What are you basing your ‘more will die under Trump’ claim on?

History? Simple observation? Common sense? Take your pick.

Let's start with history; let's take the most famous example of genocide in the 20th century - the holocaust. It was a horrific example of the marriage of brutal efficiency with abject dehumanization, and it cost more than 10 million people their lives, roughly 6 million of whom were Jewish, and who were the primary targets of it.

The Nazis, though they were brutal, thorough, and efficient killers, did not kill all of the Jews. The fact that people survived that most abysmal display of human cruelty is proof enough that once a genocide is started, it's not automatically seen through to the end. In the case of the holocaust, it was eventually stopped when the allies beat Germany back from most of Europe. If the Nazis were less gung-ho about killing people, far fewer Jews, Romani, homosexuals, invalids, and other people they considered undesirable would have been murdered.

The rate at which a genocide occurs matters.

Why would anyone think Biden isn’t numb to atrocities?

The things he's said? The actions he's taken? The fact that there's no real indication that he's a psychopath? Again, take your pick. Let's give you an example of something he's done. In February of this year, the Biden administration released a memorandum that required the state department and the department of defense to ensure that countries that are the target of military aid (read Isreal) are providing assurances that they are adhering to international human rights laws. In October, they sent a letter demanding that Israel improve the humanitarian situation in Gaza, including asking for "urgent and sustained actions by [their] government this month to reverse this trajectory."

Obviously, they have not stopped, and obviously, we have not stopped providing military aid. But I never said that we were. I said that he was reluctant, and this demonstrates that reluctance.

So, both of those things are answered. What else have I "made up"?

I would very much like you to point out what I made up.

OP is Japanese.

The same number of people die.

The entire point of what I wrote in my last response to you is: "no. The same number of people don't die. That's a completely ridiculous supposition". Trump being president means that more people will die. As I said in my last response (that you either failed to read, or failed to understand), it is not a binary thing. It's not as if a genocide, once started, must be seen through to completion.

And if you think Biden felt bad about arming the genocide, you are not at all familiar with his record.

I would wager any amount of money that I am far more familiar with his record than you are. Biden isn't preventing the genocide because he values the existence of the Israeli state more than he values the lives of the Palestinians, but that doesn't make him immune to worrying about America's image internationally, and that doesn't make him completely numb to the atrocities. The same cannot be said about Trump, hence the entire dialog up to this point.

It never amazes me how many people think that "genocide" is a black and white, binary thing. Genocide is committed by people, and those people, in this case, are doing it at the behest of their government. That government is almost wholly dependent on the approval and support of the United States.

Up until now, Israel has committed an incredible number of atrocities against the Palestinian people, and against people who are there to help them (aid workers, UN employees, etc.) They have been rebuked for many of these, albeit in a very ineffectual way, by the Biden government. Even though Biden (and Harris by extension) support Israel's aggression towards the Palestinians, they are queasy about any Israeli action that is too blatantly genocidal. This, of course, has not stopped Israel from genociding, but it has slowed them down to a certain degree.

Trump has no such compunctions against genocide. He is, in fact, a full-blown cheerleader for it. The person he wants to appoint to be the ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee, had this to say:

There’s really no such thing as a Palestinian... that’s been a political tool to try and force land away from Israel. There’s no such thing as a settlement. They’re communities, they’re neighborhoods, they’re cities. There’s no such thing as an occupation.

As riled up as you are about Biden's Israeli policy, I challenge you to find any statement by anybody in the Biden administration that is anywhere near that level of pro-genocide.

If you're rolling your eyes at the comparison between genocide supporters, I want to remind you of something: there are still millions of Palestinian people who are alive right now, today. Under either US government, those people are facing potential extermination at Israel's hands. The difference is that one government wants Israel to slow down, and the other government wants them to speed up. Trump being president means that more Palestinian people will die, end of story. Additionally, there is zero chance that any form of government asylum will be granted to Palestinians fleeing Israeli violence under a Trump government.

So, no. There is no acceptable degree of genocide, and that's not what I was arguing. But there are degees of genocide, and voting for someone who wants to turbocharge it is materially worse than voting for someone who wants to slow it down.

Your "whataboutism" would mean a whole lot more if Trump wasn't even more into genocide than Harris and Biden. So your entire "vibes" retort is complete bullshit, and if you don't know it, then you aren't paying attention. If you do know it, then you're lying to yourself and everybody around you.

Not 'fuck everything and everybody'. Just fuck everybody who decided that they wanted to vote for a man who is a serial rapist, a traitor, a convicted felon, a misogynist, a pedophile, an imbecile, and a con man. There are tens of millions of people who decided to vote for him, and I say fuck literally every single one of those people. Awful human beings, the lot of them.

Edit: upon reflection, I believe that I may have misunderstood the point you were making.

