Fellow Americans, which family member are you not looking forward to seeing for Thanksgiving that you know will bring up politics?
Fellow Americans, which family member are you not looking forward to seeing for Thanksgiving that you know will bring up politics?
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LoL. It’s wild that you wrote this thinking you were making a good point. You really think you’re not also fascists, while arguing there’s acceptable degrees of genocide support?
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It never amazes me how many people think that "genocide" is a black and white, binary thing. Genocide is committed by people, and those people, in this case, are doing it at the behest of their government. That government is almost wholly dependent on the approval and support of the United States.
Up until now, Israel has committed an incredible number of atrocities against the Palestinian people, and against people who are there to help them (aid workers, UN employees, etc.) They have been rebuked for many of these, albeit in a very ineffectual way, by the Biden government. Even though Biden (and Harris by extension) support Israel's aggression towards the Palestinians, they are queasy about any Israeli action that is too blatantly genocidal. This, of course, has not stopped Israel from genociding, but it has slowed them down to a certain degree.
Trump has no such compunctions against genocide. He is, in fact, a full-blown cheerleader for it. The person he wants to appoint to be the ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee, had this to say:
There’s really no such thing as a Palestinian... that’s been a political tool to try and force land away from Israel. There’s no such thing as a settlement. They’re communities, they’re neighborhoods, they’re cities. There’s no such thing as an occupation.
As riled up as you are about Biden's Israeli policy, I challenge you to find any statement by anybody in the Biden administration that is anywhere near that level of pro-genocide.
If you're rolling your eyes at the comparison between genocide supporters, I want to remind you of something: there are still millions of Palestinian people who are alive right now, today. Under either US government, those people are facing potential extermination at Israel's hands. The difference is that one government wants Israel to slow down, and the other government wants them to speed up. Trump being president means that more Palestinian people will die, end of story. Additionally, there is zero chance that any form of government asylum will be granted to Palestinians fleeing Israeli violence under a Trump government.
So, no. There is no acceptable degree of genocide, and that's not what I was arguing. But there are degees of genocide, and voting for someone who wants to turbocharge it is materially worse than voting for someone who wants to slow it down.
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You seem to be confusing feelings about genocide with actual material outcomes. It really doesn’t matter if a president enthusiastically sends billions in arms, or feels “queasy” doing it. The same number of people die. And it’s illegal either way.
You people are psychotic.
And if you think Biden felt bad about arming the genocide, you are not at all familiar with his record. There are many hours of archival footage of him calling for exactly this on the senate floor for years. You just bought into the PR.
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The same number of people die.
The entire point of what I wrote in my last response to you is: "no. The same number of people don't die. That's a completely ridiculous supposition". Trump being president means that more people will die. As I said in my last response (that you either failed to read, or failed to understand), it is not a binary thing. It's not as if a genocide, once started, must be seen through to completion.
And if you think Biden felt bad about arming the genocide, you are not at all familiar with his record.
I would wager any amount of money that I am far more familiar with his record than you are. Biden isn't preventing the genocide because he values the existence of the Israeli state more than he values the lives of the Palestinians, but that doesn't make him immune to worrying about America's image internationally, and that doesn't make him completely numb to the atrocities. The same cannot be said about Trump, hence the entire dialog up to this point.
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So now we’re down to you just blatantly making shit up based on the vibes.
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I would very much like you to point out what I made up.
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What are you basing your ‘more will die under Trump’ claim on?
Why would anyone think Biden isn’t numb to atrocities? He has supported atrocities his entire career. Even White House counsel advised him he was breaking the law by continuing to arm the genocide. Hard to claim he did so reluctantly, after he’s spent years calling for leveling Gaza.
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What are you basing your ‘more will die under Trump’ claim on?
History? Simple observation? Common sense? Take your pick.
Let's start with history; let's take the most famous example of genocide in the 20th century - the holocaust. It was a horrific example of the marriage of brutal efficiency with abject dehumanization, and it cost more than 10 million people their lives, roughly 6 million of whom were Jewish, and who were the primary targets of it.
The Nazis, though they were brutal, thorough, and efficient killers, did not kill all of the Jews. The fact that people survived that most abysmal display of human cruelty is proof enough that once a genocide is started, it's not automatically seen through to the end. In the case of the holocaust, it was eventually stopped when the allies beat Germany back from most of Europe. If the Nazis were less gung-ho about killing people, far fewer Jews, Romani, homosexuals, invalids, and other people they considered undesirable would have been murdered.
The rate at which a genocide occurs matters.
Why would anyone think Biden isn’t numb to atrocities?
The things he's said? The actions he's taken? The fact that there's no real indication that he's a psychopath? Again, take your pick. Let's give you an example of something he's done. In February of this year, the Biden administration released a memorandum that required the state department and the department of defense to ensure that countries that are the target of military aid (read Isreal) are providing assurances that they are adhering to international human rights laws. In October, they sent a letter demanding that Israel improve the humanitarian situation in Gaza, including asking for "urgent and sustained actions by [their] government this month to reverse this trajectory."
Obviously, they have not stopped, and obviously, we have not stopped providing military aid. But I never said that we were. I said that he was reluctant, and this demonstrates that reluctance.
So, both of those things are answered. What else have I "made up"?
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