Sanders and Warren push Democrats to fight for workers and ‘unrig’ economy

Form your own party. Dump the useless liberals. Reconstitute the SPA and team up with the unions.

Thats more of a step 2 or 3. Step 1 is that everybody needs to start putting pressure on the DNC and make sure they understand that we’re not going to take it anymore. And I’m not referring to that bullshit “not voting” rhetoric, because not voting is tantamount to voting republican.

Once the DNC is forced to listen to us plebs again, then it’ll be a good time to look at breaking out into more parties. But we need to put the fear of whomever they pray to in them first.
- The reality of American political process is that it takes at least a billion dollars to run a Presidential campaign. (Thanks, SCOTUS) That kind of money doesn't come from unions, social activists, or proletariat donors. It comes from corporations and billionaires, and those people don't like revolution.
  
  Until someone can demonstrate that you can get more votes with progressive, worker-friendly policy proposals than with a well funded propaganda machine, the DNC is going to keep chasing the less conservative billionaires. And no third party will even be relevant.
- If they really cared about "country over party" they'd vehemently support ranked choice voting at all levels of government and an end to gerrymandering. Even though the Democrats aren't really extremists our political system will continue to prop up extreme views if everything is identity politics and there are only two you can choose from.
- The dnc is never going to listen to the plebs because they only answer the money, and we don't have it. As long as people keep participating in their game of electoral politics, nothing will change. Let them lose several elections in a row, and maybe they'll see the light or fade off into obscurity, which is the preferred method.
- Step 1 is already done, and now institutional resistance from inside the party is the problem. So it is in fact time for step 2, there’s enough of a body of voters to start building it.
  
  The trick is that to subsume the DNC in the next ten years or so, the party has to form a coalition with it for now while remaining separate. That could achieve two goals: first, put a lot of pressure on Republicans they aren’t ready for. Next, create a strong leftward tension that just isn’t represented right now and which the Democrats will be walled off from controlling.
  
  It’s sort of what happened with the Tea Party / MAGA.
- That's what they did this election, and we got fascism and the DNC doesn't matter anymore. So now what?
- Yup. Call your Senators and tell them you have no faith in the party leadership, and that Chuck Shcumer cannot continue as Senate Minority Leader. If they're up for reelection in the next two years, tell them you're happy to support a primary challenger if it's the only way to get change.
- You know you can do more than pressure them, right? You can get involved with your state party, which in turn elects the leaders of the national party. You can vote in the primaries and kick out corporate Dems. We know this works because it's precisely how the fascists took over the Republican party.
- Why don’t we simply kill the DNC instead. And the RNC. Seems easier that way. And no I don’t mean mentally.
- Yeah how’s that voting blue no matter who working for you? You still ended up with trump.
"Form your own party. "

Good luck with getting ballot access.

But no need to start from scratch - here's a list of political parties in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States
Unfortunately, Bernie will not be the one to lead that. Social Democrats fundamentally have to side with and cater to the bourgeoisie as they depend on Capitalism, unless you mean to advocate for a real revolutionary Socialist party. In the latter case, PSL already exists, and the DSA has powerful Marxist caucuses like Red Star and MUG that are close to gaining over 50% control of the party. I wrote an introductory reading list for Marxism if that appeals to you or anyone else.
Do a hostile takeover of the GOP instead. Many states don't care why party you register as, and if they do just register as a Republican and vote in their primaries. Pick a socialist candidate and get them to run as a Republican, and vote for them. This is in essence what Trump did, but of course he did it for fascism and got Nazis to vote Republican. The same strategy can work for anyone else. This can start in safe blue states where no one votes in the GOP primaries and spread from there.

This is a far more realistic strategy because third parties are vulnerable to the spoiler effect and will always fail due to people being worried about electing Republicans.
You are aware of first past the post right? That really needs to be the first thing on your agenda to get fixed. Until then, the USA will ALWAYS be a two-party system (with brief blips in change over).
- Correct, but it need not be these two parties.

