Trump confirms plan to declare national emergency, use military for mass deportations

With conservatives every accusation is just projection

Damn. I feel you. I wrote mine a cease and desist and moved 700mi.

Operation Jade Helm

I don't remember that actually. I'm not saying he didn't say those things. I'm just saying that I never listened to a word that mouth breather said.

I remember that. He would usually say martial law. I think national emergencies are different and invoked more often by both Dems and GOP. Could be wrong

I know that feel. Worst part is that probably will happen to us

Being from austin and listening to him on the radio way back while driving occasionally yea I member

I guess if it was just illegal immigrants then it wouldn't be Americans, so it wouldn't be what they feared. But very close.

It's kind of wild to me how many really small towns there are in the US. About 32% of towns in the U.S. have less than 500 residents.

For comparison, here in Brazil I lived most of my life in a town with ~35K residents and it was already considered a small rural town. Some of my family lives in a neighboring town with ~11K residents, and even in my hometown people joke about how small it is, and that there's basically nothing going on there. 1288 of towns in Brazil have less than 5K residents, or about 23.1%, and there are no towns with less than 500 residents. Meanwhile in the US 76% of towns have less than 5K residents.

Again, it's just kind of wild to me. I remember playing (reading?) the Echo VN and thinking "Man, a dying town with only 50 people? That doesn't sound realistic," but apparently that's way more common than I thought.

Funny thing is that even the immigrants are smart enough to know the shouldn’t settle in these places because they’re going down the toilet. But the locals? We’re being ignored! Save our useless town with no economic prospects, no educated workforce, and no infrastructure to support anything worthwhile! No, of course we won’t move!. ..while they proceed to vote against any social policy that might help them or their future generations out of their trap.

Don't worry. This isn't the only Trump plan that will tank the economy. I just wish the rest of us didn't have to suffer because of all those idiots not paying attention.

The east coast is densely populated. California and large areas of the west coast is densely populated.

But Ohio to the Rockies? Uhhhh......there's corn. We got corn. Do you like corn?

Yeah. There's a reason nobody can name anything in Nebraska. Nobodys ever been there. Not even sure they have corn there.

Yeah but they don’t want those people. Now who are those people they don’t want? Brown people, black people, queer people, woke people, educated people, different people…

Do the immigrants actually settle there?

For whom? The people being deported? Or for the overall effectiveness of the plan?

Lebensraum.

It doesn't need to be a real problem, for them to make it one.

The immigrant work force will still be there, they'll just be put in camps and forced to work for nothing, while white working class people are sold the idea of "claiming back" "their" land, while the capitalists take it all over in their name (and never share any of the profits or benefits, of course, with a new scapegoat as for why as they need it).

Strictly speaking of productivity without justifying Trump's plan in any way - labor shortage increases productivity. Cheap labor decreases productivity. Expensive labor forces capitalists to invest in new equipment and training to be able to produce the same output with fewer labor hours. Simple example - fastening the same number of bolts using manual screwdrivers in more hands vs electric screwdrivers in fewer hands.

Outside of that, removing a significant portion of the population at any one time would be significantly disruptive in many regards.

This is step one to collapsing Social Security and Medicare.

Knee cap all the funding from folks who never collect on it, then say, see? It’s collapsing earlier than we thought.

If you lived in the 80's, you know where you're going with this.

Prisons. Good old indentured servitude.

Get ready for more jaywalking arrests.

The funny part is that that is still likely less that a bus load of billionairs actually paying their taxes like the rest of us do.

Obviously the answer is to tax billionaires, but that's never going to happen.

Kids that aren’t even born yet (debt spending).

Exactly. I lot of people on here thinking "they won't deport immigrants, they need the cheap labour lol"

They're planning on using you as the cheap labour...

A lot of Americans don't feel this is authoritarian and actually welcome it. They would love to have Trump as president for life.

If any of us actually find ourselves in that situation, it would be unwise to post about it on the internet, even if someone is calling you a phoney.

Every post we make here is getting recorded by the NSA.

When again are americans using their right to bear arms to protect themselves against an authoritarian government?

Our arms don't exactly match theirs. The military has a lot more budget than citizens.

If we go by the text, only "americans" have that right. Now, the important question is "what is an american"? What characterizes a "non-american" according to the founding fathers?

https://youtu.be/9If_IEAMitQ?si=juIIHPgpAVU4odCU

This feels eerily like what Hitler started doing with Jews.

We tried to tell folks, but "Haris supports genocide!" won.

The NAZIs made Germany a slave labor nation-state.

That is what is happening here.

It's a pretext. And can expand to anyone the state doesn't want around.

Deportation doesn't have to be immediate, you could end up in a cage indefinitely.

Portland Oregon was a sneak preview of what Trump will do (Sending federal resources where they are explicitly not wanted, and kidnapping citizens)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/us/politics/denaturalization-immigrants-justice-department.html

Looks like they're gonna strip citizenship from "terrorists, war criminals, sex offenders and other fraudsters who illegally obtained naturalization"

Whatever "fraudsters" means... Made a mistake on the citizen application? FRAUDSTER! DEPORTED! Do all of your documents have exactly the same name, middle name, and spelling? No?? IDENTITY THIEF! DEPORTED!

