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Did Middle East device attack violate international law? Advocates want an investigation

apnews.com Did Middle East device attack violate international law? Advocates want an investigation

Human rights advocates are calling for an independent investigation into the deadly explosions of pagers and walkie-talkies in Lebanon and Syria.

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Israel ignored an order from the U.N.’s top court to halt its military offensive in southern Gaza after South Africa accused Israel of genocide. Russia, too, has ignored the court’s call for it to end its invasion of Ukraine.

There is zero logical reason to treat Russia and Israel differently.
- politics has never been logical.
  
  The article on the post links to another one, https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-palestinians-court-ceasefire-01d093d21a1eadaa31af5708cf1cbf38
  
  From that,
  
  stopped short of ordering a cease-fire for the enclave
  
  Hmm, but what does it mean to halt a military offensive without having a cease-fire?
  
  While I don't understand that bit, this part here I do.
  
  the court doesn’t have a police force to enforce its orders.
  
  I think in general we do need to have these international courts examining these situations and making rulings about it. It provides necessary justification to individual countries to back Palestine and condemn Israel, especially while Oct 7 remains unforgotten and unsolved.
- You're wrong. There's one reason (whether it's logical or not, I'm not discussing it):
  
  The US supports one but not the other one.
  
  Edit: Seeing the downvotes, the message might have been misunderstood: what I'm saying is that if we're treating them differently it is only because the US supports Israel so Netanyahu the nazi gets a free pass.
- idk if it matters, but there is the nuance that russia and Ukraine were friends once and russia backstabbed them, while palestine and israel never were friends and it's a smoldering conflict with 80 years of atrocities on both sides, that now escalated into this new dimension of a shitshow.
  
  People of all religions used to coexist in the area before the Brits declared they were in charge and segregation was a good idea.
  
  The both sides argument ignores the difference in scale. Palestinian atrocities are on the scale or killing a family or blowing up a bus, while Israeli atrocities are more on the massacring a village or blowing up a 100 member family to oblivion level.
- There is zero logical reason to treat Russia and Israel differently.
  
  There remains one important difference - Oct 7
- And somehow Israel gets military aid in the exact same US bill that allocated Ukraine's aid and nobody's head exploded: no politician, no mainstream journalists...
- Politics under the guise of religious differences?
- nothing to see here :)
  
  Hamas isn't a territory. Gaza is. Israel is invading Gaza.
- I don't think it broke international law, well, outside of the civilian casualties.
  
  But... It should have. We need something so you can't do stupid crap like this without some authorization, ie the UN has to sanction it somehow.
  
  Which basically makes it impossible in most cases, but it should be.
- Do you believe Putin when he says ukraine is committing geoncide against Russians in the donbas?
  
  if not, then I'm not sure why you would believe hamas when they claim that israel is committing genocide against palestinians in gaza.
  
  There is zero logical reason to treat Russia and Palestine differently.
  
  Are the UN and the ICJ saying so in this case?
- Here's one reason for you to digest: hamas refuses to recognize Israel as a country and would rather Israel be totally destroyed than recognize it in some way to have peace.
  
  You can't say Ukraine refuses to recognize russia as a country and it is a fact that Ukraine would stop fighting the moment all russians fuck off back to russia. Can you say hamas will stop fighting even if Israel finallt took its grubby hands off the West Bank and Gaza? hah, no.
  
  There is also the other reason that russia is doing both the brutality of Israel and the unrestrained suicidal fanaticism of hamas on Ukraine. You can bothsides Israel-hamas to some extent, not Ukraine.
  
  They say they accept the premise of the two state solution. You using the same logic of fear used to justify maintaining apartheid in south africa. People used to say if it's abolished black would take revenge on white people
  
  I mean... I'd like to use as a counterpoint that Israel claimed to support a state of Palestine, basically right up until the British left.
  
  Then suddenly things got a lot more 'Eretz Yisrael'.
  
  I don't doubt that Hamas might say they're fine with the existence of Israel so long as they have no alternative, and their idea of Israel is probably different than Israel's current borders, just like Bibi and his assholes have been trying to mumble noncommittal noises while they tried to bulldozer their way to the Jordan.
  
  Is Israel recognising Palestine as a country?
  
  Post 7th Oct I refuse to recognise Israel as a country. It’s clearly a terrorist state hellbent on the genocide of the Palestinians.
  
  It needs to go.
An investigation into whether Israel violated international law? I wonder who will veto that?
- US can only veto security council resolutions. ICC doesn't need UNSC to investigate.
  
  Same result - UN won't take military action, but ICC can still proceed.
I mean… if it didn’t, we’re probably gonna need at least one new international law.
- What I'm saying, it clearly doesn't look like it should be OK.
  
  Oh, no disagreement there
Realistically the indescriminant nature of this attack with high likelyhood of civilian casualties it probably will be classified similarly to cluster munitions and be banned, and nations with enough geopolitical weight to skirt these rules will continue to skirt them then play dumb when they're called out and hauled in front of the ICC, ultimately facing zero repercussions
Funny how the only articles breaking Betteridge's law of headlines has been about Israel doing war crime things.

Is Ismail Haniyeh's assassination a setback for Israel-Hamas peace talks?
I mean yeah investigate it but I think we all know that Israel doesn't give a fuck.
Did terrorist attack on civilians break international law? I dont think we even have international law anymore.
- Yes. This isnt the first time Israel has broken these laws...
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