I just don't get why we're not training and endorsing out the next group with all this press. Sanders and Warren need to back and/or start a coalition of progressive up-and-coming leaders that they can help hone and introduce to the larger political landscape while they have the energy and influence. They need to stop being the only torch bearers and start bringing in underlings. Idc if they follow them around like a posse, might actually be better if they did. I would cuddle with Sanders all night if I could, I'm just tired of his name being the only one catching attention. The will try to bury any movement with him when his time comes, best to get ahead of it so momentum can keep going.

Warren lost any credibility in ~~2016~~ 2020. She shattered her legacy as fully as Biden is draggin his own name through a river of shit now.
- You got the year wrong, 2020 is when she was a spoiler going into Super Tuesday.
- When she became a spoiler for Biden? Yeah....
Social Democrats will always cater to Liberals, because they both rest on the foundations of Capitalism. Social Democrats aren't trying to disrupt the system, but prod it towards more safety nets. Even if they raised successors, they would face the same struggles, because the DNC can't support itself without the blessing and support of the Bourgeoisie as their donors.

A truly destabilizing movement comes from outside the boundaries of the normal electoral system and depends on real, actual Worker Organization. That's why it's helpful to read theory. I wrote an introductory reading list for Marxism if that appeals to you or anyone else.
Sanders lost lots of clout when the dems slandered him as some kind of sexual predator.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/03/681815362/bernie-sanders-responds-to-allegations-of-sexism-and-harassment-on-2016-campaign
Sanders has his squad but they’re still ineffective and bow down to the dems the second there’s any conflict.
I'm extremely disappointed in sanders for him not trying to prop up some ideological successors. He can't keep going forever.

It's kind of scary to think that this man could literally die any day and there'll be nobody to take his place.

They could have been doing this the whole time lol.

Starting 40 years ago. They've been tripping over themselves to throat the Corporate dick for decades.
They are still tied to the DNC Party Line, so that's why they haven't. This is also why the DNC cannot and will never be a Worker Party, it's organized like a business that sells policy to wealthy Capitalists.
- How many Dems voted against the Child Tax Credit Extension this?
  
  How many Dems voted against protecting Union Pensions in the last 4 years?
  
  Which candidate this year ran on funding for first time home buyers?
Then we never would have heard of them.
- We might have heard how they're radicals, etc., before they disappeared.

Warren can go fuck herself, She was one of several that backed out of the 2020 race to kneecap Bernie Because he was projected to win the Democrat nomination. People like Warren fucked all of us.

FWIW she actually didn't back out with the moderate candidates before Super Tuesday. She did after splitting the progressive vote between her and Bernie, giving Biden the win.
I'm sorry but this is how I read your comment:

"How dare she run for President instead of letting the man take it."
- You need to work on your reading comprehension, then.
- She split the vote by staying running against the best progressive voice of our time. Her selfishness is a direct cause of Biden being elected.
- Going into Super Tuesday when conveniently all the moderates dropped out in favor of biden, she stayed in the race despite having no path to win and the only reason was to split the progressive vote away from sanders as a spoiler to guarantee biden the nomination since sanders was giving him a run for his money.
  
  Funny how liberal shills flip the fuck out about third party voting in the general working as a spoiler yet resort to bullshit identity politics when their own act as spoilers.
  
  She along with the DNC ratfucked the primary and delivered us an ineffectual and detestable biden/Harris which directly led to trump being re-elected. Fuck her.
  
  But yeah it’s totally misogyny for why we hate her, not the fact that she colluded with the dnc to fuck sanders over once again.
  
  The democrats don’t give a fuck about fighting fascism. It’s all theatre to them.
- Not everything is misogyny
- She was never polling to win, by every matrices Bernie was projected to win, but the oligarchy couldn't have a populist candidate win and preserve the status quo so they kneecapped him to shove Biden into the spotlight

Too fucking late, maybe if no-path-to-win Warren didn’t stay in the primary race in 2020 we would of had sanders. But the democrats can’t run a primary without ratfucking it in favor of their corporate donors.

