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Product elitism is dumb.
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It was fun before... like 20 years ago. Now it's just... eh. Apple users don't care about any of that. They want a device that "just works" and has their ecosystem. They're trapped in it, but eh, what's the point. They aren't going to convert, and after converting some people you learn you just become tech support for them.
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Seriously, does anyone think Apple users care about unlocked bootloaders and LDAC codecs? They want whatever the new iOS features are and their AirPods to work seamlessly.
I have an Android phone and an iPhone, and they both do pretty much the same thing. I can do some things with Android that iOS can't, but it's nothing an average user couldn't do without, or even know they're missing.
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Except when the shitty ecosystem fucks with everyone else. Eg. when trying to get files from an iOS device to another phone. You need to use 3rd party software, which is almost exclusively shit on iOS and (at least in my school) no iPad kiddie managed to use local file sharing websites. The real kicker? Sharing stuff from the teachers iPad to the students does not work reliably either. Never. 20 students, and Apple can't manage to transport shit. We resorted to uploading it to Teams - so much for Apple's nice ecosystem for easily sharing files, which ends up taking 15+ Minutes.
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They want a device that “just works” and has their ecosystem.
i have friends that struggle to pay rent and they're forced to pay apple's extortion-esque prices when something goes wrong or when purchasing their phones and equipment.
witnessing them suffer like this hits close to home for me because i grew up poor enough to ration out the government cheese & powdered milk along with asking extended family and begging neighbors for food so that we could stay alive until next payday and also because i'm tech savvy enough to understand how unscrupulously apple has behaved at creating this well designed trap of an ecosystem that's actively easy to fall into and passively difficult to leave; locking my friends into a seeming perpetually repeating cycle of new iphones and government cheese.
i think that the icing on this shit-cake is that they're all atleast vaguely aware that apple is screwing them over; but they still accept it because it either "just works" or it's "all they know" and that blows my mind because 5-year-old-me HATED government powdered milk in my cereal enough to switch to oatmeal for breakfast if it were an option.
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I‘ve used Android and iPhones for multiple years. Now I am using an iPhone and I am very happy. Main reasons are build quality and software. It just works. And the main advantage is primarily if you use multiple Apple devices. And since Android phones are expensive as fuck, too, I don’t care about the price anymore
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And yet every time Apple announce a new product or feature, Android fans are here with their 'welcome to the past' memes.
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So you dislike Apple, then? All they do is product elitism.
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Yeah.
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mAh is a stupid way to measure batteries. Wh is more relevant.
It also tells nothing about the efficiency of the device. You can add a 50kWh battery to a device but it doesn’t matter if it uses 2kWh at idle
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I'd argue Wh is a complete waste. Just use J, which is the much more established unit.
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I disagree. Joules are really hard to understand to laypeople. Watt-hours directly relate to the power of a device without conversion, and can even be really translated in terms of power bill.
3.6 megajoules? Eh, I guess that's maybe a lot? Or not?
1000 watt-hours? Oh, like running a microwave for a whole hour? Dang that's a LOT!
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I believe it actually has to do more with historical conventions in electronics or math. (This is just what I remember from heresay when I was in university as an electronics engineer), but there is also a mathematical reason.
history hearsay theory
The easiest way to measure power draw is by measuring current draw (voltage across a sense resistor) way back before there were affordable, quality ICs to measure voltage and current and pretty much joule count.
To add to this, current sensors are much easier and cheaper than test machines that do the calculations for you.
When lithium batteries and NiCAD batteries became standard compared to the earlier lead-acid (which are measured in Wh), they had an extremely flat voltage curve compared to lead acid. They could be considered to be at a constant voltage.
Now cheaper electronics were being made and if a designer wanted to know how long a battery would last, they could take the nominal battery voltage that the battery would be at a vast majority of the time, and they could just measure the current draw over a short time of the circuit, 10s of calculations, and you have your approximate battery life. There is a joke that engineers approximate π to 3.
Even designing electronics today, everything is specced to current draw, not power draw. ICs take X current in mA during Y operations. Your DCDC converters have Z quiescent currents and from there you can calculate efficiency. It is much easier to work in current for energy running through the circuit.
Math units
Ah is a measure of electrical charge.
Wh is a measure of energy
Batteries and capacitors hold charge so are measured in Ah, generators that power the grid generate energy and use of that energy is measured in Wh (it also isn't a "constant" voltage source like batteries as it is AC)
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Yes. I really wish all batteries used watt-hours. All it'd take would be for someone to design a phone that runs at a different voltage and their battery numbers would stop being comparable.
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I guess it comes down to whether we want to primarily communicate battery size in terms of charge (Coulombs = Amps * Time) or energy (Joules = Watts * Time).
The first metric you multiply by your operating voltage to get the second metric, whereas the second metric you have to divide by your voltage to get the first. Depends on what comes easier to most people.
