Can Democrats Get Their Voters Off the Couch?
Can Democrats Get Their Voters Off the Couch?
Dorian Warren argues that cynicism and disillusionment among the party's base helped Trump win.
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Focus on actually helping out the working class and you'll get all the votes you need. Until then, throwing out a few progressive scraps has stopped working because people are sick of the bullshit rainbow capitalism.
This podcast is very relevant:
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To be entirely honest, I don't think that would work. I wish it were true she lost because all the real leftists stayed home or voted for trump in protest, but that's obviously not true. She lost because this country is racist and sexist.
Actual leftists have no power over anything and are very small in number, that's why she ran a more conservative campaign in the first place. But, it didn't work. Despite doing everything in her power to not look like a leftist, everyone still labeled her as a radical leftist because she's a black woman. That is why she lost.
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Actual leftists have no power over anything and are very small in number, that's why she ran a more conservative campaign in the first place. But, it didn't work. Despite doing everything in her power to not look like a leftist, everyone still labeled her as a radical leftist because she's a black woman. That is why she lost.
My initial reaction to reading this was visceral, but in rereading I think you need to expound a bit about who you mean. I do not agree, but I can see why you think that.
What I find more useful and interesting is trying to figure out who it is that didn't vote and how we can move them from the disenfranchised existence they are in. There are a lot of them, many are urban which means they likely lean left. So a GOTV that actually got even 75% voter turnout out would give the right a stomping.
Why that failed is worth understanding.
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Compared with 2020, about 20 million prior Dem voters stayed home. Care to try again l
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Unless you have some evidence, please don't go blaming it on leftists. That's just establishment bullshit. Leftists have been Democrats narrated to be the most consistently reliable voters in the country with more engagement than even Bible thumping nationalists. Engagement (including voting) is lowest at the middle of the political spectrum, which is exactly where anyone who thought about it for two seconds would expect it to be.
The establishment always bitched about leftists going third party (Although the Libertarians hurt Republicans far more than the Greens hurt Democrats) but that was clearly not a real factor this time, so now they insist that leftists went to Trump. No matter what, it always must be the fault of the left, not the precious "centrists" they love so much.
Step one in fixing this broken down wreck of a party is to stop buying their bullshit excuses. They lost because they didn't do enough for the American people, and because they weren't loud enough about what they did do. If they bragged about helping unions then they might piss off their corporate sponsors and they won't get to go on tour after leaving office and get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for 45 minute speeches.
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I wish it were true she lost because all the real leftists stayed home or voted for trump in protest, but that’s obviously not true.
Left policy isn't for the leftists, it's for everyone except the capitalists. Left policy polls incredibly well when it's divorced from democrats that have shown over and over will not do what their base wants.
Republicans fear their base, democrats despise their base.
She lost because this country is racist and sexist.
Do you think Biden would have done better?
Despite doing everything in her power to not look like a leftist, everyone still labeled her as a radical leftist
She told her base to fuck off, the genocide will continue, the wall will be built, we will have the most lethal military in history, all so that republicans would vote for her.
And then 5% of her vote came from registered republicans, down from 6% in 2020.
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Left policy isn't for the leftists, it's for everyone except the capitalists.
America does not even remotely understand this, so they will not vote as such.
Do you think Biden would have won?
Not this time with how unpopular he is now, but any other white male option would have worked or at least had a better shot.
And then 5% of her vote came from registered republicans, down from 6% in 2020.
Because she's a black woman.
She already had the vote of every leftist, because leftists hate trump more then they dislike her. The voters she needed were suburban white men, which is who she tried to appeal to. It didn't work because of racism and sexism.
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America does not even remotely understand this, so they will not vote as such.
Yeah, I'm not sure you need to be talking about what voters do or don't understand. Quit repeating establishment bullshit.
Because she's a black woman.
I seriously doubt this was the factor so many people think it is. Republicans have the racist/sexist vote locked up no matter who is running.
Where this can come into play is that women and minorities (especially blacks) have to avoid a lot of behaviors that would never hurt a white male candidate. They can't show a hint of outrage,weakness, or indecision, or they just become a stereotype. For all the mistakes Harris made, I don't think I ever saw her fall into that trap.
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Republicans have the racist/sexist vote locked up no matter who is running.
That is an extremely reductive narrative that ignores how prejudice actually works in this country. Racist and sexist biases conscious or not shaped perception of Harris on the left, right, and everywhere inbetween. Prejudice is not a binary thing. It is a cultural force that is more than capable of impacting the decision making of people who are not outwardly racist/sexist.
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that ignores how prejudice actually works in this country.
I'm pretty sure that's how prejudice works everywhere. It's kind of weird how you zeroed in on that and then ignored the entire next paragraph where I talked about how it does sometimes matter.
Generalizations are generalizations, and it should be understood that they aren't intended to be true in every case. I'm well aware that prejudice can be subtle. I'm also aware that a lot of people voted for Kamala specifically because they like the idea of a woman president. I don't think either of those was a significant enough factor to change the outcome.
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America does not even remotely understand this, so they will not vote as such.
Polling and history say otherwise.
Obama won by such a blowout because he campaigned on policies that helped everyone, such as free healthcare. And then instead he did what republicans wanted, means-testing every policy and giving them half the discretionary budget, and the dems got blown the fuck out in 2010.
In 2020, like a quarter of voters I spoke to thought they were voting for free healthcare, college, freeing the immigrant concentration camps, legalizing cannabis, abolishing police, and every other good policy the republicans falsely accused the democrats of wanting. It was always awkward to explain that the election for any of that had been the primary but they should still vote dem.
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It's not about actual leftists; leftist policy is where you naturally get when you do things for the people. And both people like politicians who do things for them and hate politicians who don't. Democrats think they can get people to show up by doing nothing and they simply can't. I can't find it now but I saw an article around here that shows how as the election came closer Harris dropped anti-establishment rhetoric such as taxing wealth and combating price gouging and defined her platform by being a conservative, not being Trump and that idiotic border wall. Coincidentally, as she did that support for her dropped.
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