Reddit says it is not covered by new Online Safety Code as it has moved its jurisdiction to the Netherlands

Fuck Spez

He's such a disgusting greedy little pig boy who frankly belongs in a deep hole where nobody will find him 🙏
- Saddam meme with Sadam crossed out and replaced with Spez.jpg
I agree, but what the Irish are doing is dumb. If reddit it hit with that, then so should Google and the whole of the internet, since everything can get you videos. No one should be in charge of sensoring the internet.
- If you want to operate in a country, you have to abide by their laws.
- I've read your sentence multiple times and I've no idea what it means.
Absolutely fuck spez.

But he's right here. Just because he's a fuckstick doesn't mean he's always wrong on every issue 100% of the time.

Various forms of censorship under the flag of 'online safety' have been pushed by governments since the internet began to exist. And before that with print media and television. Censorship is not the answer. Never was. First it was for porn, then it was for video games, then it was for hate speech, it's always something.

But in the words of Captain Jean-Luc Picard,

"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

Censorship must be opposed.
- I disagree since I think censorship can be desired when combatting hate speech. Maybe we just disagree how exactly we use the word 'censorship'.
- It requires them to restrict certain categories of video, so that users cannot share content on cyberbullying, promoting eating disorders, promotion of self harm or incitement to hatred on a number of grounds.
  
  Yeh, fuck censorship. Let's all be shitbags and do that stuff instead!
- I think reducing the visibility of some kinds of content can be good, especially for those under 18. E.g. when it comes to content around suicide, I think it is better if children/teenagers see "there is support for you, please speak to a charity for free on this phone number" instead of pro-suicide content.

It requires them to restrict certain categories of video, so that users cannot share content on cyberbullying, promoting eating disorders, promotion of self harm or incitement to hatred on a number of grounds.

Wow, what a horrible, restraining overreach.

I am shedding tears for the 1.2% engagement loss this would cost Reddit next quarter. Imagine what they have to pay devs for filtering abusive videos!

(I hate to sound so salty, but its mind boggling that they would fight this so vehemently, instead of just... filtering abusive content? Which they already do for anything that actually costs them any profit).

Well......the problem is reddit's size.

I'm not part of reddit anymore because they filtered me out for abusive content.

The content that was so abusive? I told a story on /r/Cleveland about the time 35 years ago I got my bike stolen.

I wasn't accusing any current reddit user of being the theif. But reddit bots flagged me of being abusive to other users.

We don't even know if that guy who stole my bike 35 years ago is even still alive, much less an active redditor on /r/Cleveland. So who am I being abusive to, when I say it's a bad idea to let strangers ride your bike without some kind of assurance you'll get it back?
- I got banned when I told a literal Nazi, that said that literal Jews should die, should drink bleach to purify their genes before they contaminated the genepool.
  
  I still stand by it. my grandfather fucked up Nazis, and I'll fuck up Nazis too.
- Fair. +1
  
  But also, that just sounds like they're cheaping out on content filtering. And, you know, kinda broke the enthusiastic community moderation that made it great in the first place.
- Well…the problem is reddit’s size.
  
  They've never been shy about targeting certain subs and communities for shutdown when it suits their commercial interests. This has nothing to do with size and everything to do with the nature of the content itself.
  
  These videos are pure clickbait. They feed engagement. They build up lots of enthusiasm both among content providers and active users. And, as a consequence, they make the company money.
  
  But reddit bots flagged me of being abusive to other users.
  
  Bots will flag any post purely based on keyword searches and AI parsing of sentiment. Its got nothing to do with your actual statement. But it also depends heavily on who you are, where you post, and how often other users flag you. Very possibly you simply got "Report" flagged a bunch of times by other users for some reason and that - plus a naive parsing - was all the AI bot needed to know.
  
  But I'll also bet the post wasn't getting thousands of unique interactions and external visits. If you'd been a power-poster who was posting a face-cam rant rather than a text blob, I suspect you'd have been fine.
- same with me and /r/Toronto got banned for stating a long dead prime minister was horrible to indigenous people. they used the excuse that I was submitting too many articles about crimes in the city as that subreddit's mods automatically remove any content about crime or pro Palestinian content.
  
  Post god knows how many photos of the CN tower, the fucking sun setting or snow...hey that's great! anything that's news worthy and potentially paints the city in a bad light? nope, censored. It's so bad that i'm convinced the mods there are being paid under the table by the City.
- The problem is Reddit's CEO. Fullstop
- I hate Reddit as much as the next guy but that just sounds like an asshole mod
- I'm gonna have to ask you to stop abusing whatever random reddit mod flagged you back then in case they might be here. Or else.
They would have to hire a shitload of people to police it all along with the rest of the questionable shit on there, like jailbait or whatever other shit they turned a blind eye to until it showed up on the news

Not saying it's right but from a business standpoint it makes sense
- Don't they flag stuff automatically?
  
