Do you think if I googled "McDonald's wage theft" it would come up with some stories?

...now you might say "two wrongs don't make a right to thins".... But what if I could then find similar scams and problems centered around exploitation in all billion dollar companies or billionaire rises to power.

Now what if I could then trace these stories back through time and find many billionaires come from wealthy families, and many wealthy families have ties to even more dubious and exploitative practices throughout history.

...from things like America's wars for banana republics or fascists in Latin America, to things like The Triangle Shirtwaist fire maybe even some going back through WW1 & 2, or slavery and colonization.

So it's also a question of what is wrong in the world at large and how to resolve or replace it.

P.S Obviously this assumes those chickens wanted to be nuggets. Turns out moral philosophy is just more difficult than "what's wrong is wrong".

You kind of have to Intervene before they win an election.

Thet should have sorted this out before the election.

The joke is animal abuse?

Hug that poor bastard, cooking what they want in a simple, quick, and cheap way. So sad. \s

"doesn't have to be hard" is another option.

That doesn't answer anything I just asked, you're not saying how or with what you disagree. You're answers aren't coherent.

So where are you saying these interventions should happen if his young supporters are low income, low education voters?

... and how should they happen of "you can't reason someone out of an opinion they didn't reason their way into?"

...and if you think that, then why the JFK quote?

I still have a geocities page, can't login to it, but it's still up.

Whose we? Where do you make these interventions? Places young people hang out? What like, 4chan, 8chan, and places Jordan Peterson fans go? Places like that ..

.... because Trump won with low income and low education voters, not people going to college, so I hope that's not what you meant. He did well with young men too.

So again not sure what your saying lines up against anything I said, regardless of you immediately downvoting my every comment.

So you disagree with the JFK quote, is essentially what you're saying.

I think there are plenty on the left who felt their way into their opinions (that's often how people find their world views), and also are emotional in how they operate or interact when disagreement happens.

But I do agree money is part of how people vote too.

Having to switch services every year seems to be the way these days.

Right so to you, all votes are just preset and no one ever finds a reason to vote different.

But also, did I say I was being respectful the whole time, like what do you think 4chan and 8chan are? They're absolutely places people make heinous statements.

Pretending like me saying "conservatives voted their felt experiences" was actually me saying "conservatives just needed to be reasoned with and they'll pat you on the ass"

Is just a really downright weird interpretation of my comment.

But also, if your view is that you can't reason with, or educate a conservative - then why the fuck did you post this JFK quote saying you can?

You got a weird mis-match of shot going on here bud. Quite incoherent.

They had different levels of respect for free speech, ranging from from the extremely open places, like 4chan and 8chan, to the middle range, like the Jordan Peterson subreddit... To the fairly closed, like the Conservative subreddit.

From what I observed the biggest way a leftist could waste their time over that decade, was acting smug and self-righteous about how dumb Trump supporters are.

That particular behaviour is a big part of why Trump won, because he just had to pretend to work at McDonald's (a joke in which he's questioning Kamal job history), or dress up as a garbage man (in defense of his supporters)... And make a few jokes or outlandish statements to get supporters thinking a) this guy is different b) he makes me feel freer with his antics and c) he seems like a real change from stuffy politicians who never listen to me.

The left's response to the jokes/traps was mostly to mock them and be smug, to say Trump supporters are stupid, and basically doubling down on moralisms and making them feel bad/oppressed.

It was an emotional game, Trump's team made voters feel like change was possible, politics could be fun, and maybe someone was listening to them and going to shake things up.

The lefts message was constantly: you're stupid, you're bad, we're going to do politics as usual and we're not listening to you.

So that's how the election was lost. On emotional games and felt sentiments.

Could have used more people in those spaces wasting their time with me. Oh well. The so right won. That's just how it goes, voters aren't rational, they're emotional.

Heh, sorry, I edited in more info after commenting. But yes, your memory served correctly!

This was a Rupert Murdoch campaign against Social Media called "let them be kids".

Pretty sure cake meant bread in the original quote.

For one thing, the original French phrase that Marie-Antoinette is supposed to have said—“Qu'ils mangent de la brioche”—doesn't exactly translate as “Let them eat cake.” It translates as, well, “Let them eat brioche.”

Brioche is a light and fluffy naturally sweet bread, often had with coffee.

At least someone's getting routed tonight.

I don't think the educated do know that last part anymore. i spent a decade (2014-2024) in rightwing spaces mostly on reddit... I didn't see too many other lefties in them arguing against the alt-right.

Most lefties ignore the majority rightwing places like the plague. They're not out there trying to save democracy by educating one voter at a time. They're just not.

That would put speaker of the house Mike Johnson into office... So you'd usher in Christian Fundamentalism.

Will he and his party be seen as one of the worst for enabling and permitting Trump, and not taking the extraordinary steps required of extraordinary times?

Maybe.