Trump said to lift all military restrictions on Israel on 1st day in office according to reports

They think they get to wipe their hands of it because they "didn't participate", refusing to concede that said choice still counts as their participation. Through ignorance, cruelty, and/or privilege, they'll blame everyone else for the state of the world while refusing to do their part.

I loved having people arguing with me and saying “At least my conscience is clear.”

How’s your conscience now??? Still feeling good about your decision?

There is a certain set of dumbasses that will say this kind of thing no matter what.

Feeling very good about my decision, yes.

Dirtier than Trump supporters

How’s your conscience now??? Still feeling good about your decision?

Yes.

Trump is an irredeemably evil genocidal psychopath who deserves eternal torture in the deepest circle of hell. That fact does not make me wish that I had voted for a different irredeemably evil genocidal psychopath who deserves eternal torture in the deepest circle of hell. The fact that Trump is horrible was never in dispute.

Almost 100,000 in Michigan alone likely flipped the swing state.

https://theconversation.com/voters-in-arab-american-strongholds-likely-tipped-michigan-in-trumps-favor-242854

They would have been enough to secure the swing states and win Harris the electorial college. Her campaign would have need to promote more progressive policies that addresses the material needs of Americans, instead of running to the right on issues, in order to also pick up the popular vote.

Stop blaming the American people

100% It's entirely on the campaign to secure votes. That's the entire job of the campaign. Blaming voters is an easy scapegoat that accomplishes nothing. And when it's blaming marginalized groups, it seems like it's only promoting hate against the people most vulnerable to the violence of fascism

Can you also make a graph on how many luxury hotels Trump is going to build in Gaza after the rubble is cleared, thanks 👍

Thank you for voicing this opinion in this thread, and bringing the receipts.

A Gaza ceasefire would be impossible without Netanyahu agreeing to it. So that 6% swing's based on a hypothetical that'd never happen, especially when Netanyahu was doing everything he could to help Trump. And, if Trump were the candidate of peace, why would that butcher do that?

Your take is absolutely idiotic.

Yeah, no.

After months of alleged "Genocide Joe" bullshit, they don't get to shirk themselves of this.

They were told this was going to happen. They didn't want to listen.

No. That's not a thing.

Fucking Russians. Fixed it for you.

"BlUe MaGa"

The entire unhinged right wing has been declaring them UnPersons for decades. I remember in the 90s, possibly earlier, hearing wingers saying "Palestine is not even a country, it was made up by the libs/Muslims, using the term 'Palestinian' is talking nonsense", and so on.

Given the stark difference in how Dems resoonded to the plight of Ukrainians vs. Palestinians, it's clear that this is also the tacit Dem position and what upsets their voters is for it to be explicitly acknowledged.

We are not the ones complicit in this genocide. That is, in fact, those supporting the people committing genocide.

One mention of Harris to say she's not taking over for Biden

based on them trying to feel better about voting for genocide and losing. they got the worst of both worlds instead of doing the right thing and gathering support for a better party

Whatever you need to tell yourself to get through the night, buddy.

Yes, I hope you can take this time to internalize a lesson: you should not support genocide or genociders.

Sorry, what exactly is the lesson to be learned from this election, in which the candidate who more vocally supports the genocide won? As in, showing more support for the genociding party and demonstratively siding in all points with the genociders with not even rhetorical pushback, just pure endorsement of the genocide? Which lesson will analysing this election yield again?

Those are the things you've gone to bat for, that is the realized vision of the Biden-Harris regime.

There's a difference between making the best of a bad situation and going to bat for it. Your choices were someone who there is a chance of reigning in Israel or someone that told them to do whatever they want with weapons we send. The latter is obviously a bad choice unless you agree with Israel.

You should default to assuming anything Fox says is untrue without a second source to verify. Because legally they can just say whatever they want and aren't beholden to any type of journalistic standards because they aren't news.

They have no more credibility than a random social media user.

Great going with seeing the point yet completely missing it

Trump will dismantle this country and the Christians will cheer it on as society circles the drain

These idiots should be disqualified for holding office, since at least some of them, and/or the people they represent, simply don't think this world matters, but only their fictional eschatology.