Did Biden not receive more votes than Sanders?
- Biden did, but a big controversy is that the moderates all dropped out around the same time to rally around Biden, while Warren, the other major progressive in the race, stayed in just long enough to fuck Bernie's chances. There's definitely some... ill feeling still there.

Too little too late.

Sanders has been trying this entire time. It's not his fault the DNC won't listen to him.

Good on Warren for saying this. I think that the attacks on Warren for staying in the 2020 primary were really overboard. She would have been a great candidate 🥲

Warren, along with the other candidates, colluded with the DNC to drop out en masse in favor of Biden. She, unlike Bernie, is a DNC card-carrying member who, despite her positive work and Progressive stance on Wall Street, played along with the machinations of the Democratic party. They ignored the will of the people.

If she had endorsed Sanders instead of accusing him of lying (second link), we might have had a different outcome. Moreover, Hillary implied he was sexist - a laughable accusation.

Warren lacked the convictions she needed when the time was right.
- Holy shit, you just mind blasted me with a memory I had lost. That whole shit show between Bernie and Warren during a debate where she acted all fluffed and pissed off because Bernie was apparently somekind of sexist?! or at least the media and her team tried to play it that way but it completely backfired if I remember right.
- Hillary didn't just imply he was sexist, she claimed (without proof) that he said that women were prone to rape fantasies
  
  I'm surprised the "Bernie Bro." thing stuck when "Obama Boy" didn't
- OMG a conspiracy by the DNC to elect an actual registered Democrat instead of an independent, how shocking /s
  
  seriously, what did you expect?
- Sanders could have won every single vote cast for Warren and he'd still have lost the primary. Stop making up conspiracies and start recognizing that we need more people to vote for us.
She should have gotten the fuck out before super Tuesday.
- Or ran in 2016 like Bernie asked her to do. But she sat it out because she wanted Clinton to run.
No they weren't.

Do people still feel the bern?

I do. I never stopped.
the bernie bros have been out in force since the election shouting down anyone who disagrees with their vision of a populist party run by an old, out of touch white man. why does that sound familiar /s
I did until seeing this headline 5 times a day for the past week.

Too late. This shit is done.

Funny how you're getting downvoted, but this post saying the same thing isn't.

Do better, Lemmy. Quit dogpiling; this isn't Reddit.
- If you make the exact same low content post a half hour after someone else, you're probably going to catch some downvotes.
- Well that's because this post was made a half hour after the other post. Too little, too late to grab all of them sweet sweet fake internet points.

This kinda talk is the right kind, but at the wrong time.

We are well past the "You can vote fascism away" stage

Voting alone won't do it. But please remember, Pinochet was voted out.

We need to support local organization and action, because without that, the vote is powerless under a fascist regime. But the vote, combined with strong popular institutions, remains powerful in all but the most withered of fascist states.

I hate to say this, but it's too fucking late for any sort of electoral solution, at least on a national level. At this point we need to develop local capacity to secure our progressive enclaves in liberal states and big metropolitan areas. This means rooting out the conservative factions within our police and firing bad actors, as well as training community-based self-defense forces. We also need to build more effective local resilience and mutual aid networks so that the Federal government can't dangle emergency aid over us when pandemics and climate-related disasters recur, as they frequently will. We need politicians who will defend our territory, boundaries and values, and fight to discontinue the tremendous subsidy we pay to MAGA territories. We need more self-sufficient economies that trade primarily with healthy, rights-respecting economies in Canada and Europe. It's a heavy lift and unfortunately I don't see anyone up to the task right now, as even Bernie, Warren, and AOC are stubborn institutionalists who will continue trying to work within the system even as it works against them and their constituents.

Bro, that state governments at local levels are as left leaning as they’ve ever been, yes they can be pushed more, but this theory of every Democrat being a corrupt neocon is laughable.

People who have built their entire career around attacking working and rigging the economy are not going to reverse their entire lives.

How many Dems voted against the Child Tax Credit Extension this?

How many Dems voted against protecting Union Pensions in the last 4 years?

Which candidate this year ran on funding for first time home buyers?

Nonsense!