The Netflix Cha-Cha

Jupiter's Legacy in case anyone is curious what the show is.

Make a show with Legacy in the title

It has absolutely no impact

It’s like poetry it rhymes.
- The real legacy is the legacy's we made about this legacy
- How's that VCR repair coming?
- The Virgin: "The Netflix algorithm didn't show it to me so it must have been shit."
  
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  The Chad: "The Netflix algorithm didn't show it to me so the algorithm must be shit."
I literally watched it and still didn't remember it until you said that name. Still couldn't tell you a damn thing about it.
- Of course you can, it's about superheroes, you can see it in the costumes.
  
  Nothing besides that though. I also watched it and am drawing a blank. I think there was a scene with a boat for some reason?
  
  So yeah, canceling it made perfect sense.
- I distinctly recall trying to watch the first few minutes and wondering to myself how they got the Power Rangers sets & props to look so clean. It was a fetid pile of wet shit otherwise, but the palpable cringe each actor seemed to be trying not to emote along with their lines was entertaining in a way. 🤷🏼‍♂️🤣
I’ve never heard of it, and my wife & I are on Netflix multiple times a week.

As a side note, other streaming services that took their stuff off of Netflix to make their own service because “hurr durr we want that money!”, have discovered that it’s hard to run and not always profitable. There are a LOT of things that have been gone off of Netflix for awhile that have suddenly started to show back up because content owners have discovered that it’s much easier to let Netflix deal with the infrastructure and just get paid. I remember when Netflix had almost everything you could want to watch in one place, and it was glorious! If you’ve cancelled over the lack of content, maybe give it another look. If you cancelled over the cost, maybe it’s more worth it now?

I’m not a Netflix shill, I just remember the days when it was awesome because of the massive selection, and I’m hopefully seeing it slowly coming back around.
- No thanks, they ruined the witcher and they're dead to me.
- The massive selection existed because cable users paid for it. The big companies made content based on cable customers. Then licensed to netflix for extra profit just like they licensed to other countries' broadcasters for extra profit.
  
  Then netflix killed the cable income, so it wasn't profitable to make these shows, netflix wouldn't pay the cost of licensing these shows for the actual cost so the licenses dropped and everyone had to make their own service's.
  
  Rather, it's netflix that is finding out that it's difficult to make good shows, they lived on licencing other people's shows, paid for by cable, then when they killed that money source they are struggling to produce good enough content to make their service worth it.
And it actually REALLY had serious potential that gets to drown like most Netflix shows.
Idk how the person never has never heard of it before. It's not like Netflix are subtle about promoting their original series.
- I've never heard of it either so seems plausible to me
- Never heard of it and I'm chronically online.
- I have never heard of it, and didn't know where this picture was from.
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- It's also highly dependent on viewing history. There's a ton of Netflix originals I've never seen because I don't watch that kind of show. I don't think I've ever had Bridgerton thrown in my face, but it's just not my kind of show. This and that one with Mike Meyers I've seen a ton of the time, though.
- Never heard of it until now, I'm online all the time. Cancelled Netflix 6 months ago since the quantity and quality balance of their content wasn't worth it anymore with all the price increases.
- Never heard of it. Netflix also likes to put you in little niche bubbles as soon as you show interest in one genre.
- It felt like it had, at most, a month of advertisement, came out, people realized that was Thad Hamilton and not Raylan Givens, and then it was ignored even by the people who insist that Millar is not a hack.
  
  Also doesn't help that all the action was horrible. And it was almost instantly compared to The Old Guard where Charlize Theron continued to demonstrate why "dancer with some gymnastics background" is nigh perfection for "visible face" action sequences with stunt actors and masked putties.
- I saw promos for this show for weeks after it had been cancelled and I’d watched the whole thing.

I don't watch shows on Netflix any more until they come to a conclusion. They cancel shit so often that I can't know that whatever I choose to watch on there will wrap up and come to a satisfying end or not.

I wonder if this is a cyclic issue.