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With the increasing abundance of electric vehicles people are getting used to (k)Wh as the unit for battery size. It would make sense to use the same unit for smaller electronics as well, IMO.
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A 4Ah battery at 5V would be a 20Wh battery, drop the kilo. Electronics draw power at idle, not energy. 2kWh is meaningless without an idle duration. What are you saying?
Wh may be better for determining total energy storage across differing cell chemistry. mAh is standard for electronics and makes more sense at the design level as the battery voltage is chemistry dependent and known to the designer.
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What? They draw power, not energy?
Energy is just the product of power and time. And just like amperage, the power draw of a device varies.
And this should be obvious, but what makes more sense to an electronics engineer doesn't matter one bit to the end user. And the end user doesn't know anything about milli-amperes or volts (except maybe their wall outlet voltage).
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Not even what it was once close to being unfortunately on the android side either.
Android users have also been losing features every year.
Flagships have seen the removal of:
-SD card expansion - what we could once count on to use phones like mirrorless cameras is now gone so they can rip you off for higher non expandable storage (128GB SD? $10. 128 -> 256 GB base? $200)
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3.5mm - why buy cheap wired headphones when you can force people to spend 10x as much on wireless! Coming up with a solution to a problem they invented.
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IR blaster - yes I used it since it worked on TV, receiver, DVD player, air conditioner, etc. Also super convenient if you have used stuff you bought without the remote
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FM radio - yes I used it again since no data needed! Can also be fun to listen to campus radio or when travelling
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notification led - The RGB led was pretty good when you had binds foe each app to know who texted you and why. Always on OLED draws substantially more power than the LED did
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Always unlocked bootloaders - the custom ROM scene was pretty big at one point, but has shrunk as more manufacturs have begun locking bootloaders 'for safety'
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removable battery - phone no longer holding a good charge? $15 fix. Was also super convenient since I bought a spare that I kept charged and in my bag, meaning I could go 0% to 100% in 2 mins... better than fast charge!
List could go on for longer. Maybe it's just nostalgia but I do miss some of those days.
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This is what Android users get for pining after Samsung despite them being first in line after Apple to remove most of these. JFC they made a phone that exploded and they STILL lead the market.
(yes, I use android too)
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- Losing SD Expansion sucks; they should bring this back. Only reason they stopped this is greed.
- Yet another Nice-To-Have that is gone; but I've never seen any phones that weren't Samsung with this. This one doesn't really even affect waterproofing; or phone size so they have no excuse.
- I certainly miss this one; but the FM Radio was present back on my 2020 Moto G6 Power. It was present on my 2020 Moto Edge. This one got stolen from us because we lost the 3.5mm Jack too...they used the wire from your wired headphones as an FM Antenna lead.
- This is nice; but I ended up having to root my Nexus 6 to make this work properly and use all the colors the LED could perform. I don't really miss it with Bezel-less phones.
- I hate that bootloaders are frequently locked; but it's been less necessary to root Android as it's improved over the years. There are still a few pain points; but not quite as many that require root.
- This is another case of greed. There's no reason why we shouldn't have removable batteries for phones that aren't IP67 or higher. If it ain't waterproof; there's no reason to seal the battery in...and replaceable batteries is a benefit when they accidentally ship units that become "spicy pillows" when the batteries swell due to bad batteries. It also simplifies disposal of phones; which don't need disassembly if they've got a removable battery.
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My old HTC one had an ir blaster. It was great.
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The newest HTC phone had a headphone jack and expandable memory. Hopefully they keep going down that route and keep up the software support and I might have to consider them.
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- Losing SD Expansion sucks; they should bring this back. Only reason they stopped this is greed.
Fuck that noise. SD expansion was a terrible idea and I’m glad it’s gone. There are so many problems introduced by removable storage, it was a terrible PITA to deal with as a developer. One of Google’s dumbest ideas in early Android. Good. Fucking. Riddance.
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I'm conviced LG (do they even still make phones?) and Samsung removed the IR blaster so you connect their ACs, TVs and other shit to the internet
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Bought a new phone and still find myself searching for the audio plug every time i pick up my headset...
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That Sony retailed for $1300 when it launched
The iPhone goes for $800
The 13 Pro which released around the same time also had USB 3.2g2 and 120hz display. The Pros are clearly a better comparison.
That's not to say Apple's done good or anything, just a super expensive Android device vs the entry iPhone doesn't seem like the best comparison
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No one cares. Just use whatever phone you like. This post is extremely cringey.
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The OP cares very much, for some reason.
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not only OP, look at how many replies this has
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use whatever phone you like
wrong. Use a fairphone
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Yes, good recommendation for a phone with a chip that was underpowered at release. Good luck for the next 7 years (amount of time you'll get software updates on a flagship phone which costs as much as the fairphone and very rarely fails)
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Wow, to see an Xperia phone being used as an example instead of a bloody Samsung.
Good day to be an Xperia user.
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If they had used a Samsung, half the android's features would be missing.
