Whelp

I hate how this picture is accurate. American inaction on climate change fucks everyone over. There's almost no chance of convincing China and India to reduce emissions if the richest country in the world can't be bothered to lift a finger.

But hey, maybe this will incentivize Elon to double his efforts on colonizing Mars for the super rich!

It will only incentivize Elon (and all the other filthy rich) to build air conditioned luxury bunkers guarded by AI killerbots in places like New Zealand.

Or maybe something like the titular space station in the movie Elysium, where they enjoy the newest medical treatments while looking down on the rest of humanity trying to survive on a planet that has turned into a helhole.
- Yes! New Zealand, we have a bunch of gar-- investors we think you'll like.
Well, we’re going to be acting on it now. Very pro
This is my biggest concern. Like whatever on economy. Do I want more for everyone? Absolutely. But those can come back in 5-10 years.

The environment doesn't have that long. We had the hottest summer and about to have the coldest winter and they are all like "let's go orange man!" And not giving a fuck what they leave for the next generation. So fuckin selfish. I hate them so much.
- They don't care because they will be dead before they ever see the effects of their selfishness. They will literally never have any consequence.
  
  I'm sure they know in their hearts that their descendants will suffer and die because of what they do today, but they don't plan on ever feeling bad about it because at the end they will be safe, warm and comfortable in their beds, surrounded by their loving families, after a lifetime of luxuries. Everything to gain and nothing to lose. Why not fuck the planet?
I hope he does and that all the billionaires join on the maiden flight, we're gonna get rid of the worst scum in one single swoop. I mean, chances are that things will go as well in space/on Mars as his self driving teslas, so please do that ASAP
Actually China is leading the planet on renewables deployment.

I haven't combed through the data in a minute, but I want to also say that they're also leading in fossil fuel deployment too. Probably is due to their population size than anything else.

Don't worry though: America can't stand that China is doing better than them at something, so we're going to try to punish them and frame them as the bad guys since America can be the only one espousing leadership, not the Big Bad East.
- Are China the good guys now?
- I haven't combed through the data in a minute, but I want to also say that they're also leading in fossil fuel deployment too.
  
  Yup, China is also leading the planet on new coal plant construction. As of 2 months ago, it seemed to be on track to add 80GW of coal generation capacity in 2024 alone, and accounts for more than 90% of new coal construction.
  
  By way of comparison, the US peaked in total coal plant capacity in 2011 at 318GW, and has since closed about 134GW of capacity, with more to come.
  
  In context, what we're seeing is massive, massive expansion of electricity generation and transmission capacity, both clean and dirty, in China. We can expect China to increase its total carbon emissions each year to be closer to the West, while the United States reduces its own from a much higher starting point. Maybe the two countries will cross in per capita emissions around 2030 if current trends continue, but there's no guarantee that current trends will continue: will the United States continue to shift from coal to gas? Where does grid scale storage, electrification of passenger vehicles, demand shifting, or dispatchable carbon free power go from here, in a future Trump administration? What's going to happen with the Chinese economy over the next 5 years? What technology will be invented to change things?

I said on Facebook this morning: "I'm sorry Americans, I hate this for you" and caught a 30 day ban. Amazing. I am so sorry.

Just give Facebook a permaban. Them banning you is like your boss writing you up for having the best attendance.
- It's hard as all my Livejournal friends are there. I hate it so much though.
Don't you just love freedom of speech?
- I feel like they've been waiting for a chance to do this. I got similarly banned after Roe vs Wade was overturned when I offered to mail abortion pills to Americans. Vice interviewed me about it.
- I am really wondering if comments will start being unsafe with a lessened expectation of free speech continuing and revenge being the new normal. Im going to start a new account thats not linked to my email address. I'd suggest everyone else do the same.
Look on the bright side, late night political humor is going to get more interesting. They are putting RFK Jr in charge of key public health industries, which is going to create an entertaining amount of karma.

I do hope that the US is able to rush some Ukraine aid, but it does look like Europe is also going to have a hard road ahead. This isn't just Trump winning out, it is a form of undermining democracies winning out, and it will continue to spread much quicker now.
- They are putting RFK Jr in charge of key public health industries,
  
  One positive is that he doesn't seem to be influenced by corporate lobbying.

sees destroyed Statue of Liberty

"They blew it up. Honestly, I get it!"