People start waiting to watch shows due to cancellations, Netflix sees viewership is down and cancels show early, more people start waiting for new shows.
- I imagine it is. We are kind of making things worse. But at the same time the issue started because they kept canceling shows. People would watch what they wanted, and some just didn't have a big enough audience, or Netflix just didn't care, so they would get canceled. And that's why now some of us don't watch what we want, because what we want is likely to get canceled, even if we do watch it. Us not watching it just increases those chances. But I'm not willing to spend time on a 1 season show that gets left without a finish.
  
  I think another problem is that they have a little of everything. If you want a particular type of show, they probably have made it. Maybe even more than once. But that also means the viewership gets spread a little thinner, which means many of them aren't getting as many views as the big name shows.
cries in Mindhunter

HBO Discovery Max whatever did this with Raised by Wolves too, so I think all the players are rethinking their content
- Raised by Wolves was killed by David Zaslav when HBO was brought by Discovery. The is the reason Discovery switched from educational programmes to reality TV. He ruins everything he touches.
- IMO Raised by Wolves had a strong start, but was already fading by the end of the first season.
I only really watch Mike Flanagan's stuff on there. Pretty much just makes single complete seasons, done.
This is why I mostly only watch their limited series, since its always one season and done. Not always good (eg Bodies is nowhere as good as Dark), but at least it ends.
I mean that's not any different than ever. Tv shows get cancelled all the time regardless of their platform.
- Netflix doesn't promote shows, they drop them all in one day killing any ability to talk with people you know about them, and they kill their most popular titles to save money. They're much worse than old school TV that needed to, at least, pretend to care about the shit they made.
I can't think of anything worse than a satisfying ending.

I watched the whole thing. I’ve certainly seen worse from bigger studios.

If Jupiter's Legacy had gotten a second season, I would’ve watched it.

Yeah. I liked the comic it was based on. Live action stuff based on Mark Millar's work is largely hit or miss. I liked the direction they went with Super Crooks (animated and also on Netflix).
- Super Crooks was an 11/10.
- 100% worth watching, if only for the grooviest anime intro of all time
Yeah, I thought it was decent. Not great but worth watching.

Damn they gave their dicks the original tomb raider treatment

Yeah I thought that was fucking bizarre. No packer or anything. Just a fucking... box? Or are they insinuating that being a superhero means your dick is shaped like a pyramid?
- Is yours not? Maybe I should see a doctor.
- Given the similar edges on the boob muscles I assume it's just costume style. Take it up with Edna Mode.
one would expect the buldges to have higher resolution at that budget

I came to the conclusion that Netflix doesn’t understand marketing. The hit shows they had seem to be lucky finds and they think they can reproduce that by dumping money into a show and telling no one about it. Like fanboys will just watch whatever Daddy Netflix gives them.

Cowboy Bebop is a perfect example. They market it to die hard anime fans and no one else. Those fans hate it and it gets cancelled. The show wasn’t that bad and people like my dad would have loved it, had he ever heard about it.

I really like cowboy bebop the live action and anime and was crushed when they canceled it. But no one out side of anime circles hear about. Everyone I have told to watch it has loved it. They need to be more selective again and market those select shows and slowly build a catalog of good shows. Instead they where worried they where going to lose people when other companies started their own streaming services and just green lit everything and then canceled 99% of them before people could even find them.
- i friggen loved it. So fucked that the loud anime crowd lost their shit that a live action show apparently didn't perfectly replicate in every single detail their beloved child.
  
  Perfect became the murderer of really great.
  
  Seriously im still so angry it got canned.
Hard agree on the live action Cowboy Bebop. It was pretty good, all in all.

Honestly they nailed Jet so hard, it was fantastic. Just his whole vibe captured perfectly.

The original stuff was pretty good. It faltered hardest when it tried to recreate shots one for one from the anime.