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Xperia is in my opinion the only phone left worth buying. It has all the bells and whistles you expect from a flagship phone + a headphone jack, SD card slot and very good camera.
I love being able to manually do what ever I want in the camera app and having the camera button is just nice.
Had the Xperia Z3 back in the day after my beloved Sony Ericson Xperia Play died. Loved both phones. Switched to Samsung for a few years and are now back to Sony (Xperia 1 IV) since 2023. Words can't describe how happy I am being back. :D
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Someone should saw off the legs of the techbros that came up with the idea of removing the headphone jacks from phones. Just like the headphone jacks, legs are technologically "superseeded" by cars and electronic wheelchairs.
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I wouldn't mind if they replaced TRRS with a better connector. I get that the jack is a large part and it's difficult to seal against water ingress. The wiper contacts on it are also unreliable, and the plug doesn't release well when your cord snags.
Multiplexing headphones with my one and only charging port is absolutely the worst possible answer.
(Did i forget to mention that I want it to be an open connector? One that any vendor can make without Apple's permission?)
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I don’t remember the last time I needed/missed 3.5mm
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Meh, I haven't really missed it as much as I expected. The one and only (pretty minor in my case) issue I've run into is not being able to charge the phone while connected to the car's stereo. Though it wouldn't surprise me if you could just use a usb-c splitter to do that.
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Fair point, at least they should give us two USB-C ports, at least on the flagship models.
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I've literally never used the headphone jack on a phone in 10 years.
And I wonder how many would still want it back if they realized the phones then were bricked after getting submerged in water like they used to.-
Phones became waterproof before removing headphone jacks became a trend. You're talking nonsense.
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Headphone jacks can be waterproofed, manufacturers are just lazy.
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About 10 years ago I used headphones daily, now I do so just frequently enough that it's irritating to realize I need to purchase a dongle just to do so and go "well I guess I'm not listening to music/podcasts right now"
What I learned when working for a phone manufacturer is that the headphone jack usage varies by product segment. Cheaper phone users use the headphone jack far more frequently than premium phone users, so they'd keep it on the budget models but drop it on the higher end models. They also did similar with NFC and wireless charging which was interesting...
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I've literally never used the headphone jack on a phone in 10 years
We understood that as soon as you said "literally".
I've not used on*star, a fire extinguisher or a #2 pencil in a while either, but I bet they're important. Beware false consensus.
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I do. I don’t use wireless headphones, and the dongle sucks. And hate having earbuds with a proprietary jack I can’t use elsewhere. Plus I used my iPhone as a synth/drum machine and needed to charge and play at the same time.
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Most people don't care, don't use it and it saves cost and thickness. I think they are smarter than you on this.
You are not their target audience, they know there's not enough of you for it to make a difference.
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As a person who has worked in telecom for over 15 years.....shhhhhhhhh.......
You like android better? Cool. You like IOS better? Cool. They do essentially the same thing in different ways with different pros and cons. What works best for one person may not be for someone else.
In 2024 if you're arguing on the internet (or perhaps worse, in real life) about which phone is better you need to take a step back, take a deep breath, and take an assessment of your priorities.
Also, because I love downvotes apparently, this also applies to windows/linux/mac OS. Unless I'm on my Mac like "Gee I sure wish this was more open source, if only there was an alternative." I don't need you telling me to switch to linux bro.
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It's a relevant topic to talk about. You wrote so much yet said nothing except I don't like seeing people talk down to apple users. Which i agree with a little but people will talk about relevant things like smart phone choice whether you like it or not.
Also have you tried switching to linux?
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It was more the fact that someone took the time to make a meme about it. Like, go outside. Also, perhaps, I'm a tad jaded since I remember this exact type of thing only it was Blackberry/Android/iPhone/Windows. It was more relevant back in the day when there were marked differences between the all the different mobile OS, but now it's basically the same thing different ways.
Also yes, I have several Linux computers that I mostly use as they are older machines so I drop linux on them for various projects or just to make the computer run better for web browsing and other simple tasks. I also have a Mac for making art and music. I primarily use my windows PC because I mostly game and work (using Microsoft 365) on it and that's the easiest solution. I honestly don't understand why everybody feels the need to bring up linux constantly around here. If you like linux that's cool, if it's relevant to the conversation, that's cool. But if I'm on a windows related thread asking about a windows issue it is rather annoying for someone to jump in and be like "jUsT uSe LiNuX" every 3 seconds.
In summation, if people get to complain about how other phone sucks I get to complain about how people complain about other phone sucking is bothersome to me.
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What about the need to tell others how to and what to discuss in their free time with their social circle? Can I do that?
