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  • You need it in the definition if you want to claim it as such. If cyanide strawberries were found in nature they would be part of the definition of a strawberry, and claiming otherwise would be silly.

    Generally speaking what may seem obvious to you may very well not be. I could claim that donkeys are fish, and should you complain that nowhere is said that, I would reply “that’s because it’s obvious”. Not the best of arguments.

    If sexual orientation is the classification of what you are attracted to then men, women, everything in between, kids, horses and warplanes are a - semantically - “valid” sexual orientation.

    As for harming LGBTQ+ I disagree with that. Whenever someone says “I don’t care who or how you fuck” they generally add “as long as they are consenting adults” - clearly it’s not that obvious.

    With this said I think I did my best to make my case and I do not think I can do more if this is not enough, so I will disengage from further discussion.

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  • That is a fair objection, and I don’t know why you got downvoted - here is my upvote for what that matters.

    First of all I would argue that the difference between a “quirk” and a mental illness is whether it messes with your life, and pedophilia very much does - in that sense a sexuality can be a mental illness if it interferes with your mental wellbeing.

    Secondarily would say that whether pedophilia can be “cured” through therapy - making it a mental illness in your definition - or it can only be mitigated, is something that therapists know and I don’t.

    Regardless, it makes no difference towards the point I was trying to make: people who suffer from it should not be stigmatised because of it, as it makes it harder and scarier for them to seek help.

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  • Well those are your definitions, and of course under them I am wrong and you are right. But I don’t think they are correct.

    Would you be able to find a definition of “sexuality” or “sexual orientation” that says it’s not inherently abusive? I’ll wait but I don’t think you will.

    You can’t control who you are attracted to, and to be fair I think saying otherwise would be rather reactionary.

    If you are attracted to people or things who can consent to your intimacy - or even to objects - that’s great. If you are attracted to kids or animals it’s not great at all. But they are all sexual orientations, and you don’t get to decide through legality which ones are not.

    I don’t disagree with you on the disgust for pedo behaviour and the attempts of tbe “MAPs” to make it acceptable. I disagree with the stigma on those who have that attraction BECAUSE of the attraction itself rather than their actions.

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  • To be fair being attracted to minors IS a mental illness as those people never chose it and can hardly do much about it, except for taking therapy like you do with other mental illnesses.

    Likewise, being about who they are attracted to and again being something they did not choose, it also IS a sexuality.

    More than anything else it is a curse. Imagine having to live with an attraction to people you can’t hope of actually dating, imagine having no way to love somebody you’re attracted to without harming them.

    Now those people I have seen in the “MAP” space have a tendency to actually favour acting on their urges one way or another which is horrible, so I have no problem with your last paragraph. What I do not like is the other two, framing pedos as wicked people.

    There is a stigma on pedophilia which is justified but also framed very poorly. The behaviour should rightfully be stigmatised, but the people should be treated for what the are: mentally sick and in need of help.

    The stigma on the people that is well exemplified in your second paragraph is exactly what makes it hard for morally sound pedophiles to go and seek help.

  • The climate crisis and all the evil in the world drives me to despair
  • What a beautiful answer.

    Here in Europe I am seeing a resurgence of local communities, after their hecatomb along the 2010s - which is amazing.

    Meeting with people to build something positive in your corner together is the true antidote to the doomscrolling epidemic and all that comes with it.

    Great advice from Philippa, 10/10.

  • This Planet's On Fire (Burn In Hell)
  • Our parents and grandparents had kids - depending on your age - when there was a world war and tens of thousands of people were dying daily in their country, or in the 50 years where the world was always on the brink of getting destroyed in a nuclear apocalypse if one of the two world powers made the wrong move. Were they dumb?

    Not to downplay on the current emergencies which are existential and terrifying, especially seeing how little as a species we are doing to address them - but they are a bit of a silly reason not to have kids.

    If you don’t want kids don’t have them, you do you :) far too many people have children out of peer or societal pressure or just carelessness, and we could really use much fewer of those, considering the societal damage of absent or careless parenting. But just be honest with yourself, no need to blame viruses and “no toilet paper”.