Maybe not something you show off on the first date. Got to lay down the Marxist theory first.

How much less though? Would you still be ok than less than the bare minimum to survive? How about at the bare minimum to survive? How long should we be put at that level?

I ask because most suffering today is caused by decisions made by people in power, not natural cycles.

I should have added a /s to my reply.

I might have misunderstood the context. I took OPs post to mean the sandwich will eventually become 15 dollars, not that they are currently. So I took the post I replied to as indifferent to that future suffering. Was I mistaken?

Yeah y'all need to learn how to be self-sufficient! Look at the people surviving during the Great depression. That's how we all need to be.

No one is immune from propaganda.

Is it though? Like who was promised anything for doing open source software development. It's like volunteering at the soup kitchen. Yeah you're not going to get paid and people are going to eat and leave. That's kind of the point.

Yeah, while we are at it. Everything sucks compared to the starship enterprise. You can't beat photon torpedoes and shields. All current military technology sucks.

A probably a bit political for this topic, but most companies are allowed to lie about most things. Only a few things that they're not allowed to lie about.

I see where you are coming from, but I don't buy it. I think we can sustain the our current level of population and pollute less in a sustainable manner.

Also, the laws required to reduce the population would really cut into happiness. And given the current political climate would probably be circumvented by the rich and used against the poor.

True, but I'm a betting man and I bet that the US intelligence agency is so deep in Microsoft that Linux looks totally free and clear by comparison.

Ok, that makes sense to me. So you would support government regulations on companies to prevent them from making the climate worse right?

The average person spends most of their time at work where they don't control how environmentally friendly they are.

For the average person, yes, but that's nothing compared to what a single stroke of a CEO's pen can do.

"Beware he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart, he dreams himself your master." - Commisioner Pravin Lal, Alpha Centauri (game from Firaxis)

That game was full of many bangers!

Humanity: Let's make a bunch of stories about how space capitalism has some really bad outcomes.

Also Humanity: That sound great! let's do that!

Why don't you just take a day and re-read your reply and see if it still makes sense to you in the context of our conversation.

You: "I smell great!"

Me: "I think you smell bad"

You: "You think an aspect of me is bad, this must mean you think everything about me is bad. You must hate me the most"

Me: "No.... you just need to take a shower."

You: "I can't see how telling me that I am smelly doesn't mean you hate me."

I don't what to tell you, it's not that hard to get.

The natural reactions of everyone to everything are bad

All of them? Some of them? How much humanity will be left if we get rid of everything that doesn't fit into the system?

You’re not going to get to your idea of a good system by tearing the current one down, ever.

I never implied I was intending to tear down the system. Well as long as it remains democratic anyways. A system that can't change has a shelf life one way or another.

All I implied is that the current system isn't good. Not that small changes couldn't make it better.

"The system isn't bad, it's just that the natural reactions of everyone in the system are wrong"

Yeah, that is a sign of a bad system. If it only works for 1% of the people in it, you can't say it is generally a good system.

A good and robust system would deal with the bumpy parts of life. Including human stupidity and our ability to easily fall for propaganda.