He'll be the death of us all.
He'll be the death of us all.
It’s not like any candidate was actually good but they did pick the worst one.
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It's funny, they say fascism happens in slow motion and no one expects it to actually happen until it's to late.
I really feel like we're watching it happen in America.
Everyone's laughing at Trump's stupidity while the systems to stop fascism are slowly destroyed behind the scenes.
Feels like he's just a distraction from what's actually happening.
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No one's laughing at trump's shit anymore. Anyone with at least a lukewarm iq and even a cursory knowledge of history can see his fascism. It's just the system is rigged to give regressive areas more voting power
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You don't even need any of that, he explicitly told everyone that he's gonna be a dictator
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complaining about the rise of fascism
infers anyone who's not going to vote fascism away is a dunce
mentions lukewarm iq
mentioning iq at all
guess there's just a predetermined, genetic based, level of intelligence hey mate? scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds, comrades.
I'm not American, I dont get a vote, I laugh at trump, and all of America, to keep myself from crying.
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I keep saying it, but no one wants to join my radical and poorly regulated militia so this will be everyone else's fault.
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my radical and poorly regulated militia
Talk about fighting fire with fire!
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Yup, not to say that my country is doing much better or anything, but looking over at the USA it's almost comical how extremely clear their decline into fascism and decay is. It'd almost be funny if it weren't so serious.
Unfortunately it's not hard to see a future where the rest of the world have to fight a war against some future form of christiofascist white supremacist USA.
Not next year or the year after of course, but within my lifetime for sure. People forget how quickly some nations go from progressive and democratic to straight up Third Reich.
It takes a shockingly short amount of time once the slow burn has laid the ground work over the initial decades. The slow burn we're watching now.
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Yeah but this slow burn is already like ten years old. The fascists demand retribution for us daring to elect Obama. As soon as they saw the light at the end of that tunnel, they said never again.
If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy. (David Frum)
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Against Christofascists sure. I don't see any actual white supremacy coming out of the USA. It is far too blended of a country now. Everyone knows someone, is related to someone, or involved with someone of varying races. Our friends, our families, and our lovers are all races. Sure, there will be little hate groups still, but white people are quickly losing ground to non-whites, and the government is very inter-racial. Whites are already a minority in California, and set to become minorities nationwide by 2045.
But the Christofacism is a very real threat, and the US military is a monumental behemoth of monstrous proportions. Woe to all if the Christofascists gain unchecked power.
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It does happen in slow motion, and every single time, some people see it happening. They march and wave their arms shouting FASCISM! whilst their neighbours call them hyperbolic.
If you read contemporaneous accounts, you can feel the frustration.
Or… I thought I could feel the frustration, until recently (eta: if you haven’t read They Thought They Were Free by Milton Mayer, please do as soon as possible). Now it’s doubly frustrating. I keep wracking my brain, wondering what I can do that they didn’t. I can’t stop this, so I keep saying ‘if you were a German in the 1930s, knowing what you know now, what would you do?’
I don’t know the answer to that. I know many Germans saw it coming and couldn’t stop it.
What the fuck can we do? Because it is absolutely coming.
e: oh, and worse, trump isn’t actually the problem. He’ll likely lose, then everyone will high five that we’ve defeated The Problem, but Trump is just their carnival barker. He could die tomorrow and the threat wouldn’t change. There’s a solid fascist movement in the US and elsewhere that will not stop with trump’s defeat. There are thousands of them in high levels of the US government , and they’ll barely miss a beat without trump. He barely matters, and I’m afraid when he loses, the fascist movement behind this will find a wide opening.
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I keep wracking my brain, wondering what I can do that they didn’t
These internal questions are what led to me finally realizing how powerless I really am. I can't even convince my close personal friends to re-evaluate the batshit crazy things they learn online, let alone change the trajectory of a nation.
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Not an answer, but food for thought: https://effectiveactivist.com/
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It's too late.