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- be me
- browsing lemmy
- see meme about how one phone bad other good
- get PTSD from having to hear about it for 15 years
- stupidly go into comments and read more people arguing about which phone good
- have flashback
- On the sales floor in 2010
- A grown man is telling me I need to pull an iPhone 4 from my ass and sell it to him or he'll burn my house down
- snap back to reality (moms spaghetti)
- comment saying everyone should just get over the whole phone thing
- People argue more and tell me I should let people discuss things
- flashback to when a grown woman cried and told me I ruined her life because they were out of the specific color of iPhone 5 she wanted while her boyfriend kept literally screaming at her that Android is better and she's an idiot for getting an iPhone anyway.
- make a stupid fake greentext comment to heal the pain
::rare pepe on the phone picture:::
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So do you whip out this copypasta anytime people try to have a fun discussion about something or?
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It is now my dream that this becomes a new copypasta. That would be neat.
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As "three dead trolls in a baggie" famously sung... "Every OS Sucks".
As true today as when it was first penned.
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Absolutely, well put!! It’s honestly sad in my eyes
I’ve given up especially when it comes to Linux vs Mac on the topic of open source. People will have such a violent reaction that they cannot possibly consider Apple as anything else but the literal antithesis of open source.
if you think Apple has a place in open source, you’d be right, but you’ll also get attacked for it because Apple bad.
Only a handful of months ago Apple released open source AI models that run on-device.
It’s so obvious over many years that Apple has always gotten their hands dirty in the open source world going back to even before the birth of OSX, both with use and contributions, yet this is stomped out by the notion of expensive and elitist Apple could never and would never actually bother contributing to open source codebases
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I'm glad someone, mostly, got my point. I'm not an Apple fanboy by any means. I'm a "use the right tool for the job you are trying to do" guy. For me, that means using a mac to make music and art, using linux on older machines and for specific purposes, and using windows to game and work. But by golly, people sure do get up in arms about it.
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I'm invested because higher adoption of my preferred platform causes prices of said platform to drop, making the platform economically attractive to develop for.
Fewer users causes less effort to go into the platform by larger corporations due to lower revenue streams, diminishing updates and feature count over time.
Eventually, users leave due to pain points not being addressed. Shrinking user bases causes independent developer talent to focus on other platforms since the economics no longer work in the marginal case.
The shrinking independent developer contributions to the ecosystem make the required effort to develop for it that much higher, since the tools and apps that would have been built weren't.
Higher development costs slow down feature pacing, due to the increased effort needed to substitute the efforts of missing ecosystem developers.
Lack of feature cadence drives users to other platforms, shrinking the user base, bringing us back to step 1.
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It used to be the same for Windows until microsoft recall. Putting windows in that category is now an outdated thing.
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Everyone I know in tech uses android. People that want capable handheld devices choose android. People that want a basic device that does what the company says and nothing else go Apple. Even I suggest Apple to old people and luddites, it protects itself from them. Oh, and people easily manipulated by social pressures (OMG I need the right colored text bubble!) will deeply overpay for a subpar device.
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See, this is what I'm talking about. Being so invested in the type of phone people have that calling people with a different phone "Luddites" seems a tad excessive.
It is literally the equivalent of an iPhone user being like "Only poor people have android phones."
Also, for what it's worth, I too work in tech and talk to probably hundreds of IT people monthly and the phone type split is pretty even. I only know because a lot of time we're doing security for their endpoints and we need to know device types for that. But see, much like your evidence, that's just anecdotal. Neither of us know anything.
And my goodness, do I hate the whole colored text bubble thing, from both sides. iMessage is convenient because it gives you all the pros of a third party texting app without having to use a third party app. You're correct that people get pretentious about it, and that's ridiculous, but what's easier? Convincing everyone you know to download signal or whatsapp or matrix or whatever or having that built into the text app. I mean, the whole thing is just a larger issue with SMS/MMS being garbage but still. Hopefully, with IOS 18 having RCS support, it will be less of an issue, but that remains to be seen.
Anyway, as I've clearly not demonstrated by consistently replying to randos on the internet, don't think about it. There are more important things to worry about in this world.
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That social pressure sure does a lot in the USA. In Austria for example iOS sits at 17.8% (July 2024) despite being a rich country.
Since none of Apple's native services are being used the only upside of Apple products is their out-of-the-box neatless communication (MacBook-iPhone) and not being able to do much (this is an upside for old people who want to have as little options as possible, like they did on their old flip telephones). Accordingly, iPhones are very popular among people who only ever use their phones for photos and communication, which is a small percentage (as the statistic shows).
Most people simply care for what their phone can do (screen, camera, battery life, speed, customisability, software availability, bang-for-buck), for the camera it's a tie (iPhones still win for videos, Android flagships win for photos) and in all other points Android wins, leading to its 70% market share.
Source for market share by OS: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/303829/umfrage/genutzte-mobile-betriebssysteme-in-oesterreich/
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I know people in tech who use iPhones. But they're definitely the exception.
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S24, Pixel 9, iPhone 16: 7 years of is support
Sony: 2 years
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Confirmed: my six year old iPhone gets the new version of iOS this month. Runs amazingly. Battery lasts all day still. No complaints.
