A new trend in tipping emerges

A major problem with voting in this country is that it's not a national holiday, If your working minimum wage you likely can't afford to take the time away from work which means politicians that campaign on a higher wage lose preventing a wage rise creating a loop. The people that are best suited to vote are those that are well off and retired and statistically they lean republican because of people not wanting to help others disadvantaged while seemingly forgetting that they used those programs to get there. People working at minimum wage or even generally low wages and paycheck to paycheck just can't afford the time to vote and their best chances are mail in voting which republicans know, that's why they're pushing so hard against them to make it as inconvenient as possible, because if its easier to vote in person and the people you don't want voting cant vote in person then you just eliminated them from the voting pool by circumstance.

There is also a lack of push for midterms and local elections, the presidential race is very big and public and made a whole spectacle, like you can still remember the 2016 and 2020 elections but be honest with me, what can you remember about the campaigns of the 2018 midterms. The 2022 midterms were basically an exception to the rule because the abortion ruling happened so close and it created such visible lines in the sand but I truly think if the abortion ruling happened in February 2021 not long after Biden got into office the turnout for 2022 midterms wouldn't have had as big of a turnout because it wouldn't have been in the public mind quite as much, the debate on abortions is still big but its mostly shifted to individual states rather than country wide at this point.

Could have sworn I was "E Pluribus Unum".

After a quick search I see they changed/never officially adopted it.

Lame, so much cooler!

Funny how there's been 27 amendments tho

I got kinda lost w/the religion and money bullet. It’s a bit abstract. Is that about churches escaping taxation?

I love using cash. I feel like I am thwarting The System since it keeps pressuring me to use credit cards or some other form of electronic currency. I mean I use some of those too when necessary, but I use cash whenever possible.

A lot of low-income households in the USA don't have bank accounts and only use cash.

And more are welcome. The war on cash must stop. Shopping should be a private matter.

Tipping had devolved from customers saying "I'll give something extra for extra service" to restaurants saying "since you pay for the food, why don't you pay for the staff too?"

Only real way to get rid of this culture is to ban it to start. Workers need to demand living wages at the same time as ban comes into effect.

• Tipping is bad, since it has been taken to the logical extreme of making the customer directly responsible for paying staff, instead of the money going into the business' coffers, to be redistributed as wage from there.
• Actually not gonna complain about this one, but that does not take away from the fact that you need to inspect bills of the US dollar for what magnitude of currency it is. Be it a dollar, a fiver, or a hundred, they all have the same size and colour. Unlike more sane currencies, where each denomination of bill has a different size and colour, making it readily apparent if you're holding five, twenty or a hundred of it.
• Not gonna say anything about this.
• SUV's are trash. And so are modern Pickup trucks. Source of my points, if you care
• • They hog fuel & pollute excessively.
• • you can't see shit out of them, especially right near the bumper.
• • As a result of a stiffer frame and higher ground clearance, they're more fatal in a crash with people, or even regular cars, both for the other party and for their own occupants. And because they're big, heavy & unwieldy, they're more likely to end up in a crash in the first place.
• • they hog space on the road, making traffic and parking worse
• • they weigh a fuckton, making road maintenance more expensive
• • there are vehicles out there that can do what an SUV or a Pickup truck can do, but much more efficiently & cost-effectively
• • The people most likely to vehemently insist these abominations are supposed to keep existing have been found, by market research, to be obsessed with status, be less likely to volunteer, have no strong connection to their community, be less giving, be less oriented towards others, be more afraid of crime, be more likely to text & drive and be more likely to take risks while driving. In other words, SUV fanboys are assholes.
• • • When, a decade or so ago, one researcher put plastic animals along the side of the road, to see which ones people were more likely to hit, some people purposely went out of their way to run over them. Those people were in 89% of cases SUV drivers. The timing is relevant, since at the time, most American car makers still sold regular cars.
• • Most SUV's and Pickup trucks end up being used for exactly nothing you would need them for.

SUVs are not fine, they're getting bigger and bigger along with the trucks at the same damn time.

Gun owners aren't cowards, being afraid of guns makes you a coward. Learn to handle guns so you don't have to piss yourself in fear.

SUVs are for bad drivers that need to be in giant vehicles to feel safe due to their own inabilities. Some large trucks are acceptable for work purposes but SUV manufacturers use legislation for work trucks made years ago to get away with ignoring safety standards.

Electric cars aren't better for the environment in our current ecosystem. You might not be burning fuel in your car but you're burning coal at the power plant. Beyond that all you've done is make yourself more dependent on the power grid. If you are one of the very few people with self sufficient electric in your home you can skip this one.

Free healthcare doesn't equal good healthcare. People in places with free healthcare have to wait ages for treatment and may be turned away from treatment if the government is over their saving your life budget. The insurance industry could use some work though, hospital bills increase because they can get that money from an insurance provider, this fucks anyone without insurance because most people don't realize they can negotiate those prices down.

10x asshole move, I’d say.

It stopped being a cultural thing decades ago. Now it’s about about companies not paying employees a living wage and America’s right wing constantly blocking legislation that would force employers to pay people enough to have shelter and food.

During the UK lockdowns, I tipped all the front line workers where I could. That's it.

I'm not tipping someone as compensation for doing their job, that's what their employer is for.

It used to be quite the opposite. Tipping was big in Europe but not in the US.

That changed with Prohibition. When alcohol was banned, there was suddenly a large whole in the bottom line of restaurants across the US. They turned to having a tipped staff to stay open.

Sadly, when it was repealed, tipping stayed. It was since inflated from 10% to 15% to now over 20%.

Some have tried to get rid of it, but sadly it hasn’t worked.