Well there's this handy color wheel...

The incoming Trump administration doesn't even know who they are planning to deport. The criteria right now could be literally anything from "these specific known individuals who are illegal aliens and also criminals" to "anyone Trump or ICE doesn't like, including legal citizens who are political dissidents".

If there was ever a time to own a gun in America, now is that time. Protect yourselves, people. The no-knock raids are just around the corner.

They start with a convenient group (immigrants, legal or not), and will proceed from there. Ask your history teacher about what happened in Germany after 1933, just replace the Jews with PoCs.

I would've rather had it not be a dystopia, but silver lining and all that.

The dems are the wimpy kids who internalized being nice to their bullies will somehow earn them respect and show they are the better people. In reality their abusers only hold them in even more contempt and spit at them at every turn.

You can always quit meat! The "middlemen" eat more vegetation than you would directly.

The whole toilet seat thing is as misunderstood. If the Air force needs a new toilet seat for one of it's jets, and that jet isn't in production anymore, and you can't just go to homedepot for aircraft parts, then you have to order a bespoke seat.

Now setting up the tooling for an injection molded plastic seat, only to produce a limited run, maybe in the dozens, $10,000 per seat is a reasonable price.

I'm sure the Pentagon buys toilet seats at the regular price. The interesting thing about Pentagon bathrooms is that it has double the number it needs because of segregation.

Wait till you see how much Boeing charges for soap dispensers

$30k, about 50% more than hammers

tho that's in 1996 dollars

He’s already won the election. He doesn’t have to keep posturing like this.

That was never his end goal, and you're naive to think otherwise.

As for the rest, you're missing a key step - to get them all "deported", first they need to be rounded up, and put in camps (we already past this point a while back), and then since they're already in camps, they might as well be put to work. For free (another point we've past). When they start dying off in big enough numbers for it to affect production, there will be another group marked for "deportation" and rounded up for their turn.

This isn't fascism's first fucking rodeo, and it isn't only now getting started, it has been in motion for a good while now.

if it doesn't make sense, change your perspective.

why would a leader with strong ties to one of the nations strongest enemies want to damage or destroy the economy and the will of the people?

🤔

Actually serves pretty well if one's goal were to further destabilise things. People have already been convinced that illegal immigrants are to blame for all economic problems (even though it is easier to prove the extreme opposite through a cursory search on the internet), maybe if the downward slope is gentle enough, people won't start doubting the efficacy of the initially applied solution. Maybe the point was to get them to the next level, get them angry at something else after everything is done with the false problem.

I just don't see Trump actually wanting what's his version of "best" for the country. I think he's on a power play, and the country's just the kindling.

Maybe I'm talking complete nonsense, but this feels like a... logical escalation. To what, I cannot fathom, although we've seen similar movements preclude Totalitarian/Authoritarian regime solidification periods before, where the desperate masses clung to the wrong solution.

Later one. For sure.

He's not going to deport what can easily be made into slave labor and he's not going to need a third term if he even makes it all the way through his second without croaking, being 25th'd out by his own people or some nice defenestration. The point is to make sure Republicans/Russia never again leave office, not that Trump doesn't.

They have been doing that for years against the 'wokes' all the while publishing books that they claim the wokes want to burn when they never did. In their minds anything other than unmitigated cheerleading and throwing support is tantamount to a book burning.

where are those loud mouthed lefties

my blocked list

"Well, what have you to say now, strawman I've been ranting about for the entire election cycle? Isn't it odd that person I made up in my head to he mad at suddenly has nothing to say?"

......what? Did anyone ever say that Harris and trump were the same? I'm not sure I ever heard that.....

Nah, that's finished no matter what. No one needs to cry uncle, and this chaos was always the plan.

Winter is coming.

War?

I for one am a bit interested with what happens when they target natives?

Somewhere between fourth and seventh myself. Unless you've got citizenship somewhere else why? Statelessness is not something to aspire to.

I'd say that the Overton Window is certainly weaponized by the right-wing.

Careful don’t trigger the libs!

I would be honestly less concerned if I thought the administration would be successful in deporting people. I think you're relying heavily on "due process" here, when the reality is they can just accuse you of a crime, deny you bail, and then hold you pretty much indefinitely. You let the ones who can get lawyers out and you've pretty effectively filtered the population for wealth.

The Nazi death camps started as temporary internment camps with the intent to deport Jews eventually.

Then they just ended up with a whole bunch of people in camps with nowhere to send them and were like, "well, we might as well get some work out of some and kill the rest" and it sort of escalated from there.

Which with their "camps for the mentally ill, homeless, and drug addicted" and "deportation emergency" sounds alarmingly similar.

I think we should be focusing on fighting the people in power, while keeping a very close eye on the neighbor down the street who wears the red hat.