David Cameron urges BBC to describe Hamas as terrorist organisation
David Cameron urges BBC to describe Hamas as terrorist organisation
Foreign secretary’s call comes after group releases video of British-Israeli hostage it says died after being wounded in Israeli airstrike
Foreign secretary’s call comes after group releases video of British-Israeli hostage it says died after being wounded in Israeli airstrike
David Cameron has urged the BBC to describe Hamas as a terrorist organisation, reviving an accusation that the corporation shies away from a valid description of the Islamist group that is holding Israeli hostages.
The UK foreign secretary told the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg that the organisation should reconsider its guidelines in light of a video released by Hamas showing the British-Israeli hostage Nadav Popplewell, who the group said had died in Gaza.
Hamas released a statement on Saturday saying the 51-year-old had died after being wounded in an Israeli airstrike a month ago. The video showed him with a black eye.
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Making an exception for one organisation, pressured by politicians, would be harmful. BBC has the following policy about neutral reporting:
We don't use loaded words like "evil" or "cowardly". We don't talk about "terrorists". And we're not the only ones to follow this line. Some of the world's most respected news organisations have exactly the same policy
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this is very relevant. thanks.
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Hamas is a terrorist organization
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Wikipedia first lines summarizes the 7th of October quite well:
Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims.
Hamas still haven't released the civilian hostages. Hamas hides among civilians. The list goes on and on.
The only sad part is that the Palestinian people once voted for a terrorist organisation to represent them.
People can call Hamas for "Freedom Fighters" all they want but it doesn't erase the fact:
Hamas is a terrorist organisation.
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Yeah but in that case:
US government and Canadian are terrorists (look at their list of war crimes against civilians, genocide of native Americans, kidnapping and "re-educating" native children for ethnic cleansing). The US independence war literally got kicked off by torturing civilian tax collectors by ripping their skin off after dragging them through the streets
Israel is a terrorist state (genocide against a specific ethnic group definitely fits this definition even if they just did it for expansionism, that is a political goal and there are 36000 that Israel has killed directly on the low end, including over 224 civilian humanitarian aid workers and 179 civilian unwra workers)
Hamas is a terrorist organization
Dole is a terrorist organization (banana republics, Hawaii)
Many police organizations nowadays are terrorists (constant violence against innocent civilians), especially in the US
Belgium is a terrorist state (Congo anyone?)
France is a terrorist state (they have a special police battalion hand picked for violence against civilians lol)
Russian army is a terrorist org (talk about violence against civilians, they have wiped out so many villages and just killed and dumped the population)
Hell, Britain is a terrorist org (Kenya atrocities like the chuka massacre, the Irish???, Iraq & Afganistan?? BBC themselves reported how the British government was covering up their forces killing and torture of civilians and children in the middle east)
The point is that a news org can't (or shouldn't) just cherry pick who they want to label terrorists because that, no matter which way you slice it, will be political bias. Their own government has committed many, MANY acts of terror very recently.
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Sounds like the BBC's explanation on their use of language regarding Hamas is relevant here:
John Simpson responded to the criticism in a post on X. "British politicians know perfectly well why the BBC avoids the word 'terrorist', and over the years plenty of them have privately agreed with it," he wrote.
"Calling someone a terrorist means you're taking sides and ceasing to treat the situation with due impartiality.
"The BBC's job is to place the facts before its audience and let them decide what they think, honestly and without ranting."
He said: "It's about making sure that all audiences trust the information that we're giving them, that they don't think the BBC is coming at this from one side of the conflict as opposed to the other, and that we steer a course though this in very difficult circumstances in which our journalism can continue to be factual, accurate, impartial and truthful."
The corporation's editorial guidelines say the word "terrorist" can be "a barrier rather than an aid to understanding".
They say: "We should convey to our audience the full consequences of the act by describing what happened.
"We should use words which specifically describe the perpetrator such as 'bomber', 'attacker', 'gunman', 'kidnapper', 'insurgent' and 'militant'.
"We should not adopt other people's language as our own; our responsibility is to remain objective and report in ways that enable our audiences to make their own assessments about who is doing what to whom."
Hamas is a terrorist organization because they use violence against civilians with the goal of imposing their political will, this is, they commit acts of terrorism. Now, if you use this standard, the Israeli government also uses violence against civilians with the goal of imposing their political will, this is, they commit acts of terrorism, therefore the Israeli government is also a terrorist organization. Would David Cameron be okay with the BBC maintaining their neutrality and describing both sides as terrorists?
