Conservative parent is sad his daughters aren't coming for thanksgiving after voting for Trump

I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about. You're related to a couple who have a son who went no contact, but it had nothing to do with politics or abuse? I'm not sure how that maps onto this situation.

I know some people who have gone no contact due to manipulative dynamics, though the parents refuse to acknowledge they've ever done anything wrong. E.g. financial manipulation, or refusing to use their child's preferred pronouns. I feel like if the parents apologized, acknowledged the problem, and made a commitment to change it would make everyone happier. Not sure how that applies to your story, but that's been my experience.

Everyone else:

Everyone else:

I don't know why my memory of hot dogs on an open fire and smores doesn't appeal to you. We're different.

Your explanation is accurate, but your undercutting the importance of the statement. If you don't have the power, then you don't "let people" do anything.

Which is to say, he was contemplating being a giant a****** and pressuring them to vote the way he wanted, but he decided to use common sense, to not be a jerk, and now he's asking for a prize for doing what most of us do all the time everyday.

This doesn't make him a horrible human being, but it certainly doesn't make him a good one. In his mind, special rules apply only to him.

can either be allowing it or simply not disallowing it

Exactly.

When I go take a shit, did you allow it, or not disallow it? Neither, because you have no agency over me, so it'd be a stupid fucking sentence.

I'm not saying he thinks he owns his daughters like some 16th century inbred minor noble.

But connotations and implications can exist even when they weren't particularly intentional by the writer (or speaker.)

And I think Democratic policies are hurting people. Like all the drug overdoses, and the military deaths, and the women being stoned to death in Afghanistan. Mismanaging the world causes lots of death, and could cause the death of all of us.

But I can’t change any of that by being mad at my parents, even if they’re connected to it by their votes.

Life’s too short to hate the people I love.

I'm not that poster, but if you want a policy that Republicans have endorsed that's not explicitly hateful, please consider tax cuts for the rich. Yes, the net effect is bad, but the stated motivation and I think the honest motivation is not one of malice towards the poor.

It is true that down the road Republicans will complain about the budget, so they will use their tax cuts for the rich as an excuse to try to cut benefits for the poor, but it doesn't mean that when they cut taxes now it's intentionally malicious. Many of them are just trying to get more money or give more money to their friends.

What do you consider to be the original meaning?

I'd call Trump voters Trump voters. I'm not sure I understand the question.

Touché

It's kinda sad that we ended up in this political division. It's also sad that increasing hate and and anxiety (and missing education and reasoning) fuels this dumpfire of societal development. That doesn't really increase hope in the future, as stuff like climate change further accelerates this...

The name of that socialist? Albert Einstein.

And everyone clapped.

Yeah, that definitely sounds like a real conversation.

Words like psychopath have a common usage for people not in psychology/psychiatry. I'm sorry that we're not meeting the clinical definition that you want, but I don't think ranting about it all over Lemmy is going to help anything.

When the average nonspecialist individual thinks "psychopath" they think of someone like Hannibal Lecter, who is dangerous and must be locked up to prevent them harming others, and that's not going to change from a short form text post. It would take a semester of psychology.

You aren't the voice of reason you think you are.

I guarantee the same exact shit was happening in the 1930s. People being disgusted that their family members would side with fascism and turn on mentally ill, Jewish, and gays.

Would you say the same thing about Germans turning on their family? Both leaders fought for turning their country into a fascist dictatorship best strips liberties from certain people only

It’s fucking stupid to turn your back on your family over politics.

I think my mom made a stupid decision. Oh well. She thinks I made a stupid decision.

If your politics define you so much that you abandon your people or you’re not disciplined enough to keep your mouth shut at family events where you’ll convince no one, that’s on you.

Yes. It is fucking stupid.

But you know what's worse? Supporting a political party over your daughters, who are facing the very real possibility they will have to die simply because of a miscarriage, or no longer having the right to vote. That they will be forced to carry the baby of their rapist. that their daughters may no be entitled to an education- even the shitty ones now provided- the same way they were.