Fascism isn't something on the horizon. Look at what is happening in Idaho. Within a year or two half of the US states will have criminalized abortion, and all you hear from federal legislators is how important it is that we shovel more money we don't have into other countries' wars.
It's over.
The only power you or I have left is in our immediate local communities, where you can still accomplish the general good.
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I got banned from a web forum in 2015 for calling Trump a fascist. This shit should not have been any sort of surprise to anybody paying attention.
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Read world news. This is in no way just America.
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No but this post is about the US
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They're not even bothering with destroying things behind the scenes. They're doing it right out in the open, because nobody has the teeth and cajones to stop them.
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Which Republican candidate would you have preferred to win? Most of them are more fascist than Trump.
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At this point it likely doesn't matter. The US has fucked itself so hard. They'll either fall or spend decades trying to get back to where they were.
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Lol pick a candidate that is likely going to be in prison come election time! Geniuses!
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Zero chance he is in prison by election day.
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A man's gotta have a dream
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At this point the only things between Trump and a jail cell are:
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The courts must rule in the coming days (probably this month, Jan 2024) that Presidents are subject to criminal prosecution. We know Presidents are not subject to civil prosecution, but the courts are deciding about criminal prosecution now. (Trump argues it would be "bedlam" if Presidents were subject to the law).
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A jury decision in mid 2024. If that jury says "guilty", it's over, Trump is a convicted felon.
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Most of the people I know who plan to vote for him think of that as a good thing. It's the whole "drain the swamp" thing that he's been rallying people behind for years; they think bad actors in the government are trying to hold Trump down, and him being in jail is just another attempt to do that - from their perspective, electing him even while he's imprisoned would be a big "fuck you" to those bad actors.
It's sad that they can't see that Trump himself is the bad actor, but to most of them, Trump is their last hope to hold on to their beloved world of racism and misogyny, free of any "woke bullshit." They'll overlook anything he says or does at this point, since they don't see any other way forward than through Trump.
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I just don't understand the appeal. Forget all of the gross shit he's done over the years, the terrible and fraudulent business he's conducted, he's just gross period. Like standing there, sounding like a rambling lunatic, not finishing sentences, $10 spray tan, and ill fitting suit. How does that track as "wow what an amazing businessman!"
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Yeah right. If he wins, he's free. Shame on the justice department for not completing a single trial in FOUR FUCKING YEARS. Have they even started any of them? No way any of them are wrapped up before the election. The wheels of justice turn slowly. Yeah, yadda yadda yadda. They're barely turning at all against this fat fucking loser.
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His lawyers have run out pretty much every option to delay trials, although several judges have seemed pretty damn complicit as well. I get wanting to make sure the case is as airtight as possible, but...the people they're worried about pissing off with a case that isn't entirely formed, were just going to be pissed off anyway.
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There is almost no chance they are gonna lock him up. He could openly murder someone with his own hands, on stage, and he would still be able to run in the elections.
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Unfortunately, I think you're probably right. We keep seeing it over and over again. The judicial system continues to move slowly with as many delays and roadblocks as possible. When judgements are made, they are stayed during an appeal so they have no teeth. The farce of the Supreme Court will never let anything bad happen to their dear leader. They will delay, delay, delay until Trump is either reelected - in which case he'll pardon himself. Or until a new president is elected in 2028. If it's a Republican, they'll pardon Trump on day 1. If it's a Democrat, the Republicans in Congress will find some way to force a presidential pardon in order to keep the government funded or some other bullshit.
I think there's a 0% chance Trump ever sees a single day in prison. Even if none of what I said above happens, he'd get a slap on the wrist at worst. I would LOVE to be proven wrong. But I'm not holding my breath.
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Haven’t you heard? He’s the second coming of Christ and his cross is the US legal system.
e: link
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After decades of headlines like the one you just posted absolutely nothing has happened.
