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"We call her Carrie, because of the carriage return."
You can also try to give the child NULL as middle name for additional fun.
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someone tried that with their license plate, it turned out well: https://www.wired.com/story/null-license-plate-landed-one-hacker-ticket-hell/
edit: archive link
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Yeah, this is his daughter
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they should have just used rust smh
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Oh no, it gets worse:
Prank or not, Tartaro was playing with fire by going with NULL in the first place. “He had it coming,” says Christopher Null, a journalist who has written previously for WIRED about the challenges his last name presents. “All you ever get is errors and crashes and headaches.”
Archive link: https://archive.ph/o/Foe1r/https://www.wired.com/2015/11/null/
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Hey "java.lang.NullPointerException" can I borrow your pen?
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I have an apostrophe and it's super annoying as some companies see it as a SQL injection hack and sanitize it.
So I've received ID with Mc%20dole or they add a space in it. Or I'll get a work email with an apostrophe but I cant use it anywhere because sites have it disabled. And I've missed my flight because I changed my ticket once to add the apostrophe and the system just broke at the gate.
Worse yet many flight companies have "you will not be able to board if your ID doesn't exactly reflect your details" but their form doesn't allow it. Even most forms for card payments don't allow it even though it's the name on my card.
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%20 is encoded space if I remember right, so even then they were already incorrect
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It sounds like maybe they sanitized the apostrophe to a space and then encoded it
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Yep, the apostrophe would be %27
So Mc%27dole
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Always worth posting this classic.
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There's also the version with examples if you want to know exactly what and why it breaks.
And the git that collects all of these in one place, if you want to really nerd out.
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Also relevant: https://www.wired.com/2015/11/null/
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Been there, seen that, had to deal with it. Now add the problem that there are people who don't know their birth date or not even the f-ing year they were born in. And I'm not talking about someone from a lost tribe at the Amazonas.
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I have an apostrophe and it’s super annoying as some companies see it as a SQL injection hack and sanitize it.
My surname contains a character that's only present in the Polish alphabet. Writing my full name as is broke lots of systems, encoding, printed paperwork and even British naturalisation application on Home Office website. My surname was part of my username back at uni, and everytime I tried to login on Windows, it would crash underlying LDAP server, logging everyone in the classroom out and forcing ICT to restart the server.
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you will not be able to board if your ID doesn't exactly reflect your details"
Do they care about an apostrophe though? I can see any punctuation being a problem for systems.
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I have an apostrophe
Scottish/Irish?
some companies see it as a SQL injection hack and sanitize it.
Which kind of apostrophe?
A straight apostrophe, fine - that can and does get used in valid SQL injection attacks. I would be disgusted at any input form that didn’t sanitize that.
But a curly apostrophe? Nothing should be filtering a curly apostrophe, as it has no function or use within SQL. So if you learn how to bring that up in alt codes (Windows, specifically), Key combos (Mac) or dead keys (Linux), as well as direct Unicode codes for most any Win/Mac/*Nix platform, you should be golden.
Unless the developer of that input form was a complete moron and made extra-tight validation.
Plus, knowing the inputs for a lot of extended UTF-8 characters not found on a normal keyboard is also a wee bit of a typing superpower.
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Same shit with American custom forms. On the one hand, they threaten you with Armageddon if you fill out the form incorrectly, on the other hand, they only allow plain letters, numbers, and a handful of special characters. Nobody there has the capacity of the mind that maybe a name cannot be correctly represented with that tiny subset of characters. So it is simply impossible to fill out that form without breaking the law. And it is a customs form, so they should know that people filling it out are most likely foreigners.
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Spent lots of effort to get names for my kids that avoid this. Swedish/French. It's harder than it sounds.
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asking questions like this is how i found out that one of the allowed characters in names in my country is ÿ, which is fine in Latin-1 but in 7-bit ASCII is
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that's amazing! Aren't codecs fun
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That's easy, just call it Jhon\nDoe
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John\0Doe will fuck with all C (and C based derivatives) software that touches it.
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Nah, it will end up simply as "John" in the database. You need "John%sDoe" to crash C software with unsafe printf() calls, and even then it's better to use several "%s"
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With an address in 's-Hertogenbosch to help people who are lazy about escaping.
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There are a frightening number of systems that don't allow "-", which isn't even an edge case. A lot of people - mostly women - hyphenate their last names on marriage, rather than throw their old name away. My wife did. She legally changed her name when she came of age, and when we met and married years later she said, "I paid for money for my name; I'm not letting it go." (Note: I wasn't pressuring her to take my name.) So she hyphenated it, and has come to regret the decision. She says she should have switched, or not, but the hyphen causes problems everywhere. It's not a legal character in a lot of systems, including some government systems.
