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Car tyres shed a quarter of all microplastics in the environment – urgent action is needed

theconversation.com Car tyres shed a quarter of all microplastics in the environment – urgent action is needed

Tiny flakes of plastic, generated by the wear and tear of normal driving, eventually accumulate in the soil, in rivers and lakes, and even in our food.

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Vulcanized RUBBER tyres shed PLASTIC microparticles .... hmmmm something sounds very rubbery and not at all plasticky..... i truly wonder what it could be .....hmmmm......

Edit: "Is rubber considered a plastic? Although materials such as rubber, textiles, adhesives, and paint may in some cases meet this definition, they are not considered plastics."

Here is a Scientific study MIS-CONSTRUING Rubber as a Plastic AND MAKING ASSUMPTIONS WITHOUT PROPER EXPLANATIONS !!!!

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5664766/

This is the problem with Scientific studies, Media, Reporting and bunch of people running with studies that make a lot of FALSE ASSUMPTIONS WITHOUT TELLING YOU THE FULL FUCKING STORY.
- Daddy I'm so sorry microplastics in your bloodstream are causing your untimely demise...
  
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  Yes Daddy?
  
  they're MICRO rubbers you ignorant IDIOT
- Tyres are made from synthetic rubbers which are plastics.
- Rubber can mean both, natural rubber from specific trees, or synthetic rubber, which is made out of plastics.
  
  Again there is a difference even when you say synthetic rubber,
  
  DO NOT MIX AND CONFUSE RUBBER and PLASTIC.
  
  Rubber === mixture of ISOPRENE and ELASTOMERE polymers ( naturally occurring from Latex/rubber trees but 50% naturally produced and 50% synthetically produced from petrochemicals)
  
  Plastic === mixture of various Ethyl,Propyl,Poly-Propyl Polymers mainly derived synthetically from petrochemical sources ( may or may not be combined with elastomere for rubberized properties).
  
  So MOST MODERN Industrial processes are DIRTY and HEAVILY POLLUTING.
  
  Dont confuse Rubber and Plastic manufacturing and lump it into a single problem unless and until you have definitive and REPRODUCIBLE PROOF THAT PROBLEMS ARE COMMON TO BOTH.
  
  Are you a bot? lol
  
  This is too incoherent for even a bot.
  
  Is that your only retort to being shut down with logic? I love the spirit of this sub but the people in here are so unbearable
  
  Is all of your clothing natural fibers? I guarantee you are shedding pounds of microplastics into the environment every year personally
  
  Got a goretex jacket? You are killing the earth with PFAs
  
  Shut down with logic? My entire comment was about differentiating between natural and synthetic rubbers and he wrote an entire wall of text about how I have to differentiate between natural and synthetic rubbers.
  
  And yes, except for a couple jackets, which I don't really wash at all, all my clothes, bed sheets etc. are out of 100% cotton. Always have been. My top level comment in this very thread is literally me calling out synthetic textiles. Any other things you want to project onto me?
- hi HOW ARE you TODAY?
  
  i'm pretty GOOD MYSELF!!111!!!!!!
  
  I TOO like to RANDOMLY SWITCH TO upper case.
  
  I HOPE YOU RECOVER SOON!
- This is the problem with Scientific studies, Media, Reporting and bunch of people running with studies that make a lot of FALSE ASSUMPTIONS WITHOUT TELLING YOU THE FULL FUCKING STORY.
  
  ah, but randos online know the real story. The Caplocks only adds to your authenticity. Look, you're trying to ague about semantics to discredit concerns about microplastics getting in people's blood streams. Within the context of micro particials, there's really not much difference between "rubber" and "plastic" as what makes them unique to each other is their properties when bonded in large forms. Maybe it's harmless or maybe it's this generation's lead poisons, toxoplasmosis, or aspectos. Aspectos, which by the way, is perfectly natural, but still dangerous to humans. Something I have to remind people when they talk about corn oil based plastics. The half life on PLA may be shorter, but research is still being done on how quickly harm happens and what levels harm can occur.
- Microrubbers sounds like condoms for guys with unfortunate situations in their pants though
  
  Were guys with an unfortunate situation, but no kids or STIs!
  
  Sure we might have microplastics and microrubbers inside our brains and balls.
  
  Maybe we need a new study of "Forever chemicals" and "Short-term chemicals" and "Long-lived chemicals" redefined and not use confusing terms like "microplastics" for anything polymerised. DNA is a polymer but we dont call people microplastics.
- The study linked in the article also says that microplastic and rubber are different. As far as I understood it, they also quoted it wrong.
  
  Exactly. We need more and better peer-reviewed and vetted studies. Is rubber pollution exactly same as micro-plastics? Or is it 80% the same effects? Is it the same effects due to the same chemicals? Is it similar due to the same processes and not necessarily the end-product material ? Many many questions that people don't seem to understand and just blindly trust whatever some "latest study shows ....." bullshit that has been going on for a very long time.
- Imagine things being made of multiple components and not one pure component. /s
  
  Imagine confusing Tigers and Lions and claiming BIG CAT micro-pussies are causing problems all over the world!!!
  
  Tigers are different and Lions are different. They are big cats but different species have different habitats and habits.
  
  So dont mix Plastics and Rubbers when they are chemically different and may have different manufacturing processes.
  
  Was that really hard to understand ?
  
  I worked at a tire factory. Half the rubber used in tires is synthetic rubber, which is made from plastic. Your car tires are not made from 100% natural rubber from a tree.
  
  Synthetic rubber is not plastic. It is from petrochemicals but not the same chemical substance.
  
  A plastic is just a material made from polymers, you are the one adding artificial limitations on what polymers can be used. The belts in tires use both nylon and polyester which are both plastics by anyone's definition. So even by your strict definition, tires are made up, at least in part, by plastic.
  
  Was that really hard to understand ?
  
  ... umm, yes. I have literally no idea what you're talking about.
- Thanks for the link that argues against your rant. I guess you could salvage it some by comparing the numbers and claiming the plastic component is lower than the main article's numbers in contribution. It would be awkward though if you find out they already separated those number in their math. It also doesn't change the point that a huge amount of pollution in the form of tire wear occurs constantly and isn't going away anytime soon.

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