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Hamas is a terrorist organization because they use violence against civilians with the goal of imposing their political will
I'd even go so far as to dispute this much. The Alaqsa Flood targeted armed border guards and other military personal. Rockets were defensive measures focused on Israeli snipers and drones patrolling the Gaza interior. The last two months of fighting have been entirely in Gaza, with Hamas rebels resisting the occupation and demolition of homes, schools, and hospitals.
Hamas rank slightly above the Vietcong on the terrorist spectrum.
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I don't want to defend Israel but it feels a bit like you intentionally used a loose definition of terrorism to make your point.
Israel & Netanyahu (?) are all sorts of wrong but IDK if "terrorist" is the best adjective.
Edit: my apologies all, I seem to have made a comment which is not completely 100% derisive of Israel and it's behavior. I promise I'll do better.
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Ben Gvir has been convicted eight times of incitement and terrorism charges. He also got exempted from the draft by the IDF for being too much of a right-wing radical.
Now, in his role as minister for national security, he's overseeing settler violence in the west bank, pretty much doing a Maurice Papon. Yes, the man is a terrorist.
Netanyahu though he's right-wing but not to that degree, he's simply corrupt and wants to keep in office to keep out of prison. If that had been more possible with a centre-left coalition than the current far-right one he would've moved left.
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Can we label him as a pig-fucking PM? Oh wait, we already do.
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Continuing the tradition of British conservative prime ministers labelling things "terrorism" when the poor get uppity.
How's Thatcher looking these days for insisting that Mandela was a terrorist?
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If Hamas isn't a terrorist organization then what would you call them?
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I'll put this back to you this way: is Likud also a terrorist organization? Is the IDF? Because they do a lot of the same stuff.
There are definitely terrorists associated with Hamas, and Hamas definitely carries water for them, but they're also the duly elected government in Gaza and if I were Israel I'd be asking why Gazans feel like they were so wronged that the only option seems to be a political movement that's sympathetic to terrorist tactics.
Saying "they're terrorists" without acknowledging how we got here is a lot like calling the ANC in South Africa "terrorist" in the 1980s. It's stupidly reductionist and ignores complexity for the sake of jingoism.
It's also why Cameron is a disingenuous jackass.
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Paramilitary?
Seriously I'm old enough to remember when words other than "terrorist" were used.
Hamas doesn't just want to cause terror, and isn't a random group. It's an organized group with an objective goal to destroy the nation of Israel that's part of a governing body.
Nowadays anyone that's "the bad guy" is just called "terrorist". That's not by accident either - makes it hard to talk nuance when you make things black and white, and gives oligarchs and autocrats a nice loaded word to use against "revolutionaries".
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Maybe, but a better question might be was George Washington a terrorist? What about Nat Turner?
Maybe, but I'm kinda on their sides
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if you describe hamas as a terrorist organisation (they are) then you also have to point out israel's role in creating and funding them.
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One man's terrorist group is another man's freedom fighter. This is why many new organizations that are big on neutrality normally shy away from calling anyone terrorist groups. You could just as easily frame Israel as a terrorist group with the same justifications listed above.
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It's terrorists/freedom fighters all the way down.
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Hamas are every bit as much a terrorist organisation as Isis, the IRA, FARC, Red Army faction, Al Qaeda or UDF have been.
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None of which are called terrorists by the BBC.
The BBC has a long standing policy against calling people/organizations terrorists.
Their position in this case says nothing about how they view Hamas. The position of those complaining about it says a lot about how they view the role news organizations.
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Hamas is comparable to the IRA but not the rest.
The big difference is that organisations like ISIS try to take over other countries whereas Hamas is resisting colonists of their own country.
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Sorry Dave, I trust John Simpson. You're just a pink-faced ham botherer.
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Hamas is a terrorist organization. So is the IDF. Protect the people, not the barbarian leaders they admittedly did choose. I choose to defend the people because no sane minded person would elect a leader that uses their own citizens as bait and hostages and i believe most people can be at least called sane minded.
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Glad to see he's still not letting reality infringe on his fantasies. Who wants a competent foreign minister anyway?
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It's super fascinating, that in it's thousand years of subjugating other cultures, Great Britain chooses the Jews to marginalize as "colonizers". Really speaks to the anti semitism.
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How this dickwipe managed to get in the spotlights again after what he did I'll never understand. He's right though, they should be called terrorists because they are. And bbc while you're at it also call the genocide of remaining Palestinians a genocide.
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He's not right. He's asking the BBC to forego it's neutral stance. That's not okay.
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They say in almost every story on the BBC News TV channel that talks about Hamas that they are designated a terrorist organisation by the UK government.
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