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Trump allies, private sector quietly prepare for mass detention of immigrants

www.cnn.com /2024/11/07/politics/trump-immigrant-detention-plans/index.html

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Things to remember:

Trump is pledging to round people up immediately.

It takes time to process those people to send them to where you want to send them.

It takes far more time to negotiate extradition treaties with every country from where people have come to the U.S. illegally.

Some countries don't want them back.

There is only one way to deal with all of that: concentration camps. That's the only possible way to do what they want to do.
- All the while instantly and completely removing all the taxes they pay into without benefit in the first place. We are so fucked that this slide into fascism isn’t even a surprise or ignorant of history. We know it’s happening, we are seeing it in real-time.
  
  Of course, if you privatize every social program and close a bunch of government departments, those taxes are less necessary. If people starve in the street? Fuck them for not pulling themselves up by their bootstraps and being born rich.
- Oh, but there are options. Stalin used gulags while Hitler used Zyklon B. You don’t necessarily have to torture undesirable people with just violence, cold and starvation. I’m sure Americans will figure something out. Oh wait, they already have! Remember Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo bay. Just copy, paste and call it a day.
  
  Still waiting to see American presidents in Hague for these atrocities.
  
  I'm talking about options based on what they actually say they are going to do. Obviously, a "final solution" is a possibility as well. They just haven't gone that far with their claims yet.
- Trump is fine with concentration camps. Who is going to staff them? If he forces the National Guard to do it, the people in the National Guard arn't going to be too happy, it's not fun work.
  
  There is no shortage of cops who would happily take a change of jobs in order to beat brown people and maybe also rape them.
  
  Border patrol.
- I think you have to take your citizens back. Eg Venezuela has to take back their Venezuelan citizens.
  
  But yes there's going to be a huge problem proving or accepting they are Venezuelan. I don't know how much paperwork they brought with them.
  
  Extradition treaties have to be negotiated. You can't just stick 50,000 people on a bunch of airplanes to Caracas and drop them off.
- They've already started construction on the camps.
Not that quiet. He was telling everyone he was going to do this.
- Not quiet at all. Miller tweeted openly about it.
As though no one has ever considered the cost to our deficit and impact to our economy that doing this will have. Between this and the tariffs, it would be funny how fast Trump is going to drive the country into the ground, if it weren't so devastatingly sad.
- Oh they have considered the costs, he is going to use them for slave labour , work camps.
Wait are we deporting them or detaining them? Those are different
- Well you detain them before you deport them, then while you are processing them you have them all concentrated....in a camp
- You detain them to fill your for profit jails and you kick the rest out... Simple
  
  Simple, right up until you actually try to enact such a scheme, at which point its logistical infeasibility drives you to liquidating large subsets of the population instead.
  
  It's called the final solution because it wasn't exactly plan A.

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