Russia’s sabotage of western targets ‘could trigger Nato defence clause’
Russia’s sabotage of western targets ‘could trigger Nato defence clause’
German intelligence chief warns of Russian ‘direct military confrontation’ with Nato if the Kremlin steps up warfare
Summary
Germany’s intelligence chief, Bruno Kahl, warned that Russia’s hybrid warfare, including cyberattacks and sabotage, could escalate to the point where NATO considers invoking Article 5, its mutual defense clause.
Speaking in Berlin, Kahl noted Russia’s growing military capabilities, including battle-hardened troops and advanced drone warfare, which could pose a direct threat to NATO by the end of the decade.
Russia may aim to test NATO’s unity rather than launch large-scale invasions, raising concerns over potential “red line” provocations designed to undermine the alliance’s credibility.
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Just fucking do it already. We are all going to fuck sooner or later so let's get it on now. No more foreplay just spit on it and get to fucking.
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Which is why Trump will withdraw from NATO and effectively neuter it in the short term allowing Putin to do whatever he wants until Europe can muster the resources to defend its Eastern-most and Scandinavian members, which Putin wants to annex.
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Is this the NATO variant of threatening to nuke?
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If NATO does choose to retaliate, it should take out the troll farms first.
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It should have triggered that years ago.
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In order to have battle hardened troops they have to survive combat...
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Most do. At least for a while.
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Russia already has their man in place ready to undermine NATO fatally from within, starting on January 20th.
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That's the point.
Russia has aimed to destabilize the US since the cold war.
I feel like I'm m taking crazy pills. The cold war never ended. We changed battlefields and everyone shut up about it.
And in the last 20 years we have gotten our balls stomped. Our enormous military is useless if they can turn it against our citizenry.
How fucking dumb are we?
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I’m now past the middle of this talk. While the points about how subversion works in general are insightful, his diatribe about unions makes no sense. He claims that unions got radicalized and became violent recently and that was helped by Soviet propaganda. That’s brutally wrong. Clashes between unions and company militias were much more violent historically and way before the October revolution, let alone the creation of the KGB. His talking points on this come straight out of Milton Friedman’s mouth. It’s straight up right wing propaganda. Given that right wing propaganda is the reason why the working class is on its knees today and has just elected Donald Trump, it begs the question whether his talk isn’t KGB subversion itself.
E: He gave the CIA coup in Chile that installed Pinochet as a good example for how to stop the process of Soviet subversion. Also straight up said that Americans should support right wing conservatives to curb this process. Restrict the rights on certain groups. Don't elect the gays into power - they're an enemy. 🤦
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Yeah, I don't agree with his position at all, just sharing an interesting talk that I think gives us insight as to some of what's been going on the past 20 years. My takeaway was that Russia gave up fighting the US with force si they just try to create as much instability in the US as possible.
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Our enormous military
They have been totally defeated by a perfect storm of Putin's shoe-string psyops, Republican control of the media and the "poorly educated".
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Destroy the propaganda capability and we fall back to confrontations that the West is capable of winning.
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A lot. We are a lot dumb
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It ended. Putin re-engaged.
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America still behaves like it's in the colonial era. It is the country that has been invading sovereign nations, sabotage and economic warfare. Nobody likes a bully.
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It went to proxy wars after the cold war. There were a whole series of conflicts and interventions where USA and/or Russia were involved, sometimes more, sometimes less. Ukraine is basically the end boss of the proxy wars.
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I'm just here for the ball stomping (harder pls)
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They forgot to say "and this time we mean it". How is Russia supposed to take NATO seriously if they don't include that?
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Eh, everybody does saber rattling from time to time. Most people are happier with harsh words than bombs I suppose.
Though that’s no comfort to Ukraine, who are already embroiled in war.
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And Russia has been sabre rattling like nobody's business since before the war started.
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But it won't, no chance.