Jeez, Microsoft read the room already

What did they expect? Unlimited storage = I'm going to use it

Same happened with Google Drive

Often saying something can be a huge hassle, so if they didn’t it’s completely understandable. Especially true if their time is worth more than the subscription.

Have you ever tried to contact Microsoft for support? If one of your replies isn't written by AI, you get a special prize, and they still won't help you.

I guess older frogs are more susceptible to temperature changes.

Exactly. I have some space on there that comes with Office365 or whatever. I use rclone to back up my personal, non-git stuff to my nas from my laptops and pc. I use rclone on my nas to push encrypted backups of all those personal files to one drive. I have the space, I might as well use it. If my house burns down and the house with cold backups burns down, well hopefully I’ll still have access to my pictures and memories and shit.

As I have since learned at work, everything is a sharepoint, even teams :(

I mean we use teams as our phone system, so this is just like taking the general phone calls.

Some of us don't get to leave work at the door all the time, and this just allows us to use teams like a phone without having to give out a personal number.

What kind of prick is taking a Teams call while driving?

So many people, mainly management and C levels in my experience. My CITO (and the one before him) do it all the time, as well as tons of customer contacts. At least once a month I'm on a conference call where someone is driving.

OneDrive doesn't take over directories without being told to. And specifically, it's "Known Folders Move" system, only does Documents, Desktop, and Pictures. If KFM is being turned on without user consent, that is IT's fault. If it is including folders outside those 3? Also IT's fault.

It corrupting git repos? Not sure on that one. It doesn't feel like OneDrive should be doing that, but it does struggle with unusual read/write patterns, so I'm guessing the way git is working doesn't resemble a standard file saving, and Microsoft being full of developers and owning github should probably be accounting for that use case.

Lol, while Git does a shit ton more than just file syncing, you're effectively complaining that mixing two methods of syncing files causes problems.

I feel like that's kind of obvious that it would be a bad idea.

Also, how in the hell are you using Git that it could even be possible to lose thousands of hours of work? Sounds like you guy weren't properly checking in/out code and using branches well. There shouldn't be that much work put in between sending it back to the repo on the server. Make a branch, check in every few hours even if it's not compiling or finished. When it's finally done you can use the end result. No need to make big "complete" commits when you can just shove all the messy in progress ones into a branch and merge the whole thing when it's done and ready.

As far as OneDrive arbitrarily taking over folders? That should never happen. I'm not aware of a configuration that would make that possible (not saying there isn't one, just that you'd have to go looking for it if you really wanted to fuck this up like that).

The normal setting is for it to sync the Documents, Pictures, and Desktop folders (including any sub files and folders recursively). So just store your repos outside of those folders and you shouldn't have any problems.

To be fair, I've also seen OneDrive cause problems with PowerShell modules installed under the user (the default install location when using Install-Module). That tosses them in a subfolder under Documents, and "download files on demand" doesn't mix well with "load this entire code library of multiple files". So either use a custom install path, or install on your machine in the AllUsers scope (putting them in the Progams folder I believe).

On an only-slightly related note, I knew someone that synced their git repos on nextcloud as well. Surprisingly, no shit hit the fan. This went on for a good long time.

This is the big reason. OneDrive used to be decent back when it simply offered my cloud storage in a folder locally, and it was more stable than Google Drive on Windows for me. But then, triggered by updates, they started hijacking the rest of my PC, syncing folders that I never wanted synced, like Documents and Pictures. When I uninstalled OneDrive, I couldn't access them at all! It had without my consent transferred all of my files into OneDrive and completely off of my computer. They were still visibly there, owned by OneDrive, but I couldn't access them. I had already wiped them from OneDrive before I realized this because at this point I was decided that I was done with OneDrive after this serious breach in trust, but luckily they were still in the OneDrive recycle bin. After a lot of swearing and googling, I found that I was far from the only person dealing with this, and after reading a few threads, I found the solution. I was able to reinstall OneDrive on the PC, restore access to my files, turn off the syncing they was turned on without my permission, and only then uninstall OneDrive. So yeah, I was happy with OneDrive for a few years as an alternative to Google Drive, but after that move? Fuck no, it's dead to me. I will not let OneDrive touch or get anywhere near my files.

This pissed me off enough to finally ditch Windows when it happened to me. It stole my freakin files without asking and put them on someone else’s server. Absolutely ridiculous, and just how a virus acts! How could I possibly trust the OS with any of my data after that?

Is that a configuration issue? I think what I did was went into the settings and tailored it. Shut off desktop, decided which folders and where. Then it's all good. I recommend it as a first option for multi unit use.

I think that has to do with the security they set up to try to ensure malware/viruses don't go upstream. If you are going to share permissions across users, across computers, and across multiple networks, you can't have Fred downloading an email to his documents which is automatically backing up to his onedrive which he shared with a sharepoint drive for everyone else to access and now it has permissions to come back down to their devices as well. I would say that's ignoring teams, but like it was pointed out elsewhere, SharePoint / OneDrive / Teams storage is essentially all the same.

I mean a single person can have email under their domain, and a terabyte of OneDrive and SharePoint storage for like less than 10 CAD a month. Not bad.

Since 99% of companies run on winass and Microsoft shit anyway, why not use what you pay for?

Well to be fair, Microsoft has been in the scumbag game a lot longer than Google. They're professional about screwing you over. Google is a bit more blatant about the whole, we control you and don't care what you think, thing.

It's kinda like saying I trust Lex Luthor far more than Harvey Dent.

I can't answer why shoulderoforion feels that way about backups. But I can answer why I feel that way about email: Google is a bigger part of people's lives, and so is a more dangerous monopoly. Therefore, I pick Microsoft for email.

Tons of businesses have their email hosted by Microsoft or Google, and tons of individuals have their email hosted by Google. If you want to self-host email, as I used to do, you need to interoperate with both of them.

To send email to a Google-hosted domain, you have to jump through a series of increasingly obscure hoops. Not all at once -- they introduce new ones once every week or month. First, it will let your email through. Then you will get rejected with a URL for a new hoop. First, getting your IP address off a "policy block list", which is basically a preemptive spam filter for static IPs that have never sent any email. Next month, you have to do SPF. Next, DKIM. Next, you have to create a Google account, and do something with your domain while signed into that account. Next, your Google account gets banned without recourse, and you have to wait 3 months for it to be deleted to make another, and all your mail is rejected during that time.

To send email to a Microsoft a hosted domain, you have to first send email to that person, get shadowbanned by the server, verify that your mail did not end up in their inbox, nor junk directory, and then call them and ask to be whitelisted. Depending on the circumstances, you may need to do this for each domain you send to, or each email address. The method of whitelisting varies, because the error message varies. If you can't contact a postmaster at the company, get fucked.

This is absolute monopolization. The only way to play the game is with their rented game pieces. So you have to pick one, and you pick whichever one is less dangerous.