It's ok I'm going to become one of those cool underground people now with the melted skin who worship a bomb!

yep. the lofty goals of clean, cool future are wiped away and replaced with the more basement boons of high, fast burn out.

Just hand it over to the apes.

Oh wait, we did.

EU and China should put a CO2 tax on products from thr US if they want burn the planet

I was laugh-crying when the EU made that comment about the fate of the world being on some rando US state.

America needs to be downgraded in terms of reputation. We aren't protectors of the world, we can barely help ourselves.
- We actively harm ourselves for shits and giggles apparently.

'Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil's pawn! Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport, or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours.'

I've got bad news for you about the other primates...
- Yeah, but they don't have the ability to fuck the planet like we do.

Well, we can save the planet! Kamala just has to show courage!

I do think its worth creating outreach networks that

A) help people with problems created by climate crisis

B) use open source/public media to reach out to people to help inform them and solve problems.

People use reddit, gofundme etc, but I think it might be more useful to use non corporate media and branch out that way.

Reject

Return

Even Scroob would be an improvement.

Oh, my friend, how did you come to trade the fiddle for the drum?

I don't think kamala "frack the planet" harris was gonna make the environment much better

This kind of puritanical shit is pretty much how Trump won

How anyone could be delusional enough to think Trump would be better somehow for the environment is just beyond me
- Nobody’s saying that the climate denier is better for the environment. We’re saying that Kamala, who “believes in science” would be a smokescreen, just like Biden was.
  
  If your climate agenda is to give tax credits to install heat pumps and a ton of money to EV manufacturers, and to not actually tackle the biggest polluters in the country, you don’t have a serious climate plan. Also deeply unserious is slapping tariffs on China’s affordable and reliable solar panels and EVs.
  
  The military is a huge polluter and greenhouse gas emitter. So are suburban neighborhoods and aviation. If you can’t tackle those by realigning foreign policy, infrastructure, and urban development, then you’re not going far enough.
  
  This won’t be solved by giving a ton of money to private companies and hoping they find a profit motive. We’d need a vast expansion of state capacity at this point.
- trump would not be better but dems have made it clear that they dont really take the environment seriously. They say its a crisis and we have to take action but then they open up more fracking and give more money to military contractors. This doesnt make me a trump voter but it does make me tune them out when they make appeals about climate because I know the dems will still sell the climate down the river in favor of big corporate lobbies when in power. That kind of double talk makes people give up on parties and stop caring.
- It's wild that there's so many stupid people who seem to have forgot what kind of shit Trump pulled during his administration.
Trump is going to dismantle the EPA
- Not sure why you are downvoted. This is one of the big lines in project 2025.
Fuck. You.
- No, frack you

Let's ignore the fact that the US has become the world's largest oil exporter under the current administration. full disclosure: not a yank

KEEP POLITICAL POSTS OFF OF NON POLITICAL COMMUNITIES!!!! ❌❌❌

This place is going to be wall to wall moaning for the next week, isn't it?

Don't look up.

Wall to wall moaning is nothing compared to the incoming shit storm of the next 4 years.
- I'm not even in the same hemisphere as the US, I'll be watching with a mixture of fascination and horror.
  
  Good luck though!
It's on earth so: yes.
All of social media will be. Even for those of us not in the US. It's bad enough with the moaning about our own governments.
Yep, moaning and dooming. I'm probably gonna uninstall my Lemmy app. Cya ya'll.
- Oh no
- This is equivalent to sticking your head in the mud so you don't see the inevitable butt fucking. But you will feel it. Hard.
- Please don't. You have a diverse voice and opinion. don't let people shoo you away because of it

oh stop being the melodramatic american. the world is a huge place and is hardly affected by what happens in your local area. My country didn't change from 2016, nor did most other countries. It is not a world-wide problem.

I'm not saying you can't be upset, please, get mad--I'd be mad. But don't invoke the world's name, please, we don't care.

I think this post is about climate change, which is absolutely a global problem
- Except the US won't do anything to solve their part of climate change, and the change in leadership will not affect their inaction. I think the best bet for solving climate change is a shift to renewable energy and laws and standards for AI and bot use.
  
