Harris distances herself from Biden's 'garbage' comment: 'I strongly disagree' with criticizing people based on their vote

I would guess that she's trying to separate the voters from the representatives, so that when someone calls out a republican politician for being racist, they have a harder time convincing their voters that she was calling them racist as well.

Right now it seems like people see their political party as their identity, there are both democrats and republicans who do it but I'd say it is far, far more common with republicans.

You can, and should, hold your representatives accountable when they do bad shit, regardless of whether you voted for them or not, and if your party starts standing for things that are worse than another party then you should change who you vote for.

It's a long road to get back from this division in the US, but I hope there's a future where it's possible.

As a queer person I don't feel safe around people who support killing queer people. So obviously yes.

Absolutely. These aren't just "differences of opinion" as conservatives would pretend. Jews, gays and intellectuals didn't just have "differences of opinion" with nazis in Weimar Germany.

Yes, absolutely, and I think anyone who says otherwise is a liar, given shitty enough candidates in an election

I stopped talking to my grandparents not strictly because of their vote but because every single conversation turned into them screaming and ranting about the black/asian/mexican/etc menace, and saying anything in disagreement got you screamed at or sometimes threatened with violence. we could be pleasantly chatting about the wildlife in their backyard and then suddenly it's all about how the 'n----rs' are ruining the country and we need to bring lynching back. these same people will loudly say they aren't racist, somehow. they couldn't even behave themselves in public and would talk like this at restaurants in full hearing of anyone around!

Yes

Not over John McCain or Mitt Romney, but over cunty fatson? Yeah obviously. No nazis is a pretty easy life rule to agree on.

Tough question, but you spend though time online and you hear stories of abuse from Trump parents and people ghosting them. It's not so much about the voting choices though, but who those people are--- which of course is correlated.

That said, you shouldn't think in absolutes. I certainly quarantine family to once-a-year if they're terrible, if even that. It's not as direct as making a pact to never see them, you just avoid unpleasant people. That just happens to be Trump supporters lately since he appeals to the worst kind of people, but before that it was my folks like my grandpa who called Obama the n word and kicked my dad out at 15.

That make sense?

Way ahead of you, as I cut them from my life years ago for being shit human beings. I have much higher standards than the average politician though.

Not over the voting choices but the choice at that point is a symptom of their view on life based on the political values of the party they voted for, you don't vote before you embody at least in some form the values of said party.

I haven't yet, but I'm prepared to if he wins and they continue to support him as he starts doing the overtly fascist shit that he's said he will do.

It really depends.

I'm in Australia so while I detest our conservative party leader (not presently prime minister but probably one day), he's not really as abhorrent as Trump.

If someone very close to me who I care about quietly mentioned that they voted for someone as awful as Trump, that wouldn't be immediate irrevocable dismissable from my "inner circle", but it would certainly change how I thought of them.

Perhaps oddly, it would be a bit like someone saying they believed vaccines were harmful or that the earth is flat. They're not stupid (necessarily), but there's some complex and concerning psychological stuff going on.

You will notice that it is usually Democrats who have no qualms with cutting ties with their families over trivial ideological differences.

Incidentally, it's also Democrats who complain to no end that they have no familial support system (through absolutely no fault of their own), and society now OWES them that support structure by way of "GIVE ME YOUR MONEY! I DESERVE IT MORE THAN YOU!!"

20 years ago it was Bush and the Cheneys that were so bad we would have been told to vote for anyone running Blue.

Can't wait to vote for the Democratic candidate in 2048 based on the idea that they'll only conscript first-born children into mandatory asteroid farming and have Barron Trump's enforcement over Megahitler.

Okay now explain how bad the alternative is that we need to support genocide

paradox of tolerance

you can only achieve a fair and civil society by removing those unwilling to keep the social contract

I mean, our country was founded through a bunch of people getting really uncivil and violent. Sure, it still needed - and still needs - a lot of improvement to be fair for everyone who wasn't part of the "in-group," but the same could be said for most countries at the time ours was founded.

I certainly don't believe that it's necessary to be uncivil and violent to achieve a fair and civil society, but it has shown past success at ridding a country of leaders who don't have the people's best interests at heart.

Their victim-games are theatrical manipulations and should be ignored completely. Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. They are not capable of shame or remorse. If you are not with them, you are against them. Period.

Also, who gives a shit about the opinions or feelings of a fascist?

I mean I hate the Cheneys more than most people on Lemmy, which believe me has come as quite a shock to see how popular they are on here, but even I wouldn't describe them as magas.

They are much worse than garbage. They are fascists. Which is essentially the worst thing you can be.

If Harris wins you might want to lay low for awhile in case this guy does decide to attack someone.

No one is immune from propaganda. I see it as they're being tricked, at least those that I know

Conservatives do not see non-conservatives as humans. You'll forgive me if I don't award them any humanity medals.