politics @lemmy.world SanctimoniousApe @lemmings.world 2w ago

BI: AOC asked voters why they backed her candidacy and Trump's reelection. They said the economy and Gaza.

I've often assumed Harris didn't want to insult her boss by going against him, because I got the impression she was planning to give Netanyahu what for once she took over - especially with him escalating things further and further. Did anyone else get that vibe, or was it just wishful thinking on my part?

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- Once she was selected as the nominee she could have said anything she wanted. She’s only VP for a few more months.
  
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  Are you suggesting that its illegal for the VP to publicly disagree with the President?
  
  It's total bullshit
  
  When Obama drew a line in the sand on Israel/Palestine, Biden publicly and repeatedly told any journalist who would listen that the only way to deal with Israel is give them everything they want.
  
  If Kamala can't do it now, Biden couldn't have done it then.
  
  Instead he got rewarded with the party backing another presidential run despite him always performing terribly.
  
  It sure as shit looks like it helped his career when he disagreed with the president as a VP
  
  But "moderates" will always bend over backwards to defend pulling the party right when anyone left of Richard Nixon tries to move the Overton window suddenly it's the end of the world.
  
  There's no logical consistency to it, just saying what makes them sound right in the moment.
  
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  By that logic any presidential candidate would be banned from disagreeing with the president on active foreign policy issues which is absolutely not true. There's no legal reason why the VP can't disagree with the president.
  
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  Because your explanation didn't demonstrate why that matters. Any candidate's position can jeopardize ongoing negotiations if its contrary to the current admin.
  
  The VP is very much at liberty to sabotage the current admin. There's illegal ways to do it sure. Like if Harris said "Bibi openly admitted on a confidential line that he's doing genocide." That might be illegal because it was confidential. But she could say "I think Bibi is doing genocide. Biden doesn't, but I think he's wrong". That wouldn't violate any laws, even if it did effect negotiations. Remember the VP is an elected position, not a cabinet member. The president can't fire them.
  
  If you're just speculating then its baseless speculation. You might be right, but you'll have to point to an actual law to prove your point.
  
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  You continue to not cite anything but your own baseless speculation and now you're blatantly misquoting me in bad faith.
  
  That might be illegal because it was confidential.
  
  That wouldn’t violate any laws, even if it did effect negotiations
  
  Fuck off.
  
  Negotiations. Ha.
  
  Biden wasn't negotiating shit.
  
  She literally can. There’s absolutely nothing preventing any member of the government from lying for any reason, no matter what, unless they’re on the stand. Campaigning is not a court room.
  
  she receives classified info because she's the backup in case the president dies, not because Biden allows it or controls it. You are simply making stuff up and dont understand the role of VP at all.
  
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- Your boss can still fire you or make your life miserable if you openly trash the job (s)he’s doing.
  
  Yeah, but her boss is Biden...
  
  The worst that would happen is some journalist reports he mumbled something under his breathe.
  
  If he wouldn't do more about Bibi and Republicans, why would he do more if he didn't like what Kamala said?
  
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  The State Department
  
  Blinken?!
  
  Next you'll say Garland is going to finally do something lol
  
  I seriously wonder where y’all come up with the notion that the Vice President can simply tell the President of the United States to go fuck himself.
  
  She can disagree with him on policy.
  
  It's not normal but Biden literally did it with Obama about Israel's abuse of the Palestinian people.
  
  How would this be any different?
  
  You're getting downvoted because your understanding of the government is just made up. The vice president is an elected position, not an employee of Biden and not under some legal obligation to not contradict him. Until the Twelfth Amendment the vice president was just the person who got the second-most votes, often an actual opponent of the president.
  
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  JFC, don't posture like this when you're just guessing about how things work:
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
  
  The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President...
  
  It's two separate votes. Presidents and vice-presidents running as a combined ticket is custom, but the vote in the electoral college is separate votes and doesn't need to conform to the wishes of the president, and both the president and vice president are elected positions.
  
  https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/15407/can-the-vice-president-of-the-united-states-be-fired
  
  And to respond to your edit, you'll note how that says "outside of those enumerated in the Constitution". The VP just does senate stuff and succeeds the president if needed, but the president can give them other tasks to perform, just like they can give any random person in their administration. Those are at the discretion of the president, not the vice president's position.
  
  They're just making excuses because they were happy with how Harris didn't change on Gaza.

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