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Kernel source code released so you can support it indefinitely yourself?
Only Sony.
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Google and Samsung do this too
But good luck maintaining the kernel by yourself.
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It's actually 4 years now. Still terrible for the price, of course.
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I would have shared the hell out of this meme on Facebook when I was ~18 years old.
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Why doesn't this post mention the price? It is an extremely important factor.
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Buddy if you think the entry iPhone is expensive you should take a look at the price of an Xperia flagship
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How does this belong in memes??? thete isn’t a single meme able thing in this image, it’s not funny or interesting either. It’s brain dead fanboy fullshit, as many in the comments have shown.
Lame as fuck
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Ah, but for only $200 more you can get USB 3.2, which is (…checks notes…) seven year old technology 😂 😭
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You mean like, with a cable? Eewwwww gross!
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This but unironically. Can’t remember one time when I needed or even thought about using a cable in my iPhone tenure.
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60 Hz in 2024 is crazy, aside from the fact that iPhones have been the same for the past 6 generations.
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60 Hz in 2024 is crazy, aside from the fact that iPhones have been the same for the past 6 generations.
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What are y’all doing on your phones that 60hz isn’t enough. For the power user I guess but your average user. Makes no difference
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I mean usage wise sure you still see the display either way. But high refresh rate is better for your eyes, especially when it’s a quality display with high PWM rate. There is a huge difference between an S24’s display and an iPhone 15’s. I can use the S24 without my eyes getting tired for hours, while my eyes get sore after viewing the iPhone for a while.
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Not to be an unfunny nitpicker (I don’t know why I’m denying this, that kinda the whole point), but all iphones do have lossless audio streaming via AirPlay. I’m assuming that you specifically meant Bluetooth streaming, but then you should’ve said so. Furthermore, normal aptx isn’t high resolution, only aptx HD and aptx adaptive are. The phone does support aptx HD as well, but once again, you could’ve said so from the start (though 3 characters more or less might make a significant difference to most memes, this one certainly wouldn’t have had that problem)
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The absence of aptx is baffling though, given that macOS has supported it for a decade. Same with LDAC, since the encoder does not require license fees to implement.
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The “physical capture button” sounds ominous.
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You throw your phone at someone like a pokeball and capture them.
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Well, that's not too far off from what certain groups of people think happens when you take a photo of them lol
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This is bait
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This looks like one of those PC/Console comparison memes from the early days of pcmasterrace. I like it!
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Comparing phones on specifications when both operating systems are different is kinda stupid. I guarantee most people don't care about refresh rates or data transfer speeds.
Also, not a meme.
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I don't really care about any of these things and I'm also fine being any number of years behind the current tech trends.
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Obviously. Who would want to pay less money for a better phone? That's absolutely ridiculous. In fact, why even get a new phone? We should all just be making yearly donations to apple for the privilege of keeping our old iPhones. God damn am I lucky to lick, suck, and deepthroat the boot. Feels so good.
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I'm about to drop a really dumb question in here:
Why do so many people dislike Apple? I have listed some of my problems with Apple (listed in no particular order):
- Keyboard layout
- I fundamentally disagree with FaceID and would prefer a fingerprint sensor
- Lack of customisation (you can't even hide the finder on MacOS)
- Apple makes it really difficult for people to leave their ecosystem
However, I really don't understand why people, ordinary people, dislike Apple, other than due to being overpriced. I mean I really think physical SIM cards are a thing of the past and less secure than eSIMs since you can't just take a physical SIM out using a pin. Although I heavily dislike the provisioning of USB 2.0 in 2024, the reality is that most of my files, even on my Android device, are transferred via networks. And yes, for the point about battery, I don't particularly care about the battery size as much as I do the battery life. Even then, I always have a charger in my bag. It also helps that I barely use my phone.
Once again, keep in mind this is from someone whose only Apple product is a Macbook.
I can understand hating on Apple as a company, I was furious at how long they took to throw USB-C on things, however, often times people provide arguments that are baseless, as are several "points" listed in this image.
Who cares about a physical capture button? Any professional required to use a camera for a living will not be using an iPhone. Who cares about physical SIM vs eSIM. Hell, I'm an advocate for eSIMs. Who cares about the unlockable bootloader? And really, with modern consumerism, who on earth is listening to hi-res wireless audio and not a song off of Spotify, YouTube, etc?
I agree with the 120 Hz point, there is no reason a flagship phone at a a flagship price should not provide a smooth refresh rate. I partially agree with the storage point, however, the vast majority of people do not take advantage of their phone's storage, so why would Apple be competitive here? They try to optimise for profit. I definitely agree with the point about the lack of modern USB. The lack of the 3.5mm headphone jack kinda sucks for everyone who owns devices that cannot be used with phones without this jack.
I'm opening to listening to other people's takes and discussing this with them.
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for me the point about being locked into an ecosystem is reason enough.
