No more concessions to liberalism

need this comment pinned to the top of .world for the next months

> Democrats: Run most leftist administration in the history of the country

> Democrats: Pass law after law and EO after EO that are a wishlist of progressive and leftist policies

> Democrats: Put officers from the most famous leftist movement in a century in high and visible positions of power in the government

> Leftists online: We never get anything by voting for Democrats they have betrayed us and move to the right constantly

TBH, it's long past time for the Democratic Party to actually start ignoring the fringe left and work for the American people.

If you go further Left

Marxist-Leninists: “WhERe iS tHe leFt uNiTy?”

Buried with all the Anarchists and Trotskyists cold bloodedly murdered by Lenin and Stalin.

Is that why you helped the fascist win? Cause that's a better option?

You Americans refuse to take personal responsibility for your lack of duty and apathy. And you really don't get it

My only hope is you morons stay where you are and reap what you sow, instead of coming to my country and infecting us with your toxicity

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, “Don’t do it!” He said, “Nobody loves me.” I said, “God loves you. Do you believe in God?”

He said, “Yes.” I said, “Are you a Christian or a Jew?” He said, “A Christian.” I said, “Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?” He said, “Protestant.” I said, “Me, too! What franchise?” He said, “Baptist.” I said, “Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?” He said, “Northern Baptist.” I said, “Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?”

He said, “Northern Conservative Baptist.” I said, “Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?” He said, “Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region.” I said, “Me, too!”

Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?” He said, “Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912.” I said, “Die, heretic!” And I pushed him over.

- Emo Philips

You say that as if the DNCs campaign strategy wasn't to absolutely abandon the left and try to court "moderate republicans", which we very obviously just learned don't actually exist.

I mean, the lessons are likely to be permanent, regardless. This might be the last few months of peace before the US turns into an authoritarian terror wasteland via project 2025. Hopefully it won’t, but all three branches of government have been compromised, which leaves little hope.

I love how anything outside of what the democratic party wants to do is labelled "ideological purity" even though democrats endlessly shriek at anyone who does not toe the democratic party line. Democrats had their way, again, and lost, again. How about we try something new instead of democrats constantly trying to appeal to fascists while pretending to be the only thing to stand against fascism?

It's like you want to take this loss and make the lessons permanent...

Yes. That’s the point. If they can’t have exactly what they want, then acceleration towards collapse is more desirable than comprise.

What axiom is the left ideology built on that allows it to be ideologically pure? For example, the right has property rights to build on, which itself is derived from the ownership of your own person. What fundamental truth does the left build their views on?

It’s like you want to take this loss and make the lessons permanent…

Yep. They don't care what happens to workers or minorities. They just want to have someone to point their fingers at to blame for the world's problems - and what better way to get that than handing over all power to literal fascists?

Liberalism is the ideology of capitalism.

In the US, socialism has historically been shunned and not represented in the political sphere, to the point that the right started using "liberal" derisively and associated the term with socialism. Internationally, the term retains more of its original meaning, for example, in the UK the "Liberal Democrats," are more like libertarians.

Liberals are generally conservative, meaning they support the status quo or gradual change. US "conservatives" are sometimes more accurately called reactionaries or regressives, because they don't just want to preserve the status quo but to actively roll back progress that has already been made.

Because leftism is a very broad term, it's difficult to define exactly what leftists believe in an uncontroversial way, but generally speaking leftists support radical change away from capitalism.

The cause of the confusion:

Liberalism is the political project which gave us the 18th century liberal revolutions of for instance, the US and France. It centers invidivual freedoms like free speech, association, and the right to own and use private property without interference from the government. It can be seen as a reaction by the land owning middle classes of the 17th and 18th centuries to the power of divine right monarchs, and is the founding principal of both the Democratic and Republican parties. It centralizes human rationality and debate of ideas as means of finding true paths to the future.

Leftism is an umbrella term which holds a few groups in it (Most notably Social democrats, Communist Socialist, and Communist Anarchist ideologies). It can be traced back through history to many times and places, but modern forms of it originate in the utopian socialism of post-revolution France. Leftism promotes the primacy of human well being and equality (or at least more equally distributed material wealth) over property rights. Generally this takes the form of support for the abolition of class society (owner class vs worker class), belief in worker-centered policy, trade unionism, worker cooperativity, and internationalism... but again, it is a big umbrella, and there is a lot of deviation from this formula. In place of rationalism and debate of ideas, Leftism generally centers material conditions and material outcomes of policy.

Liberalism is a moral philosophy based on individual rights, liberty and equality - this is universally agreed apon terminology almost everywhere apart from here on Lemmy. Here for some reason people keep referring to classical capitalism as liberals like it's a historical discussion about the economic system of the 16th-18th centuries. We should really be using neoliberalism or libertarianism instead now days, because those are new words that evolved specifically to reduce confusion and refer to similar economic ideas but in modern context.

liberals tend to be democrats and support democrat views. leftists want something better and tend to vote democratic as there's not really a better option. liberals tend to be center, even center right, while leftists are actually on the left

Here you go: https://youtu.be/33p-8QHZpzY

It depends on the person. For some liberalism is capitalism and leftism is socialism. The real cut is for some any capitalism is liberalism and any socialism is communist. So folks who want managed capitalism (regulations) for like selling crap but want social safety nets (government run programs) for necessary things like education and healthcare. Whelp one side says they are way right liberalists (classical) capitalist facists and the other says they are way left radical communist facists. Those who embrace the centerism (not very central now due to the overton window) disagree but are usually willing to give one way or another to get close to what they want. In the us they are called democrats (sorta, again, overton window).

The real idiots are the liberals, who knew they had to capitulate to the left to win and refused anyway.

"Worker solidarity as long as the worker in question agrees with me about pretty much everything"

I don’t even think you can call them leftists at this point. Being a leftist is fundamentally about worker solidarity. This is something else entirely. It’s a purity spiral death cult!

Yeah, the Bush/Gore race ended so poorly we never got a Democratic candidate that was left of center again.

Democrats and moderates are blaming leftists because they believe that because of their stances on Gaza and other issues that leftists didn't vote for them. They are unable to reflect on why they actually lost and don't realize the thousand plus issues with their own party so they are working overtime to try and shift the blame. They ran the most unappealing campaign since Clinton and independents didn't show up or actively voted against her.

Fucking too true.

Argued till I was blue in the face right here on Lemmy about sitting out and voting third party. The entire time I was thinking those who are fine with Trump must either be stupid or privileged so as not to be as affected by his bullshit.