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The Vote Socialist campaign stands unequivocally with the Palestinian people as they stand strong in the face of one year of US-Israeli genocide in Gaza.

For decades, we have been in the streets in defense of the Palestinian people, and will continue to fight until the total liberation of Palestine!

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This is great, and I completely agree with you, and on November 5th I'm going to cast a ballot for Kamala Harris because Trump will be worse. You should, too.
- Do you care about stopping fascism? Then you must study its history, and come to the understanding that it can only be opposed by socialist organizing.
  
  Go join a socialist org. Vote for whoever you want to but don't pretend like voting for Kamala Harris will stop the crisis.
  
  To oppose fascism with conviction, you have to build up a socialist project.
  
  Right, but you're making my point for me. You can't build up a socialist project by running a third party presidential campaign. You need a grassroots movement, with local politicians, ideological outreach, volunteer organizations, and voter evangelism.
  
  It's like we've built a house, and we're painting the ceilings, and someone asks you which paint you like, and you say that you don't like the location of the house. You might be right, but that's not the decision we're faced with right now. Your choices are matte ceiling white and human feces. "Relocate the house, because this is a bad spot for a house," you say. Well, that's not going to happen, so white or shit? "Move the house. Everybody, let's all vote to move the house." No. You can have an opinion on the ceiling color, or you can fuck off, but there is a clear choice to be made. If you fuck off, your ceiling may be painted with human shit, and if you don't think that matters enough to have an opinion, I don't know what to tell you.
  
  Anyone speak Russian? I'd like to adress Dimitri here in his mother tongue. Kamala is the answer go home and fuck your vodka bottle.
  
  I admit I’m ignorant on the issue, and you seem to know: what are some examples of socialist organizations being the main force in stopping fascism?
  
  And what about the cases of socialist fascism? Is the only remedy a more socialist organization?
  
  But why are fascists bad. Is it because they commit genocide hmmm?
- why? how? how do you rationalize this when the Biden administration is openly endorsing and supporting genocide? How could Trump make it worse? Write racist slurs on the bombs sent to Israel?
  
  Write racist slurs on the bombs sent to Israel?
  
  Liberals literally believe this, that's why they keep talking about that one Nazi who signed a bomb sent to Gaza.
  
  They are a genocide supporter but they know it is gauche to admit it.
  
  PSL isn't going to win no matter what (even if they won every state they're on the ballot in, they can't reach 270). Trump says "You've got to finish the problem" regarding Gaza aka wipe out Gaza, while Biden/Harris/Walz support Israel defending itself within its borders but don't support genocide. Is the democrat position as good as it could be? No. Is Trump's position far worse? Yes.
- I don't vote for parties endorsed by dick cheney, sorry :/
  
  Of all the arguments I've heard today, that's the best one.
- No.
  
  Ok
- You should be against genocide and vote against genociders. Harris is literally part of the administration doing this genocide and has been an active supporter of its strategies. She has been very clear in her support of Israel during genocide, as has nearly the entirety of the "lesser evil" (genocidal) Democratic Party.
  
  Then run some downticket races. Write your congresspeople. Join some protests or boycotts. And at the ballot, vote your conscience.
  
  It's Trump or Harris. You can choose one, or you can choose neither, but one of those two people will win the election. Do you think it doesn't matter who wins?
- no
  
  Ok
- Gotta love the vote shaming liberals, I only wish they were ashamed for voting for genocide.
  
  Genocide Extreme™ Party or Genocide Party? At the end of the day it is still genocide and you should be ashamed that genocide isn't a red line for you. If you'll vote for genocide, what won't you vote for? You're basically telling the democrat party "I will vote for you as long as you make me feel morally superior to republicans regardless of what your actual policies are. And if you feel like changing those policies later on to further align with republicans, I'm cool with that too."
- @themeatbridge @Confidant6198 You'll really send them a message that Genocide is bad;) Good for you.
  
  Glad to help.
- So you don't agree with them.
  
  I agree with them that Palestinians should be free, that Israel should stop the genocide, that America should stop supporting the genocide. And I agree that Donald Trump would be the worst possible candidate to put in charge of the executive branch of the US government.
  
  I only disagree with two points. First, I do not agree that Kamala Harris is the same as Donald Trump, not on any issue. Second, I do not agree that voting for a nonviable third party in a national election will have any effect on Democrats or their policies.
  
  I agree with de la Cruz on more issues than I do with Harris. Healthcare, taxation, military spending, reparations, Indigenous sovereignty... Pretty much everything except those two points, so I'm voting for Harris because she's better than Trump.
Israel does genocide thread: 3 comments

You should vote for opponents of said genocide thread: 148 comments
Good. Hopefully more leftists organize!
The Vote Socialist campaign

So, Harris? That's the socialist candidate, right?
- Yep. These kind people are helping everyone remember to vote for her.
  
  So they're socialist also?
- No, she's right wing.
It's neat how these posts have become reminders to vote for Harris. You are the real MVP.
So is the war in Ukraine the world vs Russia? Funny hpw articles only read "Ukraine attacked.." fuck of with your 'America bad' bullshit.
Never stop fighting for the people in Gaza and Palestine. But I would never fight for Gaza or support a geographical region. Utter nonsense.

It is an unrecognized state - UK had been tasked with taking care what should be done with persia.

There has not been a single protest in Gaza, Jemen or Syria to stop the terror attackts against Israel. And we all remember that Iran and its proxies declared to destroy Israel before it was founded. Iran and the Muslims in the area said they want to kill all jews. Some might have seen "We will dance again" and might remember that BEFORE crossing the border to israel to murder children at the music festival the Hamas terrorists and the scum that supports them said (LOOK AT THE VIDEO!!): "10.000 , 20.000 and many more Palestinians will die because of our holy war"

Why the pikachu face when exactly that happend? Was it when the cowards of Gaza sacked Fatah and started bootlicking Hamas that they lost the rest of their brains? I read shitty blogposts like "A letter from Gaza: are we not human"

Well, you are obviously def dumb and blind. I am german. We have a saying after WW2: If there are 9 ppl at a table and a nazi comes around and takes a seat you have 10 nazis.

Who is the LGBTQ spokesperson for Hamas? Who is the womens rights ministeress of Fatah? I fucking hope that we have learned from WW2 that i makes absolute sense to talk about collective guilt.

That jerkwomen in the poster protests one year to stand with gaza. great. let's hope she is a cis muslim, because else this is just a clownshow. Sure the guy who ran the hospital in Gaza and took all the money from EU and USA to build the hospital had nooooo idea there was a commando bunker below his hospital. Hamas stole from us. From anyone who was ever in support of the people in gaza. Crooked thieves, liars and inhumane is what Gazians are just like my grandgrandparents were. Fuck em!
- Well, you are obviously def dumb and blind. I am german.
  
  I think we've identified which group has the greater deficit when it comes to evaluating Israel's actions, and it's not the people that you sneer are disabled.

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