Some more on that:
- Apple has actively resisted efforts by the EU to standardize
- iPhone doesn't allow you to install apps they haven't approved.
- Apple devices often refuse to interface with non-apple devices despite being physically capable.
- You cannot easily install other OSes on Apple hardware.
- Apple software is almost entirely closed source, and they likely have backdoors everywhere.
I just want to own my phone man
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And let's not forget their anticompetitive practices
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who on earth is listening to hi-res wireless audio and not a song off of Spotify, YouTube, etc?
The decision not to include hi-res audio support out of the box is more baffling when you learn that Apple Music in its basic package offers high-quality lossless audio for streaming. Why have this, and make your users jump through extra hoops to take advantage of it?
To answer your overall question, I am one of the Apple dislikers and with me it comes down to openness and customizability (I like to tinker with my electronics and computing devices, and I can do that much better with an Android device), and not wanting most of my money that I spend for the product I'm buying to go to marketing.
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Sorry for the late reply.
I understand now why the decision not to include hi-res audio support out of the box is baffling. However, in your second comment you present customisability as a negative when in reality, it's more of a trade-off. The more options you present to a user the more complex the system you have to deal with.
Sure, I respect and agree with your opinion regarding openness, and agree with the fact that Apple's ecosystem is closed af. However, the point about customisability is a trade-off and imho a preference.
I've worked as a back-end developer (C++), so it's not that I don't know how to use technology or am afraid of learning or something along those lines. That said, there is a certain amount of elegance to simplicity and consistency, which I value.
And yes, I do currently use an Android device, which does have some custom gestures setup, custom icon packs, some applications which are not available via the Google Play Store. However, I really do believe that the point about customisation is a trade-off, and in my view "more customisation better" does not scale well; allow me to provide you with a simple example.
Suppose we could control every little detail regarding our device's software (non-malicious), almost as if we had the source code, I believe people would struggle to access generally easily-accessible settings (such as accessibility settings). Furthermore, these settings likely (but not necessarily) would not apply consistently, and the lack of implication from settings (but greater control), might mean that someone might need to reconfigure each application for accessibility features, or have to accept the idea that they cannot fine-tune different applications for their accessibility requirements.
Lastly, to your point about marketing, you have presented a very logical and reasonable point, yet one I consider almost invalid, since we should be observing this through the lens of a consumer. They could choose to sell their phones at a loss despite spending a lot on marketing. I'm not saying it's viable, but I'm saying it's possible. However, the point I'm trying to make is that this isn't relevant. We observe through the lens of a consumer. And so we look at the price we have to pay and judge the device's "features" or whatever you'd like to call them, objectively or relatively, based on this price.
In summary:
- Agreed with hi-res point
- Agreed with openness point
- Disagreed with customisability point
- Disagreed upon the $$$ on marketing, not my job to judge what they're spending on, I'm judging the end-product as a consumer
By the way, thought I'd clarify my stance on this, since I'm not an Apple fanboy, is that I prefer Apple to other tech giants (Google is an obvious choice for an example).
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There are more reasons than I have time to type out, but I am a long time mac and iDevice user. What's got me raging lately is how, out of spite over a (justified, imo) EU ruling, apple is refusing to let EU customers access the newest toys in the playground. I'm in the process of transferring over to Android right now, I just havent found the right phone for me, yet.
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who on earth is listening to hi-res wireless audio and not a song off of Spotify, YouTube, etc?
I generally agree with you but as someone who can't hear the compression in a good quality mp3 I can definitely hear when Bluetooth is using an older audio encoding protocol because it compresses the music to hell and back
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There are a few video on YT from reputable creators highlighting malpratices Apple does on a yearly basis to rip you off in every way imaginable. Louis Rossmann and Hugh Jeffreys have done some "compilation" videos on that topic. To point you to a quick one, search for "Astonishing Anti Repair Pratcices by Apple in the last 15 years" by Hugh. If you value yourself, don't buy Apple products.
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#4 is the reason I never bought into apple. Also, the users are a little cultish.
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For me it was the pure ridiculousness of trying to pass documents back and forth with one person in the group using a Mac. Maybe Apple is better about universal document file types these days but that was it for me. I was never going to contribute to an ecosystem that created that level of disruption.
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Pretty simple: Pretending to deliver the latest tech for a premium price. But the non-pro models simply don't have the latest tech, but they do have the premium price. And Apple practices upselling like no other (I mean, look at those storage upgrade prices).
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In my opinion apple doesn’t provide great value for the hardware and they’re lacking on the repair front. But when it comes to software, it’s so far and away better that I can’t justify staying on android. I mean forget about iMessage but go watch apples recent event and ask yourself how many of those features have parity on android. Very very few of them do. And androids watch OS is a joke and always has been.
Like yes the apple ecosystem sucks to be stuck in, but it’s also a strength if you embrace it. Nothing like those interactions between devices exist elsewhere. And the only other thing is configuration but it’s a minor pain point, not something I’d decide an OS on. It’s not that iPhone just works, it’s that it works at all. Many features on android aren’t widely supported and often get abandoned. Android just adds and adds more useless things every year without the refinement they need to focus on imo.