Well, it faltered the hardest with Ed in the final scene. Not a good lasting impression.
- Yup. I don’t think it was a perfect retelling but the episodes with Spike, Jet, and Faye just being bounty hunters were so damn enjoyable. I’m really bummed we didn’t get more of that.
My dad actually really liked the cowboy bebop live action show, I think he said he even watched some of the anime after, which is pretty crazy as I don't think he's ever watched anime intentionally on his own before.
- which is pretty crazy as I don't think he's ever watched anime intentionally on his own before.
  
  I mean, Cowboy Bebop is sometimes referred to as “the anime for people who say they don’t like anime” for a reason. It’s many people’s first foray into the world of anime, and it’s what helps them ditch the “eh it’s all just cartoons for kids” mentality.
Man, I'm an anime fan and this is the first I heard of the CBB adaptation

The show looked pretty stupid based on the thumbnail and trailer, and I avoided it for a long time. But I actually ended up really enjoying it. I thought it was a very good show.

Same! It had a great message that boomers/silent gen need to get out of the way because their passive approach to villians just hadn’t worked.
- I only watched it because I ran out of episodes of The Boys to watch and wanted more. So I watched both seasons of Invincible and still wanted more. I begrudgingly started Jupiter's Legacy and ended up really enjoying it, and recommending it to fans of the other two shows.
In your opinion do you think it ended in a satisfying way knowing it was canceled?
- I suppose. It definitely should have a follow-up season, but I guess we'll never get that. At least it ends with a big reveal, and not them still leading up to it.
- I don't watch shows that have been canceled. It always ends up frustrating me as I either enjoy the setting/characters etc or there's a cliffhanger or set up for another season that'll never be followed up on. The shit thing is, there are shows that have been canceled that I have been interested in but I don't want to spend a whole day or several days to finish a season to then wonder if that was it.

This is what they spent the subscription increase on lol

That show sucked ass. I got through the first episode. I’m sure it worked better as a comic book. The villain was like, killing the superheroes left and right and then one of the heroes finally killed the villain (who had escaped prison or something) and then the papa hero got all pissy because “We don’t kill!” Just really stupid stuff

Googled just to see, it's a Mark Millar comic didn't need to read any further, it was an edgy take at superheroes, how rare from him
- I thought about Frank Miller's Hardboiled reading your comment. Would love to see a live action from that comic.
Absolutist characters are so 2000s
Lmao you just reminded me that I DID watch the first episode of this forgettable mess.
Yeah I watched the first episode and thought this is stupid, badly acted, and treading old ideas. Super hero's aren't my favorite genre but there is a fair amount of content in the genre I like. This one was just bad. Also when i saw the costumes they were so bad I expected a pullback shot showing this was a movie set within the show.
What are these, Amish superheroes or something?
- Amish superheroes! With the ability to molest their younger sisters with the strength of an ox and the speed of a cheetah.

It was actually not a terrible show either, wife and I enjoyed it

What's the show called? Feels like people are allergic to naming it.
- Jupiter's Legacy. I had to look it up, I watched the entire season and couldn't remember the title either.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. Still disappointed. What a cast!
If you want to see a truly terrible superhero comic adaptation, watch Powers. Which is a shame, because the Powers comic is much better than Jupiter's Legacy.
- That’s the Jamie Fox one right? I watched it and didn’t get anything out of it other than in that world people take drugs to get powers which wasn’t the most innovative thing ever

Sounds like tax fraud or something

I find it funny how both Netflix and Amazon are just so good at burning money on mediocre shite nowadays. Amazon's studio output has always been throwing obscene money at any pitch or stupid idea, but once upon a time when Netflix promoted their own shows, you just knew they were going to be worth watching.

It'd be fine, if both companies hadn't ruined their products and laid off hundreds, if not thousands of people.

Netflix still CAN make good shows, usually they're from Spain or south Corea though
- This is probably the most American comment I’ve ever seen on Lemmy (so far)
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I watched it. It was a good looking show. And the origin story (which took over half the season I think) was well done. But where it really fell down is that none of the characters are likeable. At the end of the season I was kind of relieved it was over because I didn't care whether any of them lived or died.

