modding so I make a community and ask someone to be with me on a mod team when stuff is going to get overwhelming, and focus on other stuff within community" than "I dont want to do modding so I'm going to just sit there and wait while other people do it for me"
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Thanks! I'm currently going through my hobbies and I'm gonna start posting and subbing to all of them.
You're right, I should be posting more if I want engagement.
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I see this response all the time "create your own if you want to see niche communities and Reddit communities migrate here." Well, if I have the bloody time to moderate, or even if I do, will there be many people? And if there are many people, do I have the time to moderate? What if there are mod bickering and drama?
The question is time. Does anyone else have the time to moderate and put up with BS inevitable with most communities?
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I've been asking for a personal finance community for a while. The only US-based one I've found is on .ml, which...ew. I haven't made one because I do not have the time to mod a big, popular sub like that one will hopefully become.
Buuuuut I got tired of waiting for someone else to do it so I made it: https://lemmy.world/c/personalfinance_us@fedia.io
I'm sure it will be a shitshow but at least I tried.
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Thank you for this!
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This is the lifecycle of internet forums
"I'm sick of this place, I'm going somewhere new!" > "This place is deserted" > "Let's diversify and get more users" > "There are more users but they are all posting content I'm not interested in" > "I'm sick of this place, I'm going somewhere new!"
I've been through at least half a dozen such cycles, it's just a normal part of life when you live vicariously through an ethernet cable. Lemmy will grow, get old, go to shit, and die, and half the population will move somewhere else. Probably Pylon.
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You just reminded me to post in this new community I joined recently, so thank you.
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I don't think there are any" rant" communities?
Lemmy needs that kind of large general topic community to redirect users to smaller niches communities.
I too also wouldn't want to mod it, but I think it'd be great for herding up angry lemmy users sharing the same frustrations, so they could be redirected or start new communities for the particular topic.
The reason is that everyone enjoy reading and writing rants about something, so the rant community will automatically grow many subscribers coming in from all kinds of searches.
For example, a user ranting about "womens pants without pockets" would get much more engagement than someone just creating and posting about a community for womens pants. The rant comment section would also already often include the potential users for a new community.
The general discussion doesn't really cut it, because it's too nice and polite and weird angry rants don't really fit in there.
The thing is that (also in real life) when someone needs something bad enough, they'll get angry, and that anger can be channeled into something useful, because they're willing to collaborate with others who can help them or who at least supports them.
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I mean, that redirection then needs to work. At the moment, nobody in the Movie/TV communities is redirecting me to a specific TV show community saying "hey this exists, you can also post there". Etc etc.
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We have a pinned post on !showsandmovies@lemm.ee , isn't it pinned on your side?
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Well, I've been trying to put some content on !fgc@lemmy.world and !mahjong@lemmy.nerdcore.social, but there's been almost no engagement. I can't imagine it'd be worth even trying to start communities for even more niche topics than that.
Clicking the "Create a Community" button doesn't magically spawn an audience of people who share my hobbies and want to post about them.
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What are you talking about all of you here man! Spending a sec of your time on a community about a subject that you are interested is a really big task for you? That's lame and lazy and shows lack of any vision
You should already brainstorming to make communities more innovative and better than reddit
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And then post it in New Communities and other boards like it to advertise it!
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Then post into the void until some other like-minded degenerate finds you. You need to create the meeting point!
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I will not whine about the lack of this niche community, because both c/Indiana and c/Indiana@midwest.social exist, but boy do I wish they were even close to as active as r/Indiana was when I was on Reddit.
There is just not a good place to discuss state politics that I can find and I learned a lot through discussion.
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Not for free.
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For someone whose major gripe is whining you sure seem to do a lot of it.
I take offense to it because you're suggesting that the problem is us, and not the system which resulted in empty communities
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This did remind me to create a community for the one subreddit I used the most before I left reddit, r/jakeandamir. Thank you, I did that today!
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How do I create a community on Sync? Can't find a button for that.
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Yep, be the change you want to see in the world.
Also, making communities is fun! I made !cartographyanarchy@lemm.ee and it is booming thanks to several lemmings who I got to post consistently. Shout out to thepiccardmanuever.
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Except this link doesn't work properly /c/books , until it does lemmy is broken, the fediverse is broken, lemmy is not really federated.
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Not sure whether you're being facetious or if you genuinely don't know, but you link communities with an exclamation point.
!books
If you want to be absolutely sure you point to a community on a specific instance, just include the instance
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Their other comment elaborates on this more:
Until the link /c/books shows any user, with only one click, the aggregate of all “books” communities in a single place, without subscribing or even logging in. Then lemmy will stagnate because it is failing to live up to its promise of federated decentralization
They want a link like /c/books to work like multireddits did on reddit to collect together books-related communities for improved browsing and discovery.
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That's just /c/books on one server.
When say /c/books, I mean all of them, not /c/books@lemmy.ml
Until then, expect nearly all communities to dry on the vine.
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lol like they'd ever actually upvote.
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Lurkers complain where creators entertain
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Oh but some do create very helpful content like "repost!" comments to help people seeing old content from getting embarrassed by not realizing all discussion about that content has been done already.
Some try to improve stories by adding claims of applause or a famous person offering a sum of money, probably because it's silly to imagine such embellishments and they like joining in on the fun.
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Yes putting in the same amount of effort as the reposter.
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The culture is not conducive here; Lemmings have no chill.
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Create a Community. If I do that who will hold my dick when I wanna take a piss.
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Even though I'm disabled and can't work, I don't have the time or the energy to maintain something like that
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I keep looking where on my local ATM machine that I can exchange internet points to ducats
doubloons would be acceptable likewise as well
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I mean, really, I just want other people to be moderating it even if I'm the only one posting stuff. Ain't nobody got time for dat!
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For real, there are people who will volunteer to do that, to help a community get off the ground. See !fedigrow@lemm.ee.
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Been posting to "Europe" since forever. Still only a fraction of users compared to that other site. About 3000 monthly I believe. Driving engagement is harder than it seems.
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Still good numbers for how big Lemmy is
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I would contribute to my niche community, but my foreskin was severed without my consent, so...