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no you got a point. i think your listed problems are the main problems you can have. with the hefty price and the "elite" vibe they sell in ads and so on, its really easy to hate. hateing apple feels like punching up.
and (most) android users dont realise that instead of beeing in apples eco system they are "trapped" in googles. I apprechiate apple for them not just blatently selling personal data, recorded from my phone. I also think in terms of polish there is no competiton. whoever used both, iphone and android phone, cant deny that ios is just far more polished. everything just works.
I personally dont like the apple proprietary ecosystem, but with no really good open source phone os, they are the best alternative on the marked atm. i dont know about laptops.
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Both of these are way too expensive for me.
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At least with android, you have a choice of phone that is more than older models.
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i hope i don’t end up with the -4000 mAh battery if i buy the phone
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If you had one you could sell it for millions to some thermodynamics denyers.
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Give me all the hate. But my iPhone has outlasted all of my friends on android. I’m still using the iPhone X.
Now people who upgrade their phones yearly are wild to me.
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Depends on the brand. You can't compare Android and Apple as you're comparing an OS against a brand. You can however compare Android against iOS, and Sony against Apple.
I use my android phones for many many years.
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Well, you have no reason to considering the innovations Apple provides are 3 years behind
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My note 9 from like 5 years ago still doing great. But I'm careful with it. I do think apple has sturdier construction.
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Been using my redmi note 9 pro for 5 years now. It's not even 20 dollars.
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Funnily enough, I've got a few friends who are long time iPhone users, who actually point this stuff out themselves:
"OMG! Have you seen the eye watering price of the new one?"
"Yay, I finally get stuff you've had for years."Neither party would ever consider anything else, and they both buy the new model every year. 🤷
At this point I admit that my reasons for choosing Android all those years ago no longer exist or matter, but I can't imagine changing ecosystem either.
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This misses the point completely, I have tried both Android and iOS in the last five years, and to me iOS is just better, it works like I want it to.
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The point is that Apple pushes out phones with outdated hardware at a premium price. That point is well illustrated here.
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What point?
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I switched to iOS a few years back because I tried it for a week when my Pixel died, maintained a pros/cons list, and decided iOS works better for me.
The most eye-opening part switching “sides” is how cringe these types of Android users are. Just use what works for you and enjoy life.
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Exactly, which is why I deleted the comment just after I made it as I realized I didn't have the energy to debate the issue
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I like the idea of Android stealing enough market share that Apple is forced to be more open.
The one that really blew my mind was the Find My network. Android tried to cooperate with Apple, and Apple stalled and dragged it out until Android gave up.
The effect was that Android got "Find My" about a year later than it would have otherwise, and the networks won't be compatible. But isn't Find My network compatibility relatively better for Apple? At worst there are places where Android and Apple devices split market share evenly. In most of the world, Android has the larger network/market share. Apple was willing to sacrifice that win to stall Android rolling out a major feature for a year.
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You're lucky because, if it didn't, you wouldn't be able to change a single thing.
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At least be accurate.
The “Pro” model iPhone has a lot of the features you are calling out the non-pro one for not having. Also no non-proprietary lossless audio streaming would be more accurate.
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How is the first point not accurate? Iphone 16 is still a phone that's gonna release in 2024.
Edit: Well I am wrong the sony phone is much costlier than the non pro version. I apologize.
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My ~230$ android phone has 120hz screen and very similar features. However, I had to turn the refresh rate back to 60 cuz it was chewing through battery. (5kma)
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IPhone is a overpriced shit^^
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Correction: the iPhone 16 does support physical SIM.
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Depends on locale, I believe. I think the US version is eSIM only.
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Oh damn, you're right.
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Wait, Sony's phones have unlockable bootloaders? If I'd known that, I would have bought one.
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I can't overstate how much I love that the Android phone used for example is one that I swapped for a newer phone just a couple of months ago
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Lol yeah
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No one in their right mind would buy a Sony phone.
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You have not even touched how limited iOS is compared to Android. I can list over 50 things any 2015 Android can do which iPhone 16 can't. You basically have no control over anything in iPhone while in any Android even without rooting you control what every app access and how it's allowed to work or at all. I was not even referring to customized OSes like graphene or calyos which give higher level of control.
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But you still sadly have google services everywhere, popping up here and there, reminding you that they have control over apps
No, I don’t want to login with google or rate the app
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Dont get up from Google only to jump on Apple's balls.
Also your point is not valid because degoogling is possible with androids, but you can't deapple an iphone. And btw many custom OSes dont require anything google no appstore or nothing. So what you're complaining about has been solved and already out there
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And how many of those 50 things actually matter? They’re things you want to do, not things the average user needs to do.
