Fediverse @lemmy.world Wu9fee @lemmy.ca 1y ago

lemmy.ml and hexbear.net has been banned in China

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/6763330

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/6763328

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/6137607

now users must use VPN for login lemmy.ml

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I'm not happy with this development, but I'm slightly amused by the irony being that lemmy.ml is pro-china and has been moderated as such.
- Hexbear might as well be the CCP propaganda wing, this development is fucking hilarious
- I was curious what lemmy.ml has to say about this but it seems the linked post was deleted in the meantime 🤡
  
  It's my fault. I signed up for it before I realized it was a pro China instance and the other day I said I'm not a Communist.
  
  The poster was banned for trolling but I saw a comment showing that it is real.
  
  I recently commented on !memes@lemmy.ml in a post that shouldn't have been there about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and instead of removing the post they removed my comment while lying about the reasons, and the modlog is full of those.
  
  All of lemmy.ml should be considered suspect, and I'm not sure if lemmy itself shouldn't be as well - anonymous voting, comments removed from communities are also removed from personal user profiles on your user host, no warning when your comments are removed ... it's basically everything that was rife for abuse with reddit, except handed to developers who get the first say about where lemmy is heading who clearly have fringe questionable political biases.
  
  It's funny, because from lemmy.ml on a clean session, I'm not seeing the same politically charged posts being prioritized as I'm seeing on lemmy.world to their platform ... I'm considering switching to my kbin.social account - which begs the question, shouldn't there be an option to migrate user accounts between servers?
- I don't understand why the pro China tanked subs would get banned but not the rest.
  
  Even China is embarrassed. You ever had someone defend you but really poorly? Ya.
  
  They might spread western ideas of communism in China. That’s not something China can allow.
- Right? I and others were also banned from talking about China and Uyghurs on world news on lemmy.ml
  
  https://lemmy.world/post/5697017
- Is there really any irony? China has troll factories operating on popular factories like Twitter and Facebook, and those are banned in China as well.
- How is lemmy.ml pro china?
  
  ML stands for Marxist leninist, which means they love authoritarian regimes that don't like the US. The number of them that unironically stan Stalin is baffling.
The great misunderstanding of hard left leaning western folks is that neither Russia nor China are socialist or communist.

Just like their hard right leaning counterparts they’re stuck in a mindset from the first half of the past century.
- They don't really believe Russia is socialist to any degree, they just support it because it (supposedly) opposes the western hegemony, USA/NATO, etc.
  
  Basically the same logic as that of pro-Russian right-wingers.
  
  I had a bunch of hexbear and ml's tell me russian war crimes in Berlin were "Nazi myths". Apparently the Nazis had more influence over the world of historical academia after they lost than Russia.
  
  Also other allied war crimes did happen and weren't Nazi myths.
- Supporters of autocratic state capitalist regimes like China and Russia also aren't left-leaning.
  
  Idk, just last week I overheard a report of an old communist whose life wishes were to visit Vietnam, Kuba and Russia.
  
  Not truly sctosmen either.
  
  They are, they're just ignorant
- I think I'm confused. I haven't seen any left leaning people support Russia or China. It's right leaning people that support them. What am I missing? Also I've never seen any left leaning people say Russia and China are actually socialist or communist since the 80s or 90s. I've seen right leaning people claim that lefties believe that but never any examples in real life.
  
  Left and right is not a defined group, it’s a name and any group can pretend/think they belong to it.
  
  The most support for China is basic materialist analysis: they've heavily invested in housing, high speed rail, electric car infrastructure, and green energy. Coincidentally: all rather related.
  
  But that is generally the support associated with China: a materialist analysis, usually, if not always, regarding infrastructure.
- Depends which hard left, I know hard/far left people who hate them
- In Russia and China
  
  The poor get Communism
  
  The rich get Capitalism
- Pro politolog here
This is too funny. What a great post to wake up to lmfao.
China*

Please stop saying "mainland China". It implies Taiwan is part of China, at least to some.
- Please stop saying “mainland China”. It implies Taiwan is part of China, at least to some.
  