It's bananas when you actually talk to some of them. Weirdly, though, some of them are still preppers. Wait, I thought you will be one of the blessed chosen ones in the end times? WTF are they stockpiling MREs and thinking they'll be hunting for deer with a bow and arrow or some shit....none of their plans - if you can call them that - make any fucking sense, but they want to rule so that they can drag more advanced people, cultures, and societies down with them into their lunacy and their absolute literal hellscape.

The Rapture happened, three Quakers, a Unitarian and a radical Catholic nun disappeared mysteriously, otherwise business as usual.

Let's be discerning: there was the potential for a better path out of this

Harris, of the Biden-Harris regime that has been the necessary backer of this genocide for 13 months, did nothing different from Biden rhetorically and was an empty suit candidate that holds the party line. A party whose reoresentatives almost unanimously provide the material support needed for this genocide despite 70-80% of their constituents opposing it.

The "better path" you are referring to is literally unconditional support for genocide. I slmost said you were describing the better path, but you didn't actually describe what it looks like. Presumably, you cannot.

but people decided on the definitely-worst-case-for-everything option on this binary choice, to ensure everyone suffers as much as possible in every situation, most assuredly during the belligerent invasion by Israel.

Who provided you with these choices? Have you considered looking at politics as more than just which monster to press a button for?

It was explained over and over; you need more time?

There was a peeiod, maybe two months, when I could barely get Harris supporters to even say the word genocide. What do you think you are explaining?

Harris just needed to stop the shipments to win the election and she wouldnt do it. She had a billion dollars of pollster and consultant data to tell her this. But its everyone elses fault she lost?

I'm not happy about it either.

The Zionist entity, generally speakinf, does not use gas. They use large scake bombing campaigns and white phosphorus. This has already been happening for 13 months, if you weren't aware.

Everyone in north Gaza will be dead or deported before new years. That will be complete before Trump even takes office. How can you still pretend Biden is somehow better when the outcome is the same?

They quite literally do not think Palestinians are people. Nothing else could explain their blood soaked entitlement. Nor how unapologetic they are.

But that was before the election.

Now you know they're literally the same as the nazis on the other side by how fucking gleeful they are to watch the bodies stack with an ignorant "I told you so"

They're exactly the people we said they were. Let's see how many learn from us saying so and being right.

I am happy that Democratic voters did not learn that they can support genocide and still win elections.

Unlike every other time we've supported the ongoing Israeli genocide and still won elections.

Good thing the anti-genocide party w-

Oh, what's that?

The message sent is actually "More genocide is a winning position to the electorate"?

Huh. Almost like this was a stupid idea from the start by privileged types who won't suffer the consequences of their actions.

You didnt vote democrat this election you are responsible for never again getting the chance to elect a candidate that will stop Israel or make anything better.

shit is horrible now

If you don't think it can get worse, you're a fool.

It's gratifying to know you don't mind recognition for being literally too stupid to vote.

Biden put pressure on Israel several times and achieved temporary ceasefires and more humanitarian aid. Rafah would have been stormed months earlier without US intervention.

Haha! So bad was so bad that picking worse was better? Good going there!

Usually abstinence prevents idiots from entering the gene pool; this time it may help get rid of some if Trump gets his way. Great work!

The headline is wrong but still congrats to you morons for enabling Trump. He is clearly a friend of the Palestinians and not Bibi's buddy.

Democrats should never have supported genocide. Am I a Russian?

I wonder if any of you are ever going to realize you're just doing reskinned Protocols of the Elders of Zion antisemitism with this

Hear hear.

People ignore that Biden’s policy was simply indefensible. He fought his own party, he fought his advisors and the media and he STILL lost the election. There’s no longer a need to carry water for him.

No, it doesn’t apply at all.

The point of the anti-Dem posts was to get people to not vote Dem when objectively allowing a trump win was worse.

You’re suggesting actively supporting worse is better.

That’s fucked up.

To answer your question: It does not still apply.

what is that website? new to lemmy.

Who was embracing genocide? At least here most people are pro Palestine

But you're ok embracing Trump genocide?

I don't understand the downvotes.

you've got .ml and others, that's where all the "dissidents" hang out. Must be hard to be a dissident when everyone agrees with you.

True, anything vaguely pro Israel gets deleted and banned.

Yes. Now fuck off.

There were two ways to vote for Trump. 1) Mark Trump on your ballot and turn it in, or 2) Not vote for Harris, not turn in a ballot at all.

