Israel's siege of Gaza is illegal, EU says
Israel's siege of Gaza is illegal, EU says
"Cutting water, cutting electricity, cutting food to a mass of civilian people is against international law," said EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell in Muscat.
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"Israel has a right to self-defence, but it has to be done within international law ... cutting water, cutting electricity, cutting food to a mass of civilian people is against international law," said EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell on Tuesday (10 October).
He repeated the view more than once in his press briefing. "The Palestinian people are also suffering," he added.
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. This cycle of violence and repression needs to stop.
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It's not an eye for an eye though. Israeli atrocities over the decades dwarf what has been inflicted upon them by Palestine and Hamas.
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That's the point. The game is to be the last man standing with at least partial vision.
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It is a pretty clown face move to attach those that supply your water, electricity and fuel.
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That's slave mentality, dude
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The only way this ends if Israel entirely consumes Palestine and the Gaza Strip. It's is a horrible and violent solution, and it's not the answer anybody wants to hear. But after 50+ years, the two sides haven't reached anything close to a peaceful solution, and the situation just continues to fester.
If Israel ends up doing some damage and then leaves Palestine alone again, it's just going to be exactly the same bullshit it's always been. No treaty, no peace, no resolution, same old shit.
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The Final Solution, eh?
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By that logic, the other way this ends is the dissolution of israel.
They cant seem to stop themselves from murdering and pillaging their neighbors, right? So they have to go. Right? Thats matching your logic just fine.
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they really could have just left them alone. It would have been exactly the same result with the Palestinians blaming those in Palestine for their issues.
instead they meddle and build illegal settlements.
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Found the Zionist
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Good luck stopping a millennia old feud
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Hamas can surrender and they'll get water immediately. I don't see why Israel has to give them anything while their soldiers get killed during the takeover
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Israel isn’t just denying Hamas water, they are denying Palestinians water. That includes children and infants and uninvolved innocents.
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Have they considered not trying to take over land that isn't theirs?
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Few people are worried about hamas. The concern is for the women and children. The people with no say in any of this. It's not a crime to refuse to resupply an enemy, it is a crime to starve innocent people.
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Same rhetoric as German occupiers claiming that they would not execute civilian hostages as long as Resistance fighters would give themselves up. Sorry for the Goldwyn point but you made it a low hanging fruit.
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There's a reason they're fighting. If you wanna know what it is, take a look at the West Bank.
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You are talking about an area of the world that is nearly 50% children.
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Eye for an eye is a misunderstood quote.
It actually means tolerance.
It means you can only take what was taken from you.
The Middle East has always had an issue with being barbaric. It was intent to mellow it out.
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Get this racist bullshit outta here, the middle east is literally one of the cradles of civilization and throughout its history has been a place of tolerance and learning, the barbarity overwhelmingly comes from the outside
You're also using an example of one of the earliest law codes we know to show barbarity, fucking unreal
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The UN and EU consider lots of things Israel does illegal. We just don't do anything about it and they don't care.
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This is true. But it is also because there isn't a much better alternative.
The Palestinians don't have a Nelson Mandela, MLK or Mahatma Gandhi kind of person that the western world can rally around and support.
Like, I'm sitting here at home in Europe, thoroughly disapproving of Israel, while being also fully disgusted by what Hamas did.
And I understand why Palestinians fight. I can understand that they can't be fully pacifist and that they don't have the capability to wage a normal war, so they result to asymmetric warfare.
But if they had just cleanly killed or kidnapped the adults and spared the children, that would have been the minimum to not fully alienate a lot of people who are sympathetic to their cause.
I guess Yasser Arafat was the best they had and it only went downhill after that.
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The problem I have with the "both sides" argument is while I agree we should not approve of Hamas' actions, Israel routinely murders civilians without consequence. We tut and tsk but we still send them basically unlimited aid and approval.
Yes both sides behave badly but one side does so with our explicit support.
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They dont need a Palestinian Mandela to stop military and civil aid and cooperation when Israel commits war crimes.
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The UN condemns Israel as a pastime activity. Nobody in Israel cares what they say at this point.
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Because they are the West’s military outpost in the Middle East A
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I guess sanctions only make sense when Israel is out of the picture.
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Obviously illegal. Collective punishment is a war crime and makes Israel a monster. Imagine if there was a murderer in your building and the feds blew the entire building up.
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Israel is willingly lead by a monster.
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"The only democracy in the Middle East"
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Didn't you just describe Putin's warm up run in the late ninties?
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Remember when they did this?
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As is punishing all Russian passport holders for the action of the government. So it's either both EU and Israel are monsters or neither is.
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As a punished Russian living in Lomonosov, let me explain you what has changed for us since this "punishment" started:
Absolutely nothing.
(Oh, yes, Coke bottles are now green, instead of red.)
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This is not valid in all cases as I know multiple Russians and those living in EU continue to do so with no issue and those living in RU say it doesn't affect them. You can even find interview with random RU citizens in RU and they all say it doesn't affect them or that they want to attack UA BC Nato boarder is too close.