Facing those threats... because you voted for that political party.

They're not staying away, or "turning their back" on family because of politics. They're doing so because his politics objectively suck and absolutely will bring harm to them and millions like them. (that is. women. Not to mention racial minorities, immigrants, anyone whose different from the white, cisgendered, conservative male arch type.)

It’s fucking stupid to turn your back on your family over politics.

Right? Which is why the person in the original post shouldn't have voted for the guy that wants to take away the rights of his daughters. By voting for Trump, he chose politics over family, not his daughters.

Unfortunately, my continued existence is labeled as "politics" so no, someone who voted against my rights to exist is not my family anymore.

You know what we call Germans who disagreed with Hitler on some issues and yet still supported him?

Nazis.

Nobody cares, or will ever remember anything other than that.

One of my family members voted against my wife's freedoms, he's not family us anymore.

It’s fucking stupid to turn your back on your family over politics

It's really not. Politics determine your opinions and intentions regarding human rights and its violations. If my dad votes for Robodolf Mechahitler, he's not my dad anymore. Someone voting for Trump would likely betray their own daughter when Gilead rises. If they wouldn't, their vote is a contradiction to their character. I wouldn't take something like this lightly.

It's absolutely not stupid to turn your back on family because of politics.

It's not a sports team, it's conscious decisions that affect the law and how we are governed.

Yes it is that hard. If you consider the real effects that politics has on people's lives, the direct negative consequences of laws and policies that make their lives worse, and then you ask us to ignore those and stop talking about them, maybe we'll be able to do it if we are not the direct victims. But as soon as you are the direct victim, of course you're going to speak out on it.

Here's a very simple example. One of my relatives uses a wheelchair or a walker, and they have a vehicle with handicap tags that they use to get around. The problem is, one problem is, that many polling places don't have the legally required handicap parking available. So my relative has extreme difficulty voting. That's a political problem, a political issue, that disenfranchises my relative. Should they be able to discuss it with the family? I sure hope so. But is it politically charged? Of course it is.

What you're asking, what you're expecting, is that every single victim has to shut the f****** about the bad s*** they're dealing with, just because it's connected to the government.

And look, I picked one of the mildest examples you could possibly think of. After all, my relative might be able to vote absentee, depending on the rules in their state. But there are so many more examples that are absolutely tragic, that involve lives being totally ruined. And you think those should be off limits.

Drag wishes there were fewer people in the world willing to set aside politics for family. People like that are destroying the world.

The screen sings its song of doom for you. But not for your benefit. Balance that against a lifetime of parental love.

Why is the screen heavier? High technology of course.

I imagine you having a daily task of opening Lemmy, looking at your username, cracking your knuckles and then just going ham on being as shitty of a person as possible.

It doesn't matter if you're a troll or not, it's equally as bad either way.

You're so cringe I already have you tagged from another comment you made lmao

Right

Yeah, yeah you are.

What?

“It’s not because you voted for Trump. It’s because you’re the kind of person who would vote for Trump.”

Do we have the same dad?

Edit: Actually we cant be related, because this describes both parents, my little brother, and all my aunts/uncles/cousins, and grandparents and you said "One person".

While true the level of obnoxiousness when having to be around them for a bit certainly gets a lot worse with the "entire personality" type.

What party in the US wants to restrict access to meat?

I realize your point is that Russia is trying to find any wedge issue they can to cause infighting, but that was a frustrating example.

A lot of Trump supporters are voting to cause direct harm to marginalized groups, and have made it a part of their daily identity. "If I caught a man using the same bathroom as my daughter, I'd fuck him up." (real quote from someone I know)

A vegan voting to get rid of meat subsidies simply doesn't want to pay for your meat. Or voting for animal rights isn't voting to cause you direct harm like blocking crucial medical care. Also, most vegans usually keep to themselves. The only reason it seems like they tell everyone is how often they are asked, "wait, are you vegetarian?" every time they dare to order tofu/veggies instead of meat.