  Not sure what they're using on the backend, but open source LLMs that take image inputs are good now. Like, they can read garbled text from a meme and interpret it with context, easily. And this is apparently a field thats been refined over years due to the legal need for CSAM detection anyway.
- A shitload of people, like as many as 10!
I hate to sound so salty, but its mind boggling that they would fight this so vehemently, instead of just… filtering abusive content?

I guess it's just enshittification. Profits are their first priority.
I wonder what the investors like Condé Nast/Advance Publications think of this?
Probably would require them to actually pay moderators! The horror!
I'm a little surprised to hear people so willing to let the government of Ireland determine who they are allowed to hate and for what reasons.
- Because at this point, I trust the Irish government more than Reddit to make proper moderation judgements.
  
  It's not a high bar, and not ideal... but I feel social media's raging internal issues have overshadowed the fear of governments worming their way inside, at least in my eyes.
- You are making such a useless point that requires minimal effort or thought. It would be better if you actually shared a tangible concern rather than providing a strawman argument meant to cause an irrational fear in people reading your comment.
  
  For example, you could have shared which group of people you want to be a protected class and is not by Irish law; or which group of people is currently a protected class by Irish law and should not be. At least, then, you would have brought up a real concern about how the Irish government is determining hate speech; because right now, all you are doing is fear mongering.

The moved their jurisdiction to the Netherlands? In the EU? Wow. Now the GDPR can be used to really kick their butts.

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GDPR applies regardless of where headquarters are located
- Yes, but it's easier to enforce EU regulations when the headquarters happens to be within the EU.
- There is always the issue of "x applies" and "x is enforcable". Think of Signal or Telegram here.
Aren't there tax benefits to incorporating in Ireland? Conventional thought would suggest that the tax/regulatory environment in the Netherlands would be less attractive? Maybe that's wrong... I wonder what their reasons for moving were. Is that where Steve Huffman wants to build his new doomsday bunker? Gotta spread out just in case. Maybe connect it to the one in CA with a massive underwater tunnel lol clown
- They usually operate in tandem, a double dutch irish tax sandwich or whatever it is called.
- Oh we got a bunch of leeches in Europe, Ireland is not the only one
- Mmm... Serpent Road...
They would be forced to delete all messages of all deleted users

Dear Netherlands,

The pigboy is your problem now. Sorry not sorry.

Sincerely,

Everyone else

You can almost hear the EU lawyers cracking their knuckles and quietly saying: "about that user data protection."
- Yeah, moving to the EU to escape regulation doesn't seem like a smart move.
- Um... Did you read the article? It's about moving their EU Headquarters from Ireland to the Netherlands. GDPR applied before and after. This is specifically about Irish censorship requirements.

Why does anyone still use reddit? Why does anyone still use Twitter? Why does anyone still use Instagram?

Reddit has an absolutely massive wealth of community knowledge. If you want to find a community for $thing or gain obscure knowledge on $thing, that's where you go (assuming there isn't an old forum post from before Reddit killed forums).

Twitter is where a lot of people still are. If you're the kind of person to care what a particular person says, that's where you probably want to be.

Instagram is used by young people who have friends on Instagram.

It isn't a great system, but it is the system that we have today. This is why legislation compelling Meta/Twitter/whothefuckever to act in an ethical manner is important. Social media is to some extent a natural oligopoly, and unless we get extremely, extremely lucky, the fediverse will always be a niche community.
Find me easier to access niche communities and I'll be gone from reddit. I hoped Lemmy would blow up. Instead, reddit just shrank.
- Find me easier to access niche communities
  
  Have fun trying to discuss anything that isn't about linux, american politics or reddit/amazon/elon bad!!. Lemmy is just a decentralized circle jerk.
- Yeah I really wish people in niche communities would just migrate over. I honestly don't understand why they haven't yet.
- I hoped Lemmy would blow up.
  
  Blow up one server and three new will sprout.
This is basically asking why anyone would live in or near a city like Los Angeles or New York City when Minot exists and has everything you could possibly need.

If you had to look up where Minot even is, you've proven my point.

Say what you will about whether living near the proverbial big city is worth it or not. But it cannot be denied, there is a world of experiences on offer at larger platforms that a smaller platform simply cannot provide. Network effect can be a cruel mistress.
- Why not Minot?
A lot of stuff ONLY has viable Q&A discussion there....

As much as I love the idea of Lemmy, try finding active communities here for: MAME or any other videogame emulation... Plex... The breed of your family dog/cat... Most any sort of non-Fedi-focused brand/podcast/personality...

