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Missing a slam-dunk headline

(FYI - the article that the guy is replying to is misinformation. Two commenters have provided snopes links for anyone curious.)

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  • The term "concentration camps" usually doesn't refer to places people volunteer to go to. The headline's clickbait enough as it is.

    • Love how people actually believe that RFK's labor camp plan is voluntary, just because he said "where you can choose to go".

      4 years of hearing Trump and his cohorts lie about literally everything, and you're ready for another 4 of giving them the benefit of a doubt. Truly breathtaking naïveté.

      • Yeah "choose to go" is a euphemism for "parents can decide to send their children against their will"

      • So what you're saying is that the reality isn't bad enough so we need to make shit up and exaggerate everything? Because I disagree with that. I think things are bad enough that you can just be truthful about it, and lying is actually counterproductive because it discredits legitimate criticism.

        Like if you want to talk about concentration camps, we've already got them for undocumented migrants.

        • Camps like this already exist for kids and teenagers, the best example is the Elan school. Though they have been having increased pushback this could be a way to keep them running by including adults. Basically nobody should trust this idea on the base concept, since even if RFK Jr is legit trying to do a good thing with ernest sincerity he is still putting things in place to enable such abuse.

          Also even if it starts out voluntary I garunfuckentee it will be involuntary via court order eventually. It will most likely start as a addict rehab but quickly evolve into a place to shove mentally ill folks into.

          • For illegal drugs, this solution sounds more progressive than prison.

          • OK, but a news article describing what "RFK says" should not say that he says he wants concentration camps when that's not at all what he said. You're free to speculate about what his real intentions might be, but the news has a responsibility to report what he actually said, not their personal opinion of what it might eventually turn into.

            Saying that he said he wants "labor camps" is already taking some wild creative liberties. Like, if I rent a cabin in a campsite and bring my laptop to do some work while I'm out there, is that a "labor camp?" I'm at a camp and I'm doing labor, I guess. But to say that he explicitly called for "concentration camps" is just an outright lie. And it's absolutely wild to me that anyone would want the news to lie to them! You're asking for the press to be more sensationalist, and judging by the downvotes, that's just majority opinion here.

            Some of us actually take the risks seriously and need to have accurate threat modelling. I have no patience for this game of making stuff up to get mad about.

            • Fair enough, hence why I outlined my actual threat modeling. This shit historically has a pretty straightforward progression.

              I said nothing about concentration camps on purpose as well for just that reason. But yeah I wont take Captain Brain worm on his word, at best he is honest and just ignorant to what will happen with them at worst he is lying.

              Anyways I was just pointing out that we really shouldn't take him at his word. That doesnt mean taking active action, it just means dont believe him. Though I do agree that folks calling it a concentration camp are risking watering down the actual issues that will most likely arise, after all if all their doing is waterboarding folks when you expect gas chambers it makes it seem less horrific.

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