Trump is bulletproof and he knows it, and now, he doesn't have to lie about how shitty his opponent in the race is.
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You fucking jinxed it.
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I heard that mentioned on MSNBC, 30% of the people who caucused for him say that they would not vote for him if he was convicted.
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30% of the people who caucused for him are liars
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Trying to prosecute him for his real crimes is honestly damaging the election chances of Biden, lots of voters with a vicarious persecution complex through Trump.
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Isn't the point of "conservatives" to tear everything down? Because then they just elected the right man for that.
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That's an accelerationist or a nihilist. If the status quo is pro-immigration and pro-LGBT rights, wanting to keep this status quo will make you a "conservative" because you want to conserve the status quo.
People love to harp about the good ole days
They're reactionaries.
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Nah that's just how they look from a sane individual's perspective. They think they're helping, it would be cute if it wasn't so fucking sad.
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This though. People love to harp about the good ole days but leave out that the good ole days were good cause only cishet white men could participate in the economy
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The problem is I actually see Trump winning by breaking every system in the process and the ramifications will be, well, bad
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His followers were loyal enough to ransack the Capitol building, what would he have them do in the face of his conviction or disqualification?
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Who cares? Let's get it over with. Causing opposition to move fearfully has served these traitors for too long now. We will do the right thing, within the limits of the law. We will not allow fear to dictate how we respond to evil.
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Massive Coronary 2024.
The only sane choice.
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I think DeSantis might be even worse
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Rhonda?
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No, that's Santis.
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Damn you! Now that abominable song is stuck in my head and probably will be for the rest of the day! 🤦
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He absolutely is. Anyone who thinks Trump is worse is caught up in the media slop. DeSantis is worse.
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Not possible. Desantis is too intelligent. No one can be like Trump. No one would risk being so immature and childish. Trump doesn't risk it because he is that way naturally. Ramaswamy tried but he is a mature person trying to act like Trump which never works.
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Trump's stupidity is his saving grace. People think he's the worst president we may have ever had. But people also fail to recognize the fact that Trump would never have gotten anything done, if not for Republican assistance. Trump is a clownish symptom. Not the problem. Republicans are the problem. And they have been ever since. FDR cut a deal with fascist Republicans back in the 1930s.
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They can still write him in, though. And knowing the typical MAGAt, they might be stubborn enough to do so even without knowing it'll work. And then see it as confirmation of some insane conspiracy.
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Someone strapping on a suicide vest would be a more appropriate image.
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Yeah, it's not just his supporters who will get hurt if he gets power again
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If the media didn’t want him to win, they shouldn’t have called the race before even 10% of the state got a chance to vote. There’s going to be hundreds, possibly thousands of people who left caucuses early when they heard the race was called. The media is not only complicit in his win there, they have also exposed themselves to retaliation from campaigns and voters alike.
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History. Since 1972, the Iowa caucuses have had a 55% success rate at predicting which Democrat, and a 43% success rate at predicting which Republican, will go on to win the nomination of their political party for president at that party's national convention. Source: Wiki
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Honestly, picking Trump again is a good thing for the rest of us. We know he can lose and because of the last presidential election and his base is just getting smaller.
It's not like any Republican is a good candidate. All of them think abortion is a crime and will appoint shit supreme court justices. So give me the one I know loses because they lost before.
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Except Bidens base is also getting smaller. The whole funding a genocide thing isn't exactly winning him any supporters.
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I'm judging bases on data about ages and death. You're judging bases on feelings from social media.
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Biden BARELY beat him the first time around and conditions are WORSE this time around:
1: The electorate has a ridiculously short memory and aren't currently suffering from Trump being president.
2: Related to but distinct from 1, Biden's main strategy of "at least I'm not the other guy" is much less effective for an incumbent than a challenger.
3: Biden is currently alienating a large part of his own base by supporting two seperate genocides (Gaza and Yemen), one of which Democrats actually care about even when there's a Dem president.