Yes, I can create a new community. Then I just sit in it by myself, and occasionally deal with spam.
- Discoverability is poor on Lemmy and isn't helped by the low user count.
  
  Would be nice to revisit an old idea from Newsgroups, where you could sub to gaming and see everything, or gaming.playstation.ps5 or gaming.emulation.mame or whatever for sub-communities.
  
  But then the decentralised nature works against it there as well.
Because people do not care. It is that simple.
As someone who only recently joined Lemmy (as a result of getting booted from Reddit) it ultimately comes down to it being bigger.

You can talk regularly about series have been over for a decade. Just about any niche interest has a vibrant community. The reality is the average person doesn't care about it selling our data, putting a fingerprint on our gear one step above spyware, it being overrun with bots, every level of administration being dominated by megalomaniacs. If you just want to look through some stuff you're interested in while you're bored, it serves a purpose that lemmy unfortunately can't at it's size.
These comments are so braindead, Jesus Christ.
You don't know why someone would use a social link aggregator.. and you're lamenting about this on a social link aggregator.

Why are you here?
- Almost like they asked about a specific site and not the concept of link aggregators or something
- Exactly. Really incomprehensible why are some people amazed at some things. We're all different, with different motives, different needs, different levels of coziness and different views on privacy etc.
Yeah, Reddit is not the ghost town I thought it would be after the mass exodus.
- I don't get why more people didn't move to Lemmy or mbin
- It's still active -- save the communities that got kneecapped by mods during the revolt (and sadly, most of those are now Discord-based rather than having any appreciable activity here).
  
  The activity there now is a lot... dumber. Like much of the internet, the ratio of real people to braindead bots on Reddit is a lot different than a few years ago.
- Like we had a secret (or not so secret) desire for it to crumble so we can crack a beer and say good riddance. 😁
  
  But in the end, business mostly as usual.
Most people don’t care. I’m sick of hearing about Reddit, I left because I do care but I don’t want to keep hearing about my ex, you know!

We are not important, we are the minority that maybe cares about these things and that’s ok, we should live our lives the way we want to and allow others to do the same.
- Agreed. Yes, it's important to know what's going on in the "big" world - but I wish all of us more interested in Lemmy, the small web, and so on spent more time and energy on creating, maintaining, and enjoying what we can build/use and less lamenting, bashing, or wishing for what we want to leave behind.
For Twitter it really doesn't make sense because it has become undebatably a "Nazi bar", metaphorically since they aren't an actual bar, but they still support and tolerate Nazis (and other manners of horrible people). Some people insist that it isn't and there are "normal level headed people there" but that doesn't matter, it's still a Nazi bar, because it accepts and tolerates Nazis. How can someone expect to not be judged for going to and hanging out in a place like that?
because their friends are there

or in reddit's case, because they think their friends are there
Because people dream of making it big, being viral, being an influencer with a ton of followers and money. That one second of fame is still tantalising to a lot of people.

Also a lot of these apps (not reddit, but the others like Facebook) are installed on phones by default. To many, they are just what the internet is.

Nana and grandad used to do email. Now it's just racist rainbowflag-phobic reposting on Facebook and wondering why their grandkids that haven't looked at FB in a decade don't contact them.
I use it for porn still
- first Tumblr banned porn, then Reddit requires sign-in for 18+ content (I know old UI bypasses that), and now Twitter has become a walled garden as well. Bad times for gooners
Why does anyone still use Reddit?

Some niche communities and content to repost on Lemmy

Why does anyone still use Instagram?

Friends and memes to repost on Lemmy
Why does anyone still use chrome!

I get twitter and reddit because of the uniqueness of the platforms but chrome is just a web browser! Any other program can be used in its stead to view the same exact websites yet people continue to use it even being stubborn about it!
Overall, because Lemmy is slow and boring mostly. I see headlines here and go to Reddit for the comments through the geddit crawler.
- I gotta disagree with you here. At least on the sub(s) that I still - on the occasion of big events - take a glance at. To me, Reddit comments are the epitome of staleness and predictability. Also, their user base seems like a bunch of 40-year-old dads that mentally peaked at 16, but keep getting more racist by the year.
Complacency
Because social networks are only as good as the people who are on them.
reddit has half functioning search.
i seen a few people still use it my friend,some random people in a server,etc
Maybe because they just want to???
What's wrong with Instagram now?
- Centralized and owned by meta. Harvesting your data constantly. Ads upon ads that track you. Proprietary.

Idea: Governments maintain a list of entities that are evading the law like that, and then doesn't prosecute people who are accused of crimes against such entities. The idea being that if you place yourself outside of the law's reach, you also place yourself outside of the law's protection.