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It boggles my mind how so many websites and platforms incorrectly say my e-mail address is 'invalid' because it has an apostrophe in it.
No. It is NOT invalid. I have been receiving e-mails for years. You just have a shitty developer.
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And you'd think a simple solution is just leave out the hyphen when you put you name in, but that can also lead to problems when the system is looking for a 100% perfect match.
And good luck if they need to scan the barcode on your ID.
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Then the first part is interpreted (in the US, anyway) as a middle name, not as part of the last name. I did run into a recently married woman who did that: dropped her middle name, moved her last to the middle, and used her spouse's last name.
More commonly, places that don't take hyphens tend to just run the two names together: Axel-Smith becomes AxelSmith.
Programmers can be really dumb.
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I have come across a shockingly large amount of people who not only have a hyphenated last name but also have a hypenated first name! Dealing with every new computer system is like a new adventure
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You'd think by now Jean-Luc Picard would be a well known example and systems are able to deal with it.
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There are also fringe externalities from this too. I have my mom's last name for my middle name and my dad's for my last name. But back in the 90s, my state would erroneously handle that scenario as having no middle name and both names hyphenated for a last name. I didn't find this out until I turned 18 and tried to get a retail job and they wouldn't hire me until it got fixed.
First I had to go to the Dept of Health and get a new birth certificate, then I had to do the same at the social security administration for a new social security card. Hours and hours over multiple days just so I could earn minimum wage folding and selling used clothing. Ironically, the name mixup never was a problem when I did taxes previously.
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Once I was tasked with doing QA testing for an app which was planned to initially go live in the states of Georgia and Tenessee. One of the required fields was the user's legal name. I therefore looked up the laws on baby names in those two states.
Georgia has simple rules where a child's forename must be a sequence of the 26 regular Latin letters.
Tenessee seemed to only require that a child's name was writable under some writing system, which would imply any unicode code point is permissible.
At the time, I logged a bug that a hypothetical user born in Tenessee with a name consisting of a single emoji couldn't enter their legal name. I reckon it would also be legal to call a Tenessee baby 'John '.
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Sounds like you did a thorough job as a QA tester. As a software engineer, I love to see it.
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im sure the devs tasked at fixing that bug loved u ;-)
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Not legal in Canada. Your legal name must use Latin characters only. This is a sore point for indigenous people.
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Hello my name is JohnDoe. My name only contains Latin characters, no spaces allowed.
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Did the Romans not use line breaks?
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Which is both entirely understandable, and also tragic because Canada's indigenous written characters are so cool. :D
But also, it's gotta be neat having a name among your people, that "the state" has nothing to do with...
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What's the answer? I need the link
Edit: I found it
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Just noticed that the listing for ; DROP TABLE "COMPANIES"; -- LTD has been redacted by the government website‽
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Is it missing an apostrophe and a dash? Or they registered the wrong name?
Anyway, the use of quotes seem to have backfired. I blame Excel.
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Apparently they didn't include the single quote at the beginning because they wanted to hint at the exploit without actually triggering it.
(and Lemmy seems to combine two dashes into one)
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Sibling of Bobby Drop Tables
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Y'all need to learn how to sanitize your inputs!
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Not legal in Sweden. Our "IRS" must also accept the name and deem it legal.
I for one like this. As it stops some very stupid people to name their children some very stupid names. Such as "Adolf Hitler".
And yes. Someone did try to name their child this and they were appropriately stoped from doing it.
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Should have went with Adolf Olivernipples
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ugh literally 1984
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If elected president my first order of business will be to make all birth certificates fully unicode compatible.
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How is your son
X Æ A-12?-
Screw everything about Elon musk
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"It sounds like a password"
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(ノ-_-)ノ~┻━┻ Miller
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Y̴̥͉͕͌̀ǫ̴̗̅̕u̵̱̾̋͐̚ ̷̡͕͈͛̇h̴̳̱̘̆ä̶̼́̕ṽ̷̬͕è̷͓̰̔̌ ̸̪͋m̷͍͎͙̂́̔ͅy̷̰̘̎́̉ͅ ̷̳͒v̷̭̕o̷̢͚̟͇͒̃͐̕t̴̪̙͗̐͆́ë̶̦͗ ̵̗͌̅p̶̰̫͛̑r̷̨͛̏̈́͝e̷͇͍̋̚͜s̸̳͙̒͘î̶̞̍̍̋͜ͅd̴̰̭͚̞͗ě̶̯̖n̶̩̿̕t̶͎͉̂ ̵̦͂̍̀Z̵̧̲̦̹̾͋a̴̒̑ͅl̷͇̘̝̬͒̊͝ǵ̴̹̣͖'̷͂͜o̴̢͔̱̔ò̷̧͛!̷̦̎͑͆͘ ̵̺̼̜̃̑
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Howdy friend, I'm ▒⟪♶⳽Ⰶ⮫☲Ⰱ∓✑ⲍ␝ⅼⓑ⊯⛝≋ⱚⵯ⿳➡⸷⋘⎋⛏⍫⣺⨼⛜⧄ⅈ⎥⦶⋣⩥⮯⨏⼧⁹⟤.