Don't get me wrong, I REALLY want him to win since he's by far the lesser evil, but for the above reasons and others, there's a significant risk of him actually losing if the traitor isn't disqualified as he should be
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Biden won by nearly 7 million votes with a 62% of votes under 30 years old and 52% under 45 years old.
Actually the only age group he didn't win with was 65+ and they're the ones dropping faster and faster each month.
So you're assuming people will take Trump over Biden because he was involved in genocide when he was involved in 8 years of drone strike champion before he ran in 2020.
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Isn’t Nikki Haley a lot more moderate on abortion and stuff? She even called for competency tests for politicians over 75.
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Nope.
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Competency tests, hooray. Yes. Absolutely. Test them all.
But yeah she's kind of a nightmare on other political issues. I think she called for the end of anonymity on the internet?...some good would come from that, I'm sure, but OOF. So much opportunity for corruption, tracking, invasion of privacy, persecution....more than there currently already is. No thank you. Keep that internet as open & free as possible.
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DeSantis is a much worse choice than trump. I would take trump over him any day of the week.
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Desantis has the veneer of sanity, and actually has a clue regarding how to make things worse. He knows exactly what he’s doing. Trump just flails about and expects underlings to figure it out.
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My only hope is that people as morally insane as Trump are rare, and there may be a correlation between his sociopathic traits, and how seemingly incompetent he is.
What this hopefully means in practice is that even though this time around he will surround himself with yes-men over which he will have more control, few of them will be precisely like Trump and so not immune to actual concern for the future, and to Trump's surprise will not all follow his insane ideas without question, as Trump clearly wants everyone to do. He can't rule on his own. He does need some people, and people needing people requires at least a semblance of regard for others.
In this same way, even his stacked Supreme Court I think will still be likely to put America itself ahead of Trump and a victory that would make a mockery of their own institution, the constitution, and just general common sense.
It's only a shred of hope, but one which might enable civil society to survive another Trump presidency, and if we're really lucky, avoid it.
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I know nothing of DeSantis outside he's running. Can you or someone share a tl;dr. It's hard for me to imagine someone worse than Trump. But then again, never thought we'd have someone worse than George W...
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The short version is that he's gutted public services in Florida and made life worse for nearly everyone there - while engaging in massive culture war bullshit to distract his base
Not to downplay that, it includes laws and discourse such as 'Dont Say Gay' and attacking school curriculums that are incredibly damaging. He's the guy that flew refugees to Martha's Vineyard to 'make a point'
https://time.com/6266618/ron-desantis-florida-governance-essay/
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Desantis is basically a competent Trump. They both have terrible ideas but Desantis would be able to pull it off because he already has in ruining Florida.
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Anyone else looking into viable countries to move to if this shitshow happens again? Whats your top 3 list??
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The fashycons are taking over all around the world. They've managed to convince everyone that this shit economy is anyone’s fault but theirs.
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Neoliberalism is the gateway drug to fascism.
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netherlands, denmark, maybe germany, maybe finland. i'd most rather live in the netherlands or possibly denmark, although it'd probably make more sense for me to want to live in germany or finland because i don't speak dutch or danish lmao. regardless though getting permanent residence in denmark or finland is practically a hopeless goal for a majority of people, so they're basically out of the question
i can get slovak, maybe german citizenship based on descent (i'm in the process of getting the stuff i need from the slovak government to apply for citizenship but they really take their sweet time) and i'm mostly a software guy so it'd probably make the most sense to move to one of those, however the netherlands probably holds way better opportunities for me
for most people getting into another country (especially europe) is out of the question though, you either have to have extremely marketable work experience (like 3-5 years as an engineer or developer) or you have to happen to qualify for citizenship by descent and have the birth/marriage/death/citizenship/residence documents for it (e.g. anyone who had italian citizenship since 1860, anyone who lived in an area controlled by hungary ever since hungary existed, anyone who was polish 1920 or later, anyone who was czechoslovak or german for the past century, an irish grandfather)
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Yea citizenship would be a rough go in some places. Hopefully my work experience at least gets me in and see how it goes from there.