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Oh I love allegories. Let me try.
Imagine there was a murderer in your building. But he is not really interested in murdering you, he keeps shooting at some other people you also hate. The feds have tried to go into the building to extract the murderer, but his friends and you lynched the feds when they tried. The murderer has stockpiled his guns in the building and the feds figure that if they can't get to the murderer at least they can destroy his guns and vantage point from which he is firing at people. They don't really want to destroy the building but the murderer is actively trying to kill people and the people he is trying to kill demands action.
You receive a text message that the building you are in will be destroyed shortly. You want to leave, but now the murderer says he will kill you if you do.
It is a very silly thing to think that having a "civilian" stay in a legitimate military target ( rocket launcher and or rocket storage ) makes it a place that is untouchable!
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Pure shite.
Just say you hate brown people.
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Well, no shit. And nothing will be done about it.
Not directed at OP
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Israel's actions are a direct consequence of what Hamas did," Borrell's spokesman had said in Brussels earlier the same day.
Uhh, I think you meant to say "Hamas' actions are a direct consequence of what Israel has been doing to Gaza"
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You really wouldn't gather this by looking at the media churn. It's pro Israel to with it's foot to the floor. If you dare voice distention, you are labeled to be an anti Semite. This successful tactic has been a go to for years. For Israel to know true peace, they need to dump its current leadership. I won't see this happen in my lifetime.
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It both is the case. But it should be really obvious to anyone that even a horrific terrorist attack doesn't just absolve Israel from international law.
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"Jungle" Borell still in peak colonialist form.
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Jesus Christ. 1200 civilians died. You are actually impossible
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Every single one of you anti-Israel pieces of shit on this site need to burn. You are worse than evil. Absolute garbage that needs to be taken out.
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No. You’re confused. Hamas is a terrorist society, Israel is not. You do not kill hundreds of innocent people and blame it on oppression.
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I'm all for open discussions. But.... shouldn't one know the basic facts on a topic before seemingly expressing an opinion on the matter? You clearly need to take an unbiased look at the situation.
You do not kill hundreds of innocent people and blame it on oppression.
The oblivious irony of such a statement.
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No, you kill thousands of innocent people and say they were terrorists or helping terrorists.
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You obviously dont know your history. This all started when Britain made shady deals with a bunch of countries during the first world war. And even before that Israel was on that land before there was ever a Palestine.
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Palestinians have been living there for hundreds of years, it is their home. The Isreali settlers started showing up 70 years ago and forced the inhabitants out of their houses. Do you seriously think that Jewish people deserve that land because of the religion of its inhabitants in ancient roman times?
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The EU may support Israel, but right now they're calling them out for this bullshit and I'm applauding them for that. Hurting innocent civilians is never a good idea no matter which side of the conflict does it.
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I just noticed that the replies have turned into a crap ton of arguing.
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It angers me how many people are now permanently displaced. From what I've seen, the numbers are going to be extremely high. How do you rehouse an entire city? Families are going to suffer many hardships because of this. I can't think of a better way to recruit a new generation for an age old cause.
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A splinter in my mind has been spawned because of this.
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The Palestinian government attacked their neighbor and took hostages. Their neighbor then stopped supplying Palestine with resources.
It seems Israel is aiming for the best case scenario here, which is for the people of Palestine to overthrow the death cult that controls their state.
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That's called collective punishment, and is a war crime.
They're not really neighbors. Gaza is more like a prison controlled by Israel. Israel has controlled Gaza's electricity, food, water, and the movement of its citizens for many years. I believe even before this attack, Israel only allowed Gaza 4 hours of electricity per day.
Also, in 2019, the PM of Israel reportedly laid out a strategy to "bolster" Hamas and provide them funding to oppose the Palestinian Authority. Hamas, in its current form, would not have been possible without Israel creating the perfect conditions for terrorist organizations to thrive. Israel keeps the conditions so bad, the average age in Gaza is 18. So, half of those Palestinian death toll numbers we are seeing are likely children.
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Gaza doesn’t have any oil so nobody will help.
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So was the blockade. and they did nothing about it . bunch of spineless hypocrites
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- What is the EU going to do without the US’s approval? UN is out due to permanent security member’s veto power. Going against the USA means loss of a lot of things. Some of them crucial. They literally cannot do a single thing without losing a major thing that directly impacts their citizens.
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Not everything is about the US, you know, EU-internal politics regarding Israel are quite complicated.
I don't think we managed to officially ban products out of settlements yet but I don't see them anywhere for the simple reason that they have to be labelled as settlement products, not "Made in Israel". Israel threw a pretty fit over that, usually EU action (besides stern letters) takes the form of annoying the Israeli right by helping Palestinians.
Going against the USA means loss of a lot of things.
...none of which the EU can't replace. We've been in plenty a trade war, you're welcome to look up how those ended.
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hypocrites?
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I'm surprised they haven't used phosphorus on Gaza yet.