  It means without Hong Kong.
  
  Mainland China refers to China sans Hong Kong and Macao, yes. Because you have to distinguish and "Mainland China" is a whole lot less typing than "China but without Hong Kong and, oh yeah, Macao too".
  
  Hong kong also isn't part of china
- The official name of Taiwan's government is Republic of China, and it's the continuation of the government that controlled all of China before Mao's uprising.
  
  So I'm not sure your argument makes sense. They claim to be the legitimate Chinese government in their own name.
  
  Outside of that very specific context, China == PRC. I understand the history of Taiwan very well, and it's important for people to understand that they are two different countries.
  
  They claim to be independent, the name is something given to them by (you guessed it) China.
- Sorry I only copied the title
  
  You can still edit it.
- I also read it to mean not HK. Is that not right?
  
  Not HK and Hong Kong.
  
  Also some people in Hainan will refer to the "mainland" as opposed to Hainan island.
  
  It turns out words can be used in multiple ways. It's not all about Taiwan.
- Hong Kong is part of the PRC but it doesn't apply the same rules of censorship. It's also not part of the Mainland.
Guess they're not tankies then.
- Not tankie enough*
  
  This is hilarious to me. I haven't really had much opportunity to interact with them before so just today I got into a discussion about how Americans weren't the most propagandized people in the world because N Korea exists. Apparently NK is a pretty cool place and I just refuse to believe it bc I'm a propagandized American (oh sorry, they say USian for some reason).
lmfao the Xinny the pooh boot suckers are banned from their favourite dictatorship?
Leopards ate tankies' faces!
I tested two services that supposedly allow you to check if a site is blocked in China. I don't know with certainty how accurate these tools are in general, but I can say they gave me consistent results for lemmy.ml, hexbear.net, and lemmy.ca. Hexbear and lemmy.ml register as blocked, while other instances go through.

https://www.comparitech.com/privacy-security-tools/blockedinchina/

Results: lemmy.ml, hexbear.net, lemmy.ca, lemmy.world

https://www.vpnmentor.com/tools/test-the-great-china-firewall/

Results: lemmy.ml, hexbear.net, lemmy.ca. Lemmy.world could not be parsed using this tool, perhaps due to not being set to work with that TLD.
Not lemmygrad though, how odd
- Lemmygrad hasn't been spotted yet. When it is spotted, it will be blocked as well, like literally every social media site that reaches the authoritarians' awareness.
So two of the more tankie instances got banned in China.
The original post on lemmy.ml has been removed by the mods with this justification:

Removed Post lemmy.ml has been banned in China mainland reason: Not a question

Source: https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemovePost
- What community was in posted at? I hate how these post URLs don't show the community in the URL.
  
  EDIT: The modlog is interesting. Very sporadic activity up until a few days ago, and then the mod is cleaning up posts, comments, getting rid of moderators, etc.
  
  It was in AskLemmy iirc. Which, yeah, definitely the wrong place to post that.
  
  No idea. It's indeed very annoying that the links don't show the community.
Critical support for the comrades in China for having to put up with those instances for so long.
That's fucking hilarious, if true.
Common China internet L.
- This is a China W
"Papa China is just gonna go buy some milk, lemmy.ml, you're in charge, don't let hexbear use the stove or any knives while I'm out!"

[disappears forever]
Ironic.
LMAO that's hilarious
💀
Heh. Ironic.
Must be doing something right.
- That's my stance.
Are there any lemmy instances within China? 🤔
- Lemmy.world still works
It was only a matter of time
抱歉 - 這可能是我的錯
- Some idiots out there think this meme is racist. Lol.
- 我的錯
  
  你TMD做了什麼??? :^)
  
  我可能發布了 XI 的視訊聊天記錄...

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