That’s a bingo!
- We just say bingo...

I‘m confused. Reddit claims it doesn’t host videos, just links to them but it absolutely does host videos.

All their media is hosted under the redditstatic domain, and as far as I can tell, that's hosted on AWS. (There's actually also a redditmedia domain, which they may also use, but that's also on AWS).

That probably means that Reddit can get away with saying they don't host any of it. They merely point their web addresses at the third party host.
- No, they really can't. They own and operate the redditstatic domain and rent the server space from AWS. De jure that makes them the hoster.
- But they provide the methods of uploading, deleting and viewing the contents of that storage to their end users.
  So, it's Reddits storage.
- They are responsible for that AWS account. No court in its right mind would think otherwise.
~~Not since the last half decade.~~

edit: i read the comment backwards. oops.
- You can upload videos straight to Reddit in 2024
- as a connoisseur of science on Reddit, I can most assuredly confirm Reddit does host video content.
From article

Reddit challenged its designation on the basis that it is mostly a text-based discussion platform, and links to videos uploaded elsewhere on the internet should not be factored in. The Irish regulator counter-argued that the audio-visual content on the platform is extensive, and pointed to its enormous reach, with 73 million daily users.

Could not find any post statistics, but they probably are correct and percentage wise uploaded videos should be at the bottom, but total count probably is too large to be simply disregarded. Reddit probably has more videos than Vimeo which is purely video based. And if Reddit would be in the clear then so should be Twitter and Facebook since those too are primarily text based.

Welkom in Nederland, moederneuker!

Terlinglijer
Vierenveertig vliegjen en een goudvis in de pinderkaas op de lul in een konijntjenaaimachine!
Ma naiers!

What a weaselly thing to do

Shut up, Weasley!
- Eat slugs, Malfoy!

the utility of the nation/state has been broken by 21st century meta-national billionaires

unions are useful but they no longer cover the distance between labor and capital

we need a new group of collective shit to aspire to because humans gonna human

The Un doesn't do it for you/us?
- Lol
  
  Lmao even

Sounds like another case of US tech companies fucking with the web of EU regulations to nobody's benefit but their own.

It's no wonder they moved to another tax haven. Sorry, sorry. The EU doesn't have tax havens according to their own rules. Low tax threshold geographic jurisdictions.

Wait isn't Ireland an EU tax haven?
- The EU has a blacklist of tax havens around the world. And, according to the rules the EU decided, no EU member is a tax haven. 🙃
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_tax_haven_blacklist
  
  Apparently, according to that link, they did try to class Ireland and the Netherlands as "countries with traits of tax havens" but the recommendation hasn't been implemented. Quelle suprise.

Of course it has. It says everything you need to know

Maybe they should be investigated for all the child porn they used to host and the TD contributions to the riots

To this day, I still can't believe how long Reddit defended underage porn subreddits. Literally do nothing and say "free speech" . Then suddenly a news article happens and then they finally take action.
- It’s almost like spez cares more about money than any kind of moral grandstanding, which of course is super weird for a capitalist

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/18/technology/dutch-school-privacy-google-microsoft-zoom.html

If anything, the Dutch will enforce more laws on them

Time for the EU to rip him a new one :)

Sounds like it'll need blocked in Ireland then

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

Fuck Spez

What's the joke about? Does Ireland block everything that comes from the Netherlands?
- It's more a "If a company doesn't comply with a coutry's regulations then it can't operate in that country" thing and not a joke.
  
  For example Twitter when it was blocked in Brazil for a little while because they didn't want to pay a fine for not complying with some of their regulations.

Fuck these tax heavens.

Sarcasm surely
- If I'm not having a whoosh moment, the fact they have bases in Ireland and the Netherlands very much sounds like they're operating a Double Irish Dutch Sandwich.

Time for the DSA and the DMA to be applied to reddit.

Wanna break laws by skirting jurisdiction semantics? Fine; The US should just block Reddit.

I never knew so many people lived there.

A censorship promoting platform flees censorship?

https://www.eff.org/cyberspace-independence 🙁🙁😭😡

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I wonder what they would do if a social platform based on IPFS got popular.

so like, how can american companys just go "im not american lol, your laws dont apply to me despite me operating mostly in the us"

a nice little eli5 would be cool, i get the why, but the how?

I'm banned from Reddit after wishing someone would get the death penalty for murdering a child.

Yeah, probably not the best opinion to express on Reddit, or most other sites for that matter. Even if I might happen to agree with you, that's always gonna strike a nerve with quite a few people out there.
Tied on a rope made from putin? Yup. I got banned too.

The Irish hadn't transposed EU regulations yet, says Irish Times

And, the Dutch/ EU law is quite strict with IP, online content and privacy.