Simplicity is the main feature and has been a staple of Apple products for 35 years I’ve been using them. It means we don’t have to spend ages tweaking settings, we can get on with more productive stuff.
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Don’t worry, we won’t ask.
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Xperia 1 iii?
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That Sony retailed for $1300 when it launched
The iPhone goes for $800
The 13 Pro which released around the same time also had USB 3.2g2 and 120hz display. The Pros are clearly a better comparison.
That's not to say Apple's done good or anything, just a super expensive Android device vs the entry iPhone doesn't seem like the best comparison
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Except you have to contend with those fucking model names Sony uses. The Xperia 5 IV. The 1 V. The Pro I 5G.
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Ah yes. The ancient ios vs android debate.
They each have their use cases, and I can understand the justification for using either.
My specific threat model (similar to high profile journalist covering topics that expose wrongdoings in high positions of power) has me using iOS, where the cons of being locked in Apple’s walled garden don’t outweigh the benefits of having a robust, secure operating system right out of the box without much setup and maintenance (i.e. Lockdown Mode).
Other folks’ threat models have android on the winning side. It is highly personal, and making grand statements about one being better over the other is childish.
The only other option that I see as more viable is GrapheneOS on a Google Pixel, but I have yet to make the leap. Maybe soon.
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The USB transfer speed claim is misleading to say the least. The iPhone 15 was already capable of up to 10Gbps transfer speed (USB 3.0 support). You could quibble over the fact that the included cable didn't support that (if only the USB-IF could get its shit together), but to claim the hardware doesn't support it is a lie.
Also, non-US iPhones support both physical SIM and eSIM.
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TBH cable transfer on android can be pretty shit as well. Like, if you luck out with the MTP implementation on both your phone and your computer, then it Just Works (TM). But in many cases (like mine) it's a buggy mess. I used to have a script that would sync music from my laptop to my phone with rsync, and I would have to run it like three times to actually transfer everything, because each time like 10% of the files would just... not make it across the cable lol. Now I just do it over WIFI. I really wish we could go back to the old days when plugging in your phone would just expose the microsd card as a block storage device.
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adb works faster than mtp generally, but is frustrating in its own way.
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I have both, and the iOS integration of basic features is insane. Consider examples like… passwords; I’ll get a verification code in a text message or an email and it’ll auto populate and then delete the message. There are so many features like that, which make your phone a seamless part of the “ecosystem.” Android is the opposite. You need an app to do anything and it will require setup and it won’t work every time.
Convenience is what matters. Bootloaders and codecs are not as important as whether my earbuds connect instantly and 100% of the time. A phone should make my life simpler. Etc.
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whether my earbuds connect instantly and 100% of the time
My airpods connect flawlessly with my android device and so do all my other Bluetooth devices
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That’s not my experience but congrats
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Yeah, it's easies and will make your life simpler as long as you want to do something the producer contemplated. As soon as you need a feature that is a little bit more peculiar, good luck with that.
And with this i don't mean that Android is perfect, just that an even more closed ecosystem isn't exactely the best choice.
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You’re not wrong. I just think phones do too much as it is. I have like 5 computers, and I don’t need my phone to do everything. But what it does it has to do perfectly.
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OP must be a 12 year old
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user replaceable battery?
I'm no apple fan, but some of these features don't really mean much, like the screen refresh rate, data transfer rate, or codec support. Pretty small subset of users are going to care about these, the vast majority of people just browse, play simple games, and maybe run a map or spotify or whatever.
That said, the 16 is built to use Apple's AI, and that's pretty much reason enough for me to not want to go anywhere near it. I'll buy an older model before I support this AI crap.
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It would be fine to have released a phone that is spec'ed for a basic user case. My problem is the expert user level price point for it. Disregarding all other gripes about Apple, that is.
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My brother got a Sony phone, he had to stop using it within the week given how cheap and laggy it was.
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What did he do to it?
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Nothing, he had an iPhone before, tried the Sony phone, could not believe how laggy and buggy using it was, went back to an iPhone in less than a week.
Some people just don’t enjoy the experience of Android, I tried, really, really tried but also couldn’t (had one for 3 years).
And I’m sure people would disagree.
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Android is so trash meme all you want
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Apple was right to get rid of the 3.5 mm jack. Come at me.
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How so?
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Cause I don’t need one 🤪
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They forgot to put a balanced output jack in place of it.
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Android users won't be able to reply.
Third party launchers randomly freeze for no reason.
Lemmy app crashed due to unknown reasons, but suspected due to battery manager failure.
Notification of your post never showed up anyway due to Android hosing notifications with Doze, which everyone thought Doze was done for, but really it was just buried deeper into the OS.
And then Google decided to A-B test all Lemmy users, so that the Lemmy app opens random songs in YouTube Music instead.
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Hey, do you mind telling me where I can sign up for the apple shilling program? What are the rates like? Approximately how many shill posts do you make a day? Is it necessary to make lots of different alt accounts, or can I just shill from my main?
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Wut.
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