I have no problem discussing politics, but under no circumstances will I ever willingly break bread with someone who voted for Trump. You want to talk about education reform? Economic policy? Foreign policy? No problem. But if you were dumb or hateful enough to vote for that shitstain, you're dead to me. I don't truck with Nazi scum.

Don't know about sex pest, but... probably. He was a game show host, with his most notable role being the host of "Wheel of Fortune". He was the original host, so that goes back to the 70s.

Anyways, as others have pointed out, he was a dyed-in-the-wool MAGAt. So not exactly a tear-jerking moment, his passing.

Extremely poorly, apparently.

What’s with all the personal insults?

Well, 1 - you deserve them, and 2 - I have zero respect for you as a person. If it was possible to have negative respect for someone, I would have negative respect for you.

Edit: also, it seems pretty fucking obvious that you are also the owner of the @antiy4nks44@lemmings.world account, which hilariously just got banned for trolling.

Aww poor baby can't think of any actual retort. Go outside and touch grass.

Just... what? I really don't understand you. I apologize, but I am not fluent in idiot, so could you help me out here?

First, you claimed that Biden's policy with regards to Palestinians is somehow "domestic politics", and I subtly corrected you by calling into question your intellectual competence. Now, you're saying: "this place is called world news, idiot", as if I was the one arguing that Biden's approach to the middle east was domestic politics. You're a special kind of stupid. A beautiful, unique, fractal snowflake of stupid. And like a fractal, the closer one looks into the things you said, the stupider you appear. It's a Russian nesting doll of stupid.

60% is hella optimistic.

It's hyperbolic, actually. According to opensecrets.org, the actual number is only 52.5%. Of course, I'm sure that there's some back-room deals that aren't recorded publicly, and so the number is higher than that. 60% seems like a good, round, umbrella-like figure.

How American of you to assume that I am unqualified to have an opinion about the US supporting a genocide in the Middle East.

That's not what I said. I understand that you are extremely stupid, and so your reading comprehension is probably extremely poor. My apologies for using big words. But yes - that is not at all what I said, and if you get someone who is able to read above a 6th grade level to read what I wrote and explain it to you in simple terms, I'm sure you will agree.

Nobody is arguing that Trump isn’t a disaster. However, your country elected the bastard, so it’s fundamentally your fucking problem. A problem you guys are also inflicting on the rest of us.

I agree that Trump is a disaster, and that Americans are shitheads for electing him. That was the point I was making this entire time. You moron. You got all butthurt because I suggested that Trump is worse than Biden. He is. In every single conceivable metric. So what the fuck are you arguing about?

Right. Which is why you are completely unqualified to comment. I'm glad we agree. Now kindly go fuck yourself.

Edit: also, how is Donald Trump being worse for Palestinians than Joe Biden in any way "domestic politics"? I take it from that response that you are, in fact, extremely stupid.

It could also be that you are slickgoat on an alt account, and you replied to the wrong comment from the wrong account. That, of course, leads to the exact same conclusion: that you are extremely stupid. But that's just a guess.

Well, this is a bit of a good news, bad news situation for you. Good news: Americans are now about to reap the consequences of their idiotic decision. Bad news: Palestinians are going to be fucked harder than they are currently.

You do not give a shit about foreigners and you were ready to throw them under the bus in exchange for your own safety.

I'm sorry if this comes off as offensive, but I really want to know: precisely how stupid are you? This is not a rhetorical question. I legitimately want to know how fucking stupid you are so that I can formulate an appropriate response.

The reason I ask is because you seem to be suggesting that Donald Trump is somehow less bad for Palestinians than Joe Biden is. This is a conclusion that can only be reached if you are completely oblivious to reality, or lack the IQ necessary to drink from a straw. So which is it, in your case?

That may be true, but only 60% of congress is receiving Israeli bribes. Hence the number I chose.

You have already established that you are uniquely unqualified to have an opinion on the matter. You are, as you say, not an American.

I say this not to point out that you don't have eyes, or that you don't pay attention to world politics. More that you don't see the full picture that Americans see. While I completely disagree with your assessment as regards Palestine, I concede that both Democrats and Republicans are pro-genocide. It is simply a difference of degree. It is the entire rest of the picture that you seem to be missing. You do not seem to acknowledge the tremendous threat another Trump administration poses to those Americans who are non-heterosexual, non-male, non-white, and non-cis. I promise you that I am not being hyperbolic or alarmist in my discourse here. If you are unable to find hundreds of alarming things on every single one of those fronts with a simple google search, I would be happy to provide a handful of sources for you.

America has not had a good choice for leaders for a long time. Harm reduction has been the name of the game for as long as I've been alive, and that is a long damn time. Choosing Trump for president is maximizing harm, end of story. And I will fight anybody who says otherwise.