Cyrus Draegur @lemm.ee when you fall down the stairs, do you timestamp the moment you tripped, the moment you landed at the bottom, or every moment you hit each and every step on the way down?
80 1 Replytetris11 @lemmy.world The bottom, but no one knows how long the stairway was and the steps seem to peter out into smaller and smoother ramps the lower you go.
8 0 ReplyCanadaPlus @lemmy.sdf.org Beautiful.
In some ways, this is worse, because they hit metaphorical stairs the whole way up as well, and where the "top" is is a matter of what you want to measure.
It's very not-the-circlejerk, but maybe 13 should be "Rome never existed in the first place".
18 0 ReplyCethin @lemmy.zip Your correction should be "The Roman Empire...". The city of Rome existed without a doubt. (So did the empire, but it fits what you're saying.)
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A_Union_of_Kobolds @lemmy.world A better metaphor doesn't exist lmao perfect
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PugJesus @lemmy.world OP Explanation: Due to Rome's longevity and its wide reach, there are a number of dates that can be used as its fall - some quite, uh, interesting. For bonus points, my date of choice isn't here.
Oh, and for those curious, the most commonly accepted answers are:
476 AD (Fall of the city of Rome and the Western Empire)
1204 AD (Sack of Constantinople and the break of government continuity in the Byzantine Empire)
1453 AD (Siege of Constantinople and conquest of the Byzantine Empire by the Ottoman Turks)
59 0 ReplyPugJesus @lemmy.world OP 27 BCE (Fall of the Republic)
395 AD (Split of the Empire into East and West)
476 AD (Fall of the city of Rome and the Western Empire)
717 AD and 867 AD (Byzie stuff? Not sure)
1204 AD (Sack of Constantinople and the break of government continuity in the Byzantine Empire)
1453 AD (Siege of Constantinople and conquest of the Byzantine Empire by the Ottoman Turks)
1806 AD (Dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire, the Germanic state which claimed legitimacy by being crowned by the Pope)
1917 AD (Fall of the Romanov dynasty which claimed dynastic continuity with the Byzantine Empire and called Russia the 'Third Rome')
55 0 Replygrte @lemmy.ca 717 AD (-718 AD): Siege of Constantinople by the Umayyad Caliphate
867 AD: Basil I murders Michael III, becoming emperor and establishing the Macedonian dynasty, beginning a Byzantine revival
22 0 ReplyEldritchFeminity @lemmy.blahaj.zone And if you go by the last one, you can say that they sold Coca-Cola in the Roman Empire.
17 0 ReplyCanadaPlus @lemmy.sdf.org And TBF there is a pretty good argument that Russia picked up where Byzantium left off, on cultural and religious fronts.
Edit: And if you accept that, maybe 1917 was just a change of dynasty, and it either never fell or fell in 1990.
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Droechai @lemm.ee Romania and the Papal state still exist so we have one secular and one spiritual remain of Western Rome
4 0 Replydb0 @lemmy.dbzer0.com 1453 AD (Siege of Constantinople and conquest of the Byzantine Empire by the Ottoman Turks)
The petrified king will rise again!
3 0 ReplyAatube @kbin.melroy.org What's your preferred?
4 0 ReplyPugJesus @lemmy.world OP 284 AD. The ascension of Diocletian and the shift away from the city of Rome as the center of the Empire. There's still an Empire after that point - but it's only dubiously Roman.
8 0 ReplyCanadaPlus @lemmy.sdf.org Things got pretty chaotic in the 300s already. The battle of Adrianople or generally the Gothic War would be a classic choice, and you could even cut it off with Constantine or Valerian if you want to emphasis the transition to Christianity and the accompanying cultural shift.
I don't know why I'm guessing, PugJesus is right here...
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flamingos-cant @feddit.uk 10, because the Bible says the world will end when Rome falls and yet I still have work tomorrow.
22 0 ReplyCanadaPlus @lemmy.sdf.org I'm pretty sure that was Babylon, but it's been a while.
8 0 ReplySeptimaeus @infosec.pub Hold my ziggurat, I’m going in.
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Agent641 @lemmy.world Sound of Philip K Dick smashing option 10 repeatedly
25 0 ReplyWoahWoah @lemmy.world This is my favorite comment. Perhaps ever. 🤣
8 0 ReplyKalothar @lemmy.ca I’m not familiar with the connection, can you explain it?
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milkisklim @lemm.ee Trick question. All the dates are not in AUC format.
15 0 Replygreencactus @lemmy.world I request to add 480 to the list!
6 0 Replyfinitebanjo @lemmy.world I'm just glad we can all agree it sure af wasn't 1943.
8 0 ReplyTar_Alcaran @sh.itjust.works 1917 is REALLY stretching it
12 0 Replymilkisklim @lemm.ee I know right.... the correct answer is 1997 with the transfer of Hong Kong to the PRC.
18 0 Replyfinitebanjo @lemmy.world This one has my vote.
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nifty @lemmy.world The answer is however the teacher thinks it happened, history is subjective like that
3 0 Replyboringgus @lemmy.blahaj.zone 12, it's 1922.
6 0 ReplyRestaldt @lemmy.world Yes but is the Roman empire happy?
5 0 Replynonfuinoncuro @lemm.ee one must imagine the Roman empire to be happy
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lugal @lemmy.dbzer0.com I love how 11 implies 10 as well. You can't choose that it fell in one sense or another many times without also saying it is yet to fall
6 0 Replyqarbone @lemmy.world The answer is 12. Then, in the margins, you go on a deranged tirade about how an insignificant party fact was actually Rome died.
5 0 ReplySergio @slrpnk.net This would be a great test question if it was a "short answer" or "essay" question, graded on the quality of answer given.
5 0 ReplyMandy @sh.itjust.works Yesn't
2 0 ReplyiAvicenna @lemmy.world 10 it lives with us and just requires a single apocalypse to come back life
2 0 ReplyShardikprime @lemmy.world - Depends
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