Not always that easy is it, if you want to go out you have to find a place that advertises their no tipping policy. It's go and don't tip or stay at home or else take part in a shit system.

But it doesn’t have to be if the employers pay how they should

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It really doesn't have to be a "fact of life", and it isn't in many places, such as Australia and England -- nations with very similar degrees of economic prosperity, and very similar cultures, to the USA.

I don't see them saying they don't tip, but arguing against the system in place. Which are two separate things.

Or, employers could pay their workers better.

Novel thought, right?

This is a fairly good bellwether to see who's progressive and who's a champagne socialist.

Fuck tipping, I'm not doing it.

I'm always torn on this. I want to tip to help someone earn a living, but if enough of us stopped tipping employees would leave unless they were paid more. It does feel like adding suffering to the wrong people, but if out created change it would be nice eventually

It hides the true cost of the meal and allows both the employee and the employer to avoid taxes on this part of the "salary"

I'm paying for the meal, not their hourly wage

Its more complicated than that.

For your average waitress or diner worker, tips are their living wage. But for people at nicer restaurants or who "hustle", tips can be REALLY good income. This is why there is always so much push back any time some politician says "this is real messed up". I think it was a somewhat recent story where the restaurant the South Park guys bought got rid of tipping and the wait staff were angry?

But, of course, the wait staff who don't know how to work a table and the bus boys and the rest of the staff all get screwed over. Because yes, some places pool tips but skimming is 100% a thing and management is never going to stop it so long as they get their cut too.

The reality is that food needs to be more expensive at restaurants so that the profit margins cover living wages. The top salespeople will get screwed, but... they are already screwing over their co-workers so fuck 'em.

But now you have the people who benefit from being tipped getting angry AND the people who "could otherwise not afford to eat out" suddenly angry that the base price includes a living wage rather than the 2 dollar tip they leave on a 30 dollar order being the decider.

All that said: Outside of higher end catered meals in Europe, service at even a halfway decent restaurant in the US is miles ahead. Mostly because the staff knows that is how they get their bonuses. Still doesn't justify screwing over bussers and low totem pole cooks but...

it promotes worker tax evasion

this is the only argument I'll hear in favor of tipping. People should cheat on their taxes until they pay as little as the wealthy.

US Secret Service is in charge of counterfeiting investigations, not the FBI.

It doesn't look close enough to a real bill. The person on the counter would probably just say they will get someone involved and then throw it away and do nothing.

I thought at first that's what this was - one of those stupid Jesus tracts that look like a $20, because apparently, SaViNg YoUr SoUl Is ThE bEsT tIp Of AlL!1!

Those don't look enough like real money to be illegal. These do.

Yeah but they are leaving it in place of actual money. IF you found a LEO who wanted to fuck the tippers day up it could probably be used as grounds for an arrest because its being used in place of money. Wether a charge would stick or not would entirely depend on the judge.

Kind of like how walking around with tiny baggies full of baby powder is legal, selling them and claiming its coke isnt. If you try to pass something that looks like money off as money...

14 people

Servers making bank.

I have sympathy for underpaid workers. But I don't think I'll change my tipping attitude just because you said such and such. Actually your commands sound a bit condescending.

If you can't afford to live without tips, don't volunteer to become a potential victim of a terrible system.

I really should stop going to places that need me to tip. I need to save up my money after my mistakes ruined my life yet again. Im so tired of never being able to make mistakes without nearly losing everything

I see what you mean, but I'm not the one fucking over the employees.

On the short term you are right, but as long as customers keeps tipping, the system works well enough for nothing to change.

The more people stops tipping, the closer we get to change.

And I'm sorry that the change will hurt the employees, but it's not my battle. And tipping does not support the employees battle, just this days income.

Tell me another way I can support their battle, and I'll listen.

(I tip when the employees seems to rely on it, or if I feel extraordinarily well serviced.)

Right, lemme just go on a hunger strike to should stop the most predatory Capitalists in existence /s

I’ll take Things That Never Happened for 100, Alex

Then it's not a tip, it's wages the customer is expected to pay.

Yes, let's not pretend that these are well-researched positions that make sense. They're identity statements.

Good thing they don't bother reading their sacred text.

The funny part is that they supposedly believe in the Antichrist but don't realize Trump is closer to that description than the Second Coming.

I've even had one tell me that he and Pence were the two prophets of the End Times in Revelations.

In a way they are

Well he did try starting the space force so maybe that was his attempt at a space marine

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If it vaguely looks like a dollar and it's more than 75% the size of a regular bill or less than 150% the size, it's in counterfeit territory.

In theory, yes, but in reality it's a religious cult. The majority of his followers won't abandon him no matter how much abuse they suffer from him and their fellow cultists.

While your plan is good in theory, how many places like this have you found? I have ran into a grand total of zero. It's hard to support businesses doing it a better way when you can't find any.

Huh. I've literally never been anywhere that does this.

And none of those would be considered if no one ever tipped since it wouldn't be one server but all of them.

No point. It is purely symbolic.

Yes. One of the many reasons I say we need a UBI.

There's technically two different rates employers are federally required to pay. First there's the standard $7.25/h. The second is for workers that receive cash tips. Employers are allowed to pay said workers as little as $2.13/h so long as their tips and their regular wages work out to $7.25h. If the employee's gross pay works out to less than $7.25/h, then the employer is obligated to make up the difference. The idea, I presume, is to allow some wiggle room to "encourage a more competitive market for smaller businesses," while still ensuring workers make at least the minimum.

People are generalizing, but this isn't the case for all of the US. Things vary by state

What do you define as proper wage though? Minimum wage is $16 where I live in the USA, including for tipped jobs, and people still tip.