  Every country also contributes to climate change. It's not exactly an issue where you can put sole blame on someone. China for instance, emits the most CO2, but not by per capita, and also because they handle the world's manufacturing and emissions. The Middle East, Oceania and countries below the equator all contribute more than their share of emissions... But that's also because they're in a hotter, drier climate.
Read Project 2025. And then look at the rest of the leaders that followed Fuckface 45 and his bullshit behavior. This is going to snowball to hell and back.
- I don't care about Project 2025, it's not my country. It doesn't affect me in any meaningful way.
  
  You need to remember the rest of the world isn't as stupid as the US. All the other country's trump wannabes got humiliated, defeated and left the political scene as losers and loners.
  
  Quit assuming the world cares about your dumpster fire. Makes you part of the problem and even more deserving of it. I'm not saying you can't be upset, please, get mad--I'd be mad. But don't invoke the world's name, please, we don't care.
Tell that to Ukrainians
- Trump doesn't control the military, and there's big money to be made in war. Currently, arms manufacturers are some of the most profitable companies. Why stop that revenue? Most likely, if the US ever stops funding Ukraine, then Europe will fund Ukraine and turn more independent and away from relying on the US for defence. Why would the US want an independent Europe?
  
  Or maybe it's just a masterplan from Putin, who somehow, has also convinced the generals to go along with this.
  
  If anything, I'd be more concerned about Israel and the Middle East. It's hard to believe that right now, Israel is holding back. Watch this space, you know?
I live in Canada, so I'm obviously biased in the sense that we're one of the countries most affected by US politics, what with them being our largest trade partner and having a massive land border with them.

That being said, are you unaware of the global rise in right-wing extremism and fascism following the 2016 election? The US is the richest country in the world, with the largest military, and they also have a tremendous amount of soft power (at least in English-speaking countries) through their cultural influence in media exports.

I don't understand what you gain by pretending the US isn't a massive global power with huge influence over international relations.
- Not only that, but they also contribute to climate change per capita way more than any other country and the climate don't care about imaginary lines painted on maps
- I'm not saying they aren't powerful, just pointing out that the world isn't very much affected by elections.
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- Oh yeah? How's it gonna affect everyone? 2016 sure didn't
Do you believe what you're saying or do you pretend to believe?
- I believe it from experience. My country was unaffected by 2016. Same with my neighbouring countries. Nothing dramatic or drastic occurred.
  
  2020 was the same.
  
  This will also be the same.
  
  Most countries are unaffected by other countries' elections.
You said the rest of the world doesn't care, the lemmy downvote count determined that to be a lie.
- oh nooo, not reddit downvotes, anything but those, I'm ruined!
  
  Never mind the fact that Lemmy is predominantly american and that instances outside of the US haven't gotten downvoted for also not caring. I'm trying to say is that Americans downvoted me, and those who are not American upvoted me. Still--Don't care
In a way it's less upsetting reading something so short-sighted, because the chance to stop it has probably passed. We'll all find out together the massive scope of this problem.
- Short-sighted? Please. Nothing major changed in the world from 2016. There was Korea, and... That's bout it. Geopolitically.
Hahaha. You need to grow up a little.
- Saying that the world is diverse, huge and isn't primarily affected by US elections is immature? Explain
I agree with the sentiment. There are so many "democracy is dead" posts that make me want to scream "motherfucker, it's dead in America, not worldwide". The US is one country out of over a hundred. Many of us are just glad that you'll finally shut the fuck up about your election.

With that said, from a climate perspective it fucks everyone over. From a business perspective the economy tanking will affect markets worldwide. For Ukrainians and Palestinians, there's a huge shift towards Russia and Israel that will be problematic for decades.
- It's americans, they're always so dramatic. Best just ignore em
  
  I'd say either way it the climate fucks everyone other. Democrats didn't care for climate change except for virtue signalling, they wouldn't have done anything, they prefer the status quo instead of acting as opposition. Probably what made them lose. And there's also Musk, who makes a business from renewable energy, again though, that's just virtue signalling. Business will probably thrive, honestly, more chance to exploit the working class. Ukraine will be fine, they're supported by Europe and it's against the US's interests to let Europe be independent. Palestine is indeed fucked though, Iran too.
  
  But I'm a goat, I don't know much except for salt.