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LOL. Total land slide by just 15% of the votes ....where the heck was the rest of the population at? PTA meetings?
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It was cold AF. They didn't want to freeze. The entire Midwest....cold AF right now.
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Not just the Midwest - there was one weather station in WV that was reporting a colder temp than one of the stations in Antarctica for a bit earlier this week.
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The PNW is also just barely out of the freezer today. Lots of slushy black iced roads and such.
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Makes it easier to decide at the actual election. The "RINO"s might be swayed to not vote for drumpf when they might have for someone else.
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Trump is certainly better than Nikki Haley, Haley wants to dox the entire world.
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Are you guys kvetching about losing Trump...It was supposed to be our holocaust
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What’s wrong with Jewish people running some companies
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Common China W. Americans literally dying as a nation day by day while China becomes the guardian of the world. Century of humiliation.
Guess the capitalism didn't pay off?
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Good thing the DNC is picking a totally reasonable and non controversial candidate for the Democrats. Definitely not a straight up genocide supporter.
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Trump is a genocide enjoyer, he goes way beyond supporting it.
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this fucking guy again. every single comment is some form of Biden genocide. we get it. we don't like it either. but we aren't so stupid that we think trump would be better. he would be so much worse. he would probably be genocide plus fascist.
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Trump is a Zionist too dude.
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Yes. we are the point that both parties are Nazis's.
Following this course of sliding right into Nazism we'll have Adolf Hitler running for the Republicans and a Trump figure running for the Democrats. And then you're all going to vote for the Trump guy because he's not the Hitler guy.
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Honestly, if you're a republican, Trump is the only pic. I'm no fan of Republicans, but this is clearly the Republican party punching the Republican populace in the face.
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Honestly, if you’re a republican, Trump is the only pic.
Why?
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You haven't been paying much attention to the Republican party as of late, have you? "Circle the wagons and toe the line" has been their schtick for a while now.
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If I for some reason were a republican I would have voted for Chris Christie.
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Sadly, it's probably their least insane option.
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Yeah, freeze ‘im into a pic!
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Honestly this is just liberal strongman politics.
Please learn to identify and complain about the things that are actually increasing fascism and not just be like "bad people might make the country bad if they're in charge" Trump is a symptom not the disease.
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This is just American voters in general every single election. Vote red. Vote blue. Doesn't matter. It just keeps getting worse.
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BoTh SiDeS!!1!!!!1
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They're both right-wing parties that don't give a fuck about the working class lol; they're on the same side.
And the supposedly "lesser evil" one is currently openly funding and supporting a genocide (even going as far as to bypass congress to do so) and is openly a zionazi.
There is no representation of the other (leftist) side in the US, and there will never be until the system itself, that's specifically designed to prevent that and serve Capital instead, is overthrown.
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It's all one side. I know fans of each party like to twist themselves in knots to find daylight between them but outside of the culture war nonsense & which brand of idpol they subscribe to, the distance between them has only gotten smaller with every passing election in my lifetime.
The supposed solution to trump and the gop (who was labeled a dangerous madman that would get us into ww3) was to elect Biden and the Democrats
What has happened since?
- Provoke Russia
- Provoke China
- Provoke Iran
- Arm Nazis in Ukraine
- Aid "Israel" in their genocide
All while their own citizens continue to struggle with basics like food & shelter.
Will republicans be happy to continue all of these? 100%. But let's not pretend there's some grand meaningful difference between them unless your most important issues fall within the category of the culture war in which case you must be doing pretty well.
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We could vote for things to actually get better, but mostly throw our votes away on worse instead.
inb4 "clearly you don't get the myopic logic that brought us here"
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