Source: I'm not even vegan or vegetarian, but have probably been asked a hundred times. I can only imagine how often a vegan is asked that question.

Uh...who's voting to restrict access to meat again? What rights are "the other side" trying to restrict?

It works on the other side too - e.g. “I’m vegan btw, and voting to restrict access to your ability to eat meat”.

Who's doing this?

The difference seems to be that there was no incentive for Putin to set vegans vs. meat eaters against one another,

Oh, you sweet summer child.

because someone's political opinion doesn't (usually) define who they are or even affect the rest of your family in any way.

this is like kicking your son out because they put pineapple on their pizza.

I’m torn on that tbh.

Hurt doesn’t heal hurt but on the other hand is rewarding disgusting behavior the way forward?

The family members who supported turning half of us into subhuman citizens don’t deserve business as usual.

History doesn’t care why germans voted in hitler in the 1930s, be it economic anxiety or hate for minorities, they’re just nazis.

Bless his heart.

That was the word I was thinking of but couldn't find.

It's the missing missing reasons

I've always thought this was one of the most dangerous ideas ever to gain widespread acceptance, and we are currently seeing exactly why. If somebody's politics are so terrible that civil discussion is impossible, why on earth would you want to associate with them? This is how we coddle terrible ideas and let them quietly fester with a vanier veneer of false civility. The seeds of MAGA should never have been allowed to take root.

I am 44 and went from conservative to liberal. My parents always told me I would switch as I got older and that was wrong. What I learned was conservatives want three things: money, controlling people, and being allowed to say the quiet part out loud.

What amazes me is conservatives are "Christian" yet don't want to provide health care to people. I don't remember Jesus in the bible healing people then asking for payment later.

As it's also fondly called, the "Fuck you, I got mine" phenomenon.

I gotta say, I'm becoming more lefty as I age. I grew up with an emphasis on personal responsibility, self reliance etc. Those principles still ring true with me. But I have seen them twisted by conservatives to be used against individuals in the interests of the 1%, the corporations. Trump doesn't even pretend to play by the same rules. He has literally said "I take no responsibility at all" while as the president for things he was in control of. That's not a leader, it's a ruler.

I don't think age makes people conservative, I think power makes people conservative. If you accumulate wealth and power then you may become conservative in order to protect your wealth from taxes.

Just as others in this thread have said, it's the "fuck you, I got mine" attitude.

I’ve heard this multiple times and have very rarely seen it apply. Usually if they’re conservative in their later years, they always were. It just wasn’t as prevalent or talked about. I’ve been a lefty since I was a kid and have not deviated at all.

It’s like people that once supported Bernie now voting for Trump (they’re a strange anomaly but they exist). They were never actually liberal. They either voted entirely on vibes and feels, or they got swept up in the wave of others around them. Then eventually their true self surfaces.

In my experience, the loudest conservatives I've met have all fallen into 2 categories:

Explicitly "fuck you I got mine" I can at least appreciate the honesty with these ones.

And "I haven't read a book since 12th grade, and now I struggle to read at a 2nd grade level." And that's just performing the act of reading. Actual comprehension and critical thinking are completely beyond them.

The religious types are part of the equation too, but my area isn't particularly religious, so I don't often come across those assholes.

It could be "learning more about life and politics" or it could be "becoming senile and having a steady diet of FOX News, Facebook, and YouTube". Since higher levels of education are correlated with leftist politics, I'm betting on the second one.

I used to be more leaft leaning when young yes. Now I turned 40.... I'm feeling anarchist I tell ya... Burn everything stop oppressing no one should have power.

No, that's just one of those sayings that goes around. It's the assumption that people make more money as they age thus causing them to be more conservative. Maybe this was true in the 80s

When Trump won and starting talking about how unlikely it was, I half-expected him to break out into evil laughter ala Sideshow Bob in this scene. Which certainly would have been more honest.