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Oh, poor thing. It must be terrible to be one of insufferable Elon Musk's progeny
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I govenment site I visited recenly made a point of how it accepts emojis in passwords!
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I'd rather include a bell character '\a'
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And that's why you're not safe for work.
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Bing Crosby
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C programmers would ask whether a null-terminated name would be acceptable
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Ask Robert'); DROP TABLE Students; 's mum how it went.
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Ah, little Bobby Tables we call him
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Little Bobby Tables
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Frontend devs hates this guy.
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Still better than Jennifer Null I guess
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I want the char 8 that makes a beep.
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"John $(tput bel) Doe"
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NaN,
Not a Number, and now Not a Name-
NaN: „Hey Nanna, can you call the nanny?“
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It's impossible to represent that on paper. It could be misrepresented as a specific number of spaces. Depending on the position on the paper, it may also be hard to tell if the carriage return comes with the line feed. Unless you want the document to be in ASCII or EBCDIC hex, it's like writing an ambiguous math problem where the answer is different depending on how you were taught about the order of operations. Don't do this to your kid, Abcde.
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Na, names are about pronunciation (how you call someone). Written letters are an approximation of that. You can't pronounce a newline, so there's that.
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John
(long pause)
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Just crouch down to simulate moving to a lower line.
John <crouch> Doe
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But something has to be written on the birth certificate and social security card, and that's what everything else will expect you to use. I think just due to technical limitations (e.g. of the printer/template for those things) it wouldn't be allowed, but I dunno about legally
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Try telling that to
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why settle for \n when you can go for the stylish carriage return
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¿Porqué no los dos? A nice \r\n, Windows style.
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Gotta band it Windows tho, it just feels right, I want to enjoy my fake typewriter
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John\r Doe? depending on the software, when it gets printed, the carriage return will move the cursor to the start of the line without moving a line down, becoming\x20Doe.-
This is the ideal rendition, I would say. On a related note, I just love it when there are backspaces in my filenames
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It's time to log off and get a vasectomy
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This sounds like the start of another sovcit "loophole"
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A line break is a non-printable character. So it would only work in the scope of electronic storage. The minute it hits other media, the line break character is subject to how that media handles it’s presence, and then it is lost permanently from that step forward.
Plus, many input forms make use of validation that will just trim anything that isn’t a character or number, removing the line break character.
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A line break doesnt have to be electronic only. You just... start a new line on the paper.
If it were somehow legally allowed, the sanitization would be incorrect.
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As someone with a very mildly unusual name, I can tell you that it doesn't matter whether a system could or could not meaningfully represent the name. Often the people or systems just refuse to acknowledge any deviation from what's expected. Sometimes databases are written to enforce arbitrary grammatical rules that make my name impossible to write, or the people using the systems will just "correct" the "error" without telling me. I don't mind that much but our normative systems just love to homogenise us.
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Always sanitize your Data inputs.
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Anyone remember when Chrome had that issue with validating nested URL-encoded characters? Anyone for John%%80%80 Doe?
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Am I allowed to include sql command words such as drop table in my child's name?
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Simmer down, Bobby
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I'm not american and I'm glad I'm not but intended if someone could enter a bunch of zero width spaces
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Unix or dos format?
Anyway, you probably need to put a backslash before it to indicate line continuation.
But wouldn't it be better to use something more traditional, such as <br>?
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HTML is more traditional than
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True, poor choice of phrase.
But I was thnking of something like
#define my_macro does not fit\ on one line
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Apparently no-one did it yet, so I'll name my child +++ATH0
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"ethics aside" truly a starter for a qa
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Good luck with that.
Most computer nayetems will trim the crap out of that name, the white spaces like space, tab, \r and \n will be gone by the time it's in the database
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I really can't even begin to properly explain this because it's just so many layers of intuition. No, you absolutely cannot have a line break in your name. That's not a letter. That said, I'm fully prepared for someone to give me an example of some writing system that uses line breaks for unique purposes apart from spaces.
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John
Doe, related to Derrick Nippl-e perhaps? (Fry and Laurie)
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John doe is invaild syntax.
It just be
(John \doe);
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Be funny as fuck if Canada started extradition procedures when he landed
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