Quit being coy, just take a bow and acknowledge your victory. You stood strong against genocide, and helped elect the only candidate who can't be reasoned with and whose stated political policy was to SPEED UP THE GENOCIDE. Congrats! If you thought their blood wasn't on your hands before, it absolutely is now.

Genocide Joe has been an established term for months.

It's exactly this.

Trump promised easy solutions to the problems caused by the right, and by corporate oligarchs. They went along with it, and voted for him. They're now in for a wild ride.

Biden's response to the price gouging was a super bowl ad in which he asked those who were engaging in shrinkflation to cut it out.

it was all about the eggs.

It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to claim he isn't to blame.

Oh my, my type? Goodness, you know, I didn't see your type either now that I think about it! When I went to protests and meetings in my community, I'm afraid I didn't see you there, I only saw people who we trying to actually help people, you know, the ones that knew they were between and rock and a hard place, but actually tried to not hand the government over to a blood thirsty racist, while making sure the community was informed in what steps to take should he win and are now continuing to rally and make their voices heard instead of "not VoTiNg fOr GeNoCiDe" which, you know, kind of got us here.

But perhaps it's scary to stand for a belief off of the internet, but I'm unfamiliar with the feeling because my mom didn't raise a bitch.

Don't worry, we'll handle it, sport. You just stay safe inside, okay? ♥️

This type of person doesn’t give a fuck about actual Palestinians. It’s just a way to make themselves seem virtuos and ideologically pure.

That they did. I'm sure Netanyahu is grateful.

Lmao I would absolutely square up against a fascist. Don't threaten me with a good time. See, I'm an adult. I understand the work doesn't stop at the vote, but I know how important it is to do what I can, even if it's small. And I know that giving the government the equivalent of a cold shoulder allows shit to happen. Evil happens when good people do nothing, and, unlike you I guess, I refuse to do nothing. I'm involved in my local government and plan to keep working. I'd say you should do the same, but I think we both know that ain't happening. But I hope you feel good doing nothing but bad mouthing those braver than you on the internet. Just down vote me and be on your way. 💅🏾

It is possible for two things to be true at the same time. Sure Kamala might have lost for the reasons you suggest. And it can also be true that another group is about to Find Out what Trump is going to do. Just the last few days alone are giving a lot of evidence that the Palestinian people are not going to be better off with Trump in office.

As for it not being strategic, well, that depends if you think the strategy was ONLY to win the election as opposed to trying to do what he thought best in a horrific and complex situation; and ONLY if you think there was an alternative course of action that would have actually won the election.

I'm not sure why folks are only hearing, or responding to, the coulda/woulda/shoulda side of the conversation. A side for which I haven't really disagreed with in spirit, namely yes Biden/Harris surely knew there were electoral consequences to their actions, among other much sadder consequences, but you continue to ignore the actual topic of conversation ... What the future holds.

Okay I can take a guess why [shrug] but such is life. Feel free to have one more reply, I'm done beating a dead leopard.

Not going to debate what Biden (since as VP Harris has no actual power to do anything) has done or not done nor your opinions of what he's done or not done. I do take issue that you think he doesn't care, at a human level I just don't think that's true. What he's done to express that humanity given geopolitical realities is the real issue.

But anyone who actually thinks Trump cares at all about innocent life, or anyone's life but his own, or cares about the legacy he leaves behind may find themselves rethinking that opinion in the coming year.

Now that the election is over, I truly do hope something good gets done. We of course won't know what Harris could have accomplished, but we'll certainly know if Trump tries and if he succeeds. Keeping fingers crossed.

ETA: I'll just drop this here https://www.reuters.com/world/us/muslims-who-voted-trump-upset-by-his-pro-israel-cabinet-picks-2024-11-15/

The outrage is so selective. Democrats kill peanut, infringing on some guys right to have wild animals but you don’t hear a peep about the GOP sheriff who arrested a lady because her kid walked to the store. She is facing a year in prison.

Perhaps, but Iran has oil and a closer relationship with Russia.

Implying that answers any questions?

What restrictions?

I don't think surph_ninja was implying support in their comment, more just that the Biden Admin's restrictions are sadly near nonexistant to begin with...

You're not a very intelligent person are you?

Having a hissy fit in public is not the greatest look, my friend.