Well now I'm curious about a watchable disaster. What was the name of this?
- I watched the whole thing. And I could not tell you the name of it for the life of me.
- Jupiter's Legacy
Unlikeable characters is now CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL. Maybe the Wire/Sopranos/Breaking Bad did it well? Or maybe it was just fresh? But unlikeable characters is not going to hold up another dumb super hero show.

I didn't think it was that good anyway, but it boggles belief that they spent that much on one season of anything. 200 million is a ludicrous amount of money, and they just flushed it and went "oops lol, anyway, here's wonderwall".

I hope they didn't use that image in any of the marketing. It just looks like geriatric super heroes. Why would I want to watch that?

That sounds far more interesting that the run-of-the-mill crap churned out by the MCU.
If it's a comedy, I see the potential for hilarity. Geriatric superheroes mentoring the next generation of heroes could be a good comedy drama.
Understandable. The comic it's based on is pretty obscure, and frankly not that good itself.

And yet people still pay for the shit. Because… social peer pressure? Addiction?

All I read is how people can’t afford shit, streaming is expensive, the content sucks, I can’t steal passwords anymore; yet people keep paying for this shit and their subscribership keeps increasing.

People need to vote with their wallets.

People still pay for it because canceling an account apparently isn't cancelling an account...

I dropped Netflix years ago, cancelled the account like I can't even log in, it says account doesn't exist, and yet up until I noticed it a few months ago they were still taking money from my PayPal...

Tax loss write-off?

Production of any show is a "write off". You can write off any business related costs. Cancelling a show doesn't change that.

Cancelling does stop the current spending on that show, and promote other shows above it. That's the only savings they get. Spending $200 million and cancelling a show after a month is a boneheaded chain of decisions.
- Maybe that's why they are on this kick of annual price increases, under the guise of "rising costs" due to "inflation".
- Marketing for Hollywood shows and movies is normally a huge fraction of the budget. If they spend $200m to make the show and realize it's shit, if they cancel the marketing budget the loss might be smaller than if they spend $150m to market the shit out of it and it flops like they expected.
  
  What sucks is when they remove it from their own streaming services. I can't see how that helps anyone. It costs next to nothing to add it to the catalogue and make it available to anybody who happens to find it. That way all the hard work of the actors, directors, gaffers, best boys, and everyone else involved isn't just thrown away.
- I'm pretty sure it's for tax deductions as it's a loss if they cancel it. The cost to host the show would be completely negotiable as people would just watch something else.

I stongly feel there should be a rule for streaming platforms to make a satisfying season finale every time, because of the extremely high risk of cancellation every time they make something.

Should be a contractual obligation that if a show is optioned for additional seasons and Netflix cancels it, there are at the very least on the hook for a movie to tie up any outstanding plot points.

Not only to give the fans of the show closure, but potential new audience the confidence that the content available on their platform will likely have a satisfying narrative arc.
- Yeah, I've lost count how many times I click on a show to potentially watch and see that its from like 3 or 4 years ago and has only 1 season. I immediately move on and don't even bother at that point.

I made it through 1.5 episodes.

Damn. I made it through the season. It wasn't awful but this is just another in a line of good shit Netflix murders early.

Altered Carbon, Dark Matter, Another Life, Travellers, I'd keep a list if the scars weren't etched into my fucking heart the rat bastards.
- Another Life was hot garbage, Altered Carbon Season 2 was a huge let down. Sorry for you specifically, but I can't really fault Netflix for cancelling that rubble.
- Same taste. We carry the same elephant graveyard on our backs comrade lol

They probably want to sell it and when they saw that it might not be doing well they pulled it before enough data was gathered to show it was a flop.

I swear, it's like someone gave The Cannon Group a streaming service.

In fact, they might be better off doing more one-shot films featuring ninjas than expensive series like this.

The anime was better tbh

It looks like a porn parody of The Boys.