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Well they have in the past https://www.hrw.org/report/2009/03/25/rain-fire/israels-unlawful-use-white-phosphorus-gaza
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By just having the power to cut water, electricity and food to other ethnic should ring you a fucking bell deep to your throat about the problem!!!
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Wait! I know what Borrell will do: expel Israel from Eurovision! That will serve them right and start behaving!
I don't expect much more from anything leaded by Borrell. We know him well in Spain.
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Wtf is israel in Eurovision?
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Because they're an EBU member and the EBU includes the whole Mediterranean, have a map. The reason the Arab states don't compete in Eurovision isn't because they're not allowed to, but because Israel participates. Morocco and Lebanon even are founding members, Israel joined in 1957 (look under "past members" Israel switched organisations in 2017).
Australia got special dispensation to participate even though they're only an associated member because they've been nuts about the contest for ages, constantly hitting very high viewer numbers.
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For some reason they are members of the European broadcasting union
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Yes, and Australia is as well. :D
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I'm going to be real, I doubt they can even muster the will to write a strongly worded letter with the kinds of members who make up the EU.
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and then they won't do anything.
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Blocking neccesities for civiliana like water is a war crime. Encircling enemy state after it lanched offensive to yours is not, otherwise e.g. allies pushing Nazis all the way back to Berlin was also crime.
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Israel claims that Hamas is not a legitimate government and definitely not a state. They claim and control the territory of Gaza and consider Hamas a terrorist organization.
So by their own definition, this is a
war crimecrime against humanity.
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Oh no. I guess they're going to have to arrest Israel.
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Maybe we could start by texting them a frowny face?
That should get the point across.
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There’s a big board that the EU has and Israel has a thumbs down sticker.
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There’s a big board that the EU has and Israel has a thumbs down sticker.
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"Do unto others as others have done unto you.". -- Israel
That was not the best takeaway, but here we are.
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Palestine cut off Israel's water and electricity?
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I was thinking of when the Nazis put the Jews in ghettos and submitted them to harsh military rule, constant abuse, starvation and poverty. The mental gymnastics that Israel has to do to justify the equivalent treatment of others is staggering.
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Much like that UN report classifying Israel's action against Palestinians as Apartheid (which is criminal in international law), much will be said and very little will be done about this. The state of Israel has been going against international law and agreements for almost its entire existence: see its support for illegal colonies and the walling and ghettoization of the West Bank and Gaza. Israel's government has confidence that the US and NATO won't do anything to stop their criminal actions against Palestinians because that is what they've been doing for the last half century. They will continue to coddle Israel until it fulfills its goal of completely exterminating or expelling Palestinians from the land between the river and the sea, forging a state with a single ethnicity, culture and religion out of Palestine.
PS: just before anyone claims it: no, I do not support gratuitous acts of terrorism by Hamas, just as I don't support Israel's terrorism against Palestinians. All I'm trying to do is point out the historical context of the current conflict, so that nothing is distorted.
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Stand up to Zionists!
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Why are they not sending wepons to Palestinians?
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To what end?
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Because Israel destroying HAMAS or Palestine doesn't threaten EU. Yet.
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Because the very same article shows the EU most certainly doesn't like Hamas.
His condemnation of Israel's behaviour came after three days of EU rhetoric that had focused on the "utterly inhuman … shocking … barbarous" nature of Hamas' atrocities, while highlighting Israel's rights rather than its obligations.
He pledged his staff would conduct a swift review of EU aid to Palestine to make sure no money ended up with Hamas via error or deception.
Stopping aid to ordinary Palestinians would be "the best present we could give to Hamas and it would jeopardise our interests and partnerships in the Arab world," he added.
"We want to make sure that, beyond UNRWA, the EU budget does not get to any organisations which has any ties, any links to Hamas," he said.
EU sending weapons is not a matter of who is defending or attacking, only a matter of who they like
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Of course, i was (rhetorically) asking our resident EU shills which claims EU is follwing some kind of beningn international policy.
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Biden and the US have delivered and promises more military aid for Israel. What death toll do we want here? https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-speaks-with-israels-netanyahu-us-monitors-situation-2023-10-11/
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Probably as much as possible, especially that Netanyahu is known for unhinged hate and slander for Palestinians and Biden now just repeats it after him.
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So they can cut off the heads of more Jewish babies?
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Like clockwork, libs parroting the most blatant propaganda.
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Is it UNWRA or UNRWA or are they two different agencies because wow with this article.
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No you don't understand, what is Israel supposed to do when Palestine does that?
But don't you wonder why Palestine is doing that in the first place? It's because Israel did that thing before.
But Israel did that thing because Palestine did that other thing
But Palestine had no option but to do that because of what Israel did months before
But Israel had done that because of years of that
But how is that Palestine's problem? They only did that because what else would've they done?
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Hamas should buy some nukes. Let's get the Flame Deluge going already!
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Drop a nuke directly on that temple/mosque site they all argue about. End of story. Everyone loses.
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It is war.
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More specifically,
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