@mike They have a more collectable version of a digital mtg client: MTGO.....

@andrew I'm concerned the deck is going to be a hot mess. How can one make all these win con's viable?

@mike The level of cryptic used makes me believe they are probably printing some with just changed art in the Marvel sets. And others will have UW treatments.

It may not even be settled which is going to have which done to it.

@counterspell another idea to shake it up a bit: the price limit is for cards with that name in you deck: one copy if it is 50c, two copies if it is 25c, etc.

Could even allow for going over 4 cookies for truely chaff cards

@counterspell Lemmy not federating post content does make things annoying

@counterspell nope. Deleting and reposting ;)

@counterspell another idea to shake it up a bit: the price limit is for cards with that name in you deck: one copy if it is 50c, two copies if it is 25c, etc.

Could even allow for going over 4 cookies for truely chaff cards

@andrew Elsewhere a friend dup up: it was in the earnings call.

So yeah, this directly contradicts WotC's position that they know how much to print. WotC just flat lying to us.

@andrew Anyone know where Hasbro has said this? As it obviously goes against WotC saying they know how to predict how much to print....

@nokturne213 @mike We are? Oh, I hadn't realised that :(

@itsJoelle @SlippiHUD 3D printers are very bad at making mtg cards ;p

@luxyr42 @mike It gives a ceiling, not a floor or average power level.

Treating such system as not informing deck building is ignoring human behaviour. People will avoid including a single card from a higher tier than they enjoy playing. Unless it is worth bringing up in Rule 0 conversations and explaining that it isn't a good way to think about this deck in particular.

And players will treat a single card from +1 tier more kindly than they will treat a tier 1 deck including a tier 4 card.

@mike @MysticKetchup original goal isn't really an important number. It's just a number that below there they are better off not doing it. 30k is a useful amount of money, but plenty ends up at the printers and not in Phil's pocket.

@nexguy @MysticKetchup That is valid for insular play groups, it doesn't work at conventions. And only partially works at stores, they can be a mixed bag.

@Evu @mike I know of unicorn decks that sol ring is bad in, but they are so unusual they only demonstrate the truth.

@MysticKetchup best PT ever.

It gave a lot of people hope of being great

@Semjaza At least there the were trying to straight nerf. And going from +1/+1 to +1/-1 is a nerf, just not on *that* card

@Semjaza the history of untested changes breaking is long. Skullclamp is another example

@Spzi opperating in fear of a too strong card leads to boring sets. But it is the right way to do the changes that don't get tested.

@andrew @Evu any process will have changes that occur without testing. Unless the process is willing to miss shipping dates.

I think the design crime with Nadu was the fear of shipping a bad card after nerfing the card. Not realising the modification was risky